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[Misc] On Tulpas—an essay about plurality in general and tulpamancy in particular
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Quote:Tulpas. A community with questionable ideas and goals, united by a mystical word. Dozens of people practising forcing, hypnosis, altering their consciousness, meditating, trying to cope with their disorders. They are united by a goal to create what Wikipedia calls “an imaginary friend”. But what are those tulpas?

Humanity tries to figure how consciousness works for a long time, creating and disproving hundreds of theories. Are some people more suited to be “multiples”, to house more than a single consciousness in their mind? Are others bound to be singlets?

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#2
Absolutely no comments... that's interesting.

Quote:A community with questionable ideas and goals
questionable? I don't think most reasons to make tulpas are or should be described as such

Quote:Dozens of people practising forcing, hypnosis, altering their consciousness, meditating, trying to cope with their disorders
I will note that, since I feel this is directed to people unfamiliar with the community, that "forcing" is very much so a word new people will not be familiar with. I will also note that "cope with their disorders" is quite unlike the others other than the fact it's a mostly internal process. I don't think it's fair to exclude a more positive outlook on this though, several people just want a friend to talk to a big titty monika gf.

Your introduction in general leaves me somewhat confused where this is going. I suppose I'm expecting tulpas to be explained through a lens of it's introspective qualities yet even that I'm unsure of.

Quote:Humanity tries to figure how consciousness works for a long time, creating and disproving hundreds of theories.
Humanity has tried* for proper tense. Figure out* or learn* would also probably flow better. The following two sentences also have very little to do with this topic sentence. I'm certain most assume singular is default, natural, etc.

Quote:Was that past you the same as the one that got to the shop?
I had feared from the two stories before this that this is where this was going. As based and redpilled this would be, such an assertion is as silly and absurd as the people who freak out thinking about split-brain patients showing how tulpas work. It's a misunderstanding of a perfectly explainable psychological phenomenon shoe horned into a plurality box. Just, now, instead of misunderstanding the importance of one's Corpus Callosum, these are mistakes based in a "woke" understanding of memory.

This theory further falls apart when you consider that most systems can remember things just fine, regardless of their status as host or tulpa. When memory issues come into play, it is Dissociative Identity Disorder, not tulpas. I would argue that just presenting this claim is enough to keep this from getting approved.

Quote:subconscious
I think you know roughly what I'd say here ;o

Quote:This brings us to what tulpas are.
It strikes me as unusual to not talk about this before talking about the process of a tulpa developing

Quote:remember—that one dies and gets re-created a thousand times a day too
noooooo. Your personality isn't really that much different than the rest of your brain: it's a pattern of neurons firing. By doing a particular pattern more, dendrite paths become more refined as someone gets older. It doesn't all whisk away and suddenly come back. This is why tulpas take time, your brain needs to get a new personality pattern in order.

Quote:tulpas have to be younger than the physical body, which creates a feeling of superiority for the host
This is unusual and deeply concerns me. I know you refute it but I feel like this line could be rephrased somehow to make it clearer that this is a typical pattern you observe or something along those lines. I also don't think the fact that tulpas are 2 weeks old really fully hits a lot of people, as most tulpas will act about the age of their hosts.

Quote:It is incorrect to see tulpas as lesser beings only based on them not being able to control the physical body, or preferring wonderland to physical world
tell those ableists! Joking aside, I think this paragraph could make it clearer that tulpas will eventually grow to be just as capable as you, if you give them the time.

Quote:any of those things require subconscious acting as there is no individual awareness involved. I suppose that the brain develops several subconsciousnesses for every individual.
The behavior you describe is almost certainly the work of the unconscious mind

Quote:There is one way the physical body can ultimately react to external stimuli, so which subconscious is involved is decided by the “fronting”—which consciousness was the last active one. Invoking actions from a distinct subconsciousness might reinforce the owning personality in mind, making it simpler for them to become self-aware.
um... what? I'm legitimately confused what I just read here.

Quote:few, if any, tulpas had to learn how to keep the balance while walking
Their* or a* would both be a better word here.

The entire next paragraph is on something about subconscious that I seriously cannot comprehend. If I, the psych student well immersed in tulpas, cannot understand it, I'm not so sure newcomers to this will be able to either

Quote:Whenever you practice tulpamancy for fun, loneliness or curiosity
I think you meant whether*

Quote:Becoming a multiple is a double-edged blade, and something you cannot unlearn—the practice stays with you, similar to the ability to ride a bike.
Well, you're not precisely wrong here, but knowing the practice doesn't stop you from dropping it entirely.

Regardless, in it's current state, this is not getting approval and would probably require massive overhauls if not a full rewrite to receive approval.
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Thank you for your submission. I may not be the most eloquent writer or reviewer, but I do intend to give your article a fair shot and approach it with an open mindset.

Quote:... A community with questionable ideas and goals...

Starting off with a slight negative doesn't have a good effect and makes it come off as something somewhat malicious due to the psychological nature of tulpas.

Suggestion: Change "questionable ideas" to "unique ideas." Using that word tends to set my mind into skeptical mode, which helps out your article in general. Perhaps adding a line about the controversial nature of tulpas and how they are created/utilized could help further the first paragraph in general. It's a solid hook, despite that.


Quote:Are some people more suited to be “multiples”, to house more than a single consciousness in their mind? Are others bound to be singlets?

A bit of a personal thing here, I always found "singlets" and "multiples" to be a bit of an odd term. Since this article seems to be focused toward those who don't know what tulpas are exactly, it might be a good idea to define these right there and then instead of proceeding to explain it. Check what I mentioned in regards to a line later in your article and my review, referring to how some actors create multiples with how in-depth they get into their roles.


Quote:You walk down the street, and your thoughts jump to something else, to the shopping list, then to the class assignment for tomorrow, to the game, you watched yesterday.

This is quite confusing, but I do like how it ties into the "scattered mess of thoughts" idea you bring up toward the end of the paragraph. I like it, though it can come off as somewhat messy to the average reader.

Change: "you watched yesterday" seems to tie in a show or the game, but I'm not sure due to the punctuation between the game and that statement. Putting "a show" or "a movie" will fix this.


Quote:Some psychologists consider consciousness to be interruptible

This is really interesting and I would like to read up on this. Perhaps a source could be referenced somewhere.

Change: Rewrite the first sentence akin to something like "Some psychologists consider consciousness to be a process that can be interrupted, not a  process that starts with your birth and ends with your passing" as it fixes the grammar. Feel free to use that sentence, if anything.


Quote:--Everything from my previous quote to "But for multiples the story is different."--

We have gone on what we call "autopilot mode," which is essentially what you described in this. Kind of not thinking and just "doing," like a low power state to not really use up a lot of energy. As I was reading this, I became a bit confused between what message was being conveyed, ranging from this autopilot mode and DID.


Quote:Multiples are common outside of the tulpa community. Writers think like their characters. Actors get so into their roles that their mannerisms change even after shooting.

This is a really solid example of multiples, and because of this, I think I understand what they really are. Despite that, it kind of summarizes a few of the past paragraphs in a bite sized chunk of information.

Suggestion: Make this the initial "point" of the section and build upon it, as well as move prior paragraphs around to help define it instead of leaving it for last


Quote:---The same paragraph after the line I quoted above---

I must admit, I'm getting a bit confused with the hopping back and forth between Multiples and DID. Once again, it all feels a bit fragmented.


Quote:"The key to plurality"  paragraph

Quite an eloquent paragraph. Good job.


Quote:...any tulpa can grow to the same mental level as a host, surpass, or even replace them.

I do think they can do both of the first things you mentioned, but replacing them entirely is difficult. I personally feel like if they're switched 24/7 they become the host, yes, but replacing them entirely essentially comes off to me as the person grew up or developed into someone they want to be. It's a bit weird to describe, and certainly controversial, hence I don't know how talk about it and about how I feel about this statement. I feel like since you mentioned tulpas are a mechanical response within your article, the brain adapts into that personality overall and shoves all the others away into the recycle bin. Bleh, I opened a can a worms perhaps, all while being confusing.


Quote:There is one way the physical body can ultimately react to external stimuli, so which subconscious is involved is decided by the “fronting”—which consciousness was the last active one. Invoking actions from a distinct subconsciousness might reinforce the owning personality in mind, making it simpler for them to become self-aware.

Hopefully this makes sense to me after reading it a few times. From what I gather, fronting is essentially conveying your tulpa on your body and your speech, therefore, causing your brain to make the tulpa the dominant thinker by tricking yourself.

Change: Revise this to be more concise. If what I interpreted is incorrect, do try explaining a bit further.


Quote:The "subconscious actions aren’t fully isolated" paragraph

This is a really, really good explanation for muscle memory and how tulpas can "merge" with the body through switching or possession. Anecdote: I was pretty alright at video games initially due to my reaction times, and my host's muscle memory helped out with knowing how to operate and manipulate controls efficiently.  There is an system-injoke that I'm better at him in video games, and I do stand by that.


Quote:walk-ins

I don't think this is a good think to get into. Honestly, I don't believe in walk-ins without any prior forcing. Sure, since you were able to create a tulpa your mind has access to creating other tulpas easier, but walk-ins come off more as kind of like a passing thought. It's as if the wonderland (assuming this happens in a wonderland) daydreams on its own.

Suggestion: Remove the walk-in section.Suggesting walk-ins subconsciously plants that thought in your head. The same can be applied for toxic in-groups/friend circles/tulpa servers that promote unhealthy practices, such as constantly being attacked by some sort of mysterious force or assuming all walk-ins are tulpas.





Overall, this feels quite fragmented. It's an okay article and introduction to tulpas for those with DID, multiples, and all that sorts of jazz who want to distinguish what a tulpa is and isn't. For a casual internet user or a so called "normal" person, it will probably make them scree and run off, ultimately dismissing it. I feel like changing a few things up can really solve it, but I would highly suggest a rewrite in order to make the article more clear and concise. In its current state, it's a good drawing board and an average draft that requires significant refining. You're on the right path and the have right mindset. I hope to see an ironed out version of this article that I can consider giving an official Clo Seal of Approval to.
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The heck is up with your opening paragraph? I skimmed a lot of the rest, it's probably fine (or at least others' advice above may be), but that opening is not okay. First of all, "Questionable ideas and goals" is pretty lame of you. But that's not my problem. "Dozens of people practising forcing, hypnosis, altering their consciousness, meditating, trying to cope with their disorders.", on the other hand, is enough reason to not approve this entire submission, and I don't know why it wasn't pointed out before.

You literally said later that tulpas are "mechanically created". It's not a disorder. You know it's not a disorder, so why did you say that? I'm not part of any other multiple/plurality communities, but I know full well they don't like mixing actual disorders and tulpamancy together. "Traumagenic" and all that. And believe it or not, we don't like people calling tulpamancy a disorder, either. Because it's not. A disorder must interfere negatively with your life. Being a bit mean might interfere negatively with your life naturally, but it's not a disorder either. So if you're thinking the potential for a tulpa-host interaction to upset them at any point qualifies it as a disorder, you're being ridiculous. Otherwise I don't know why you said that.

(Maybe, just maybe it was an incomplete sentence, and "trying to cope with their disorders" was only meant to be one of many things on the list applying only to people who have them - in which case it's worded horribly and still should be removed entirely to avoid giving the idea that tulpamancy is highly related to disorders of any kind)
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(03-08-2019, 12:33 PM)Luminesce Wrote: It's not a disorder. You know it's not a disorder, so why did you say that? I'm not part of any other multiple/plurality communities, but I know full well they don't like mixing actual disorders and tulpamancy together.
I'm not sure how you read that as me considering tulpamancy a disorder; that's obviously not the statement the opening makes.
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well based on how grammar works, it could be read that way.. it also seems really inclusive of every example given, 'cus I thought about adding an "or" at the end but then you think they're not necessarily doing all of them, but then that implies they all have disorders. almost seems like it needs an "and/or" lol

I didn't necessarily read it like that, but obviously Lumi did.. so it stands to reason others could too, right? can you at least add an "or"? or is it not really editable
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Your blog contains NSFW material on certain pages. The GAT may edit your submissions with a warning about the material, as a heads-up.

The two people (not counting Lumi since he wasn't a GAT member) who reviewed are no longer on the GAT, and since this submission is still up for review, we're not counting their votes. However, their critiques are still relevant nonetheless (as is Lumi's of course).

Anyway, on to the review

Content review
Quote:Tulpas. A community with questionable ideas and goals, united by a mystical word.
I don't know why you put it like that, "questionable" and "mystical." "Tulpas" aren't a community, also. This could use reworking.

Quote:Dozens of people practising forcing, hypnosis, altering their consciousness, meditating, trying to cope with their disorders.
I think it's more than "dozens," lol. Not sure why the "disorders" point was brought up.

Quote:They are united by a goal to create what Wikipedia calls “an imaginary friend”. But what are those tulpas?
This first paragraph kind of makes it sound like tulpas are a community trying to make imaginary friends, but you're actually saying that tulpas are imaginary friends. Wikipedia is inaccurate in calling tulpas "imaginary friends," and that makes this article inaccurate too. 

Quote:Are some people more suited to be “multiples”, to house more than a single consciousness in their mind?
Imo, it is inaccurate to portray multiples as having multiple consciousnesses. One consciousness, just different people to use said consciousness.

Quote:But what if I’d tell you that you’re unconscious even more often? Every time you are not aware of what you’re doing? Every time your thoughts drift away to imagine something that will happen in future, every time you remember good or bad memories of the past?
This isn't what "unconscious" means. If you were thinking, you were conscious, even if your awareness wasn't on what you were doing.

Quote:You stop being yourself for that little moment until you are self-conscious again.
This is kind of a weird portrayal of "being yourself," you're yourself even if you're not consciously aware of it.

Quote:Writers think like their characters. Actors get so into their roles that their mannerisms change even after shooting.
Sometimes, writers and actors are plural. Not always, though. I think this can be included as one way the brain can simulate different personalities, but not actually having different personalities.

Quote:People suffering from DID become self-aware only to know that their alters did something they have no memory about.
Confusing. They only become self-aware to do that? How is that being self-aware, anyway? Just seems like memory loss.

Quote:Tulpas are mechanically induced consciousnesses, that, for all means and purposes, have same capabilities than the original body-born consciousness (remember—that one dies and gets re-created a thousand times a day too).
Calling tulpas "mechanically created" is weird. As stated, I don't think tulpas are their own consciousness. It doesn't make a lot of sense to say that one dies and gets recreated, also. That seemed to be more like food for thought, not actual statement of fact.

Quote:The only thing that set tulpas apart is that they are created artificially via the tulpamancy practice.
I don't think "artificially" is the best word to use. Perhaps change to "later in life."

Quote:It would be unreasonable to ask a two-year-old tulpa to be a perfect hiker, even though they can relate to twenty years of previous host’s hiking experience—personal experiences are stronger and more efficient than ones of your systemmates.
This doesn't make a whole lot of sense, as the tulpa will inherit the same knowledge/skills as the host due to sharing the same brain. Only difference would be in the level of enthusiasm for it, really.

Quote:Many of those things require subconscious acting as there is no individual awareness involved. I suppose that the brain develops several subconsciousnesses for every individual.
"Subconscious" is bunk psychology, it should be "unconscious." Perhaps also change to "several unconscious processes for every individual."

Quote:so which subconscious is involved is decided by the “fronting”—which consciousness was the last active one
Confusing.

Quote:Tulpas evolve into the same unique personalities as hosts.
I know what you're saying here, but a newbie might misinterpret this as meaning they actually become the same personality as the host. Consider rewording.

Quote:They might be different in how they see themselves in the mind’s eye, the languages they talk to themselves in the head, but they are as capable.
Consider changing this to something along the lines of "They may have different ways of thinking and behaving, but they are just as capable as the host."

Quote:why some practitioners report walk-ins more actively after they create tulpas
I think that walk-ins are intrusive thought. Maybe you do too? That's not clear here.

Quote:and something you cannot unlearn—the practice stays with you
This is too bold of a claim.

Quote:when you limit your tulpas to cute anime girls that are bound to be nice and love you
Lmao, I really love this. However, a newbie might not get what you mean or what this has to do with your point. Perhaps elaborate or cut it.

Grammar review
You tend to put the comma/period after the quotation mark in a lot of sentences. The comma/period should come first, then the quotation mark.

When you list three things, it should be "x, y, and z" not "x, y and z," unless y and z are supposed to go together.

A lot of sentences start with "But." Some start with "Yet," "And," or "Because." Consider rewriting. Some sentences are not a complete thought, such as the first one, which is just "Tulpas." 

"But what are those tulpas?" Is confusing wording, consider rewriting.

"Humanity tries to figure how consciousness" consider rewriting to "Humanity has tried to figure out how consciousness"

The thought experiment paragraphs could probably have the sentences combined with colons and commas, rather than all periods.

"Every moment you become self-aware the brain" add a comma after self-aware

There's a lot of weird wording or punctuation errors, I don't really want to go through all of them. It's good to proofread one's work for such errors.

There is some good stuff in here, however it seems to miss the mark in a few too many places. The points about self-awareness, going "unconscious," and "subconsciousnesses" just feel way too off-base to me. Some stuff is inaccurate, like calling tulpas "imaginary friends" and the part about a two-year-old tulpa not being able to be a good hiker. The examples about going into one's house or going shopping don't add much to the overall point, in fact I'm not entirely sure what the overall point was. It needs more work, overall, before I'd be comfortable approving it.
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