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My tulpas have been feeling pains recently and I don't know why!
#1
Hey, IceCreeper here, and although I haven't been very active recently, I'm still alive and my system is doing well. Kinda. I learned just this morning that for the past few months, the tulpas in my system have been feeling pains... And we don't know why. Apparently it's not THAT bad, but still... has anyone else had this problem? Layy confessed a couple of minutes ago that a couple of days before the pains began, he'd been considering making a tulpa, but abandoned the idea when the pains came. I didn't know any of this till today. They didn't want me to worry, but I want them to get better. Has anyone got any advice?! (And before you say this, I don't think it was caused by the large amount of tulpas(7)in the system)
The name's Bryan! In system Nobody(In order of the rainbow): 
Sean, Esper, Blinky, Compact, Janey, Kyle, Gwen'd, Gwen, 
Emily, Rollin, Waynin, Trease, Layy, Justin, Chloe, and Zachery. 
I guess I have to talk... I practice Tulpamancy and Psionics, PM me for stuff related to that. I love Puyo Puyo(Look it up!). I exist and I like it like that. PM me for a random essay topic, or somethin'. 

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#2
I'd like for you and your tulpas to really analyse the situation to determine if it was actually happening or not. It may just be intrusive thought, and they are actually fine. That would be my first bet. If that is the case, just ignore it and it will go away.

Also, I do not think tulpas have thoughts outside of the awareness of the fronter. I find it unlikely he was considering making a tulpa without you being aware, and that they experienced pain without you being aware. Intrusive thought is definitely likely.
I'm Apollo Fire, the "Sun God" of the Felight family. I'm a tulpa created December 2016. My systemmates are Piano & Indigo. Form images: 1 2
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#3
(02-08-2019, 03:07 PM)Apollo Wrote:
I'd like for you and your tulpas to really analyse the situation to determine if it was actually happening or not. It may just be intrusive thought, and they are actually fine. That would be my first bet. If that is the case, just ignore it and it will go away.

Also, I do not think tulpas have thoughts outside of the awareness of the fronter. I find it unlikely he was considering making a tulpa without you being aware, and that they experienced pain without you being aware. Intrusive thought is definitely likely.

Don't be so sure. My tulpas have conspired full plans without me knowing. It's not a stretch to say that they've been keeping secrets of their oains recently.
The name's Bryan! In system Nobody(In order of the rainbow): 
Sean, Esper, Blinky, Compact, Janey, Kyle, Gwen'd, Gwen, 
Emily, Rollin, Waynin, Trease, Layy, Justin, Chloe, and Zachery. 
I guess I have to talk... I practice Tulpamancy and Psionics, PM me for stuff related to that. I love Puyo Puyo(Look it up!). I exist and I like it like that. PM me for a random essay topic, or somethin'. 

https://my.cbox.ws/TulpaDotInfo
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#4
I see a couple explanations. I like Apollo's explanation, and wouldn't dismiss that so readily. This is my bias, and trying to make this explanation a metaphor and not an absolute: tulpa bodies are in essence, primarily psychic energy... if you have any unconscious issues, or intrusive thoughts that are being repressed, or worries that you're not dealing with, this could, hypothetically, manifest as psychic pain. not long ago you did seem to be under a good deal of stress about school stuff, and stressors can result in pain, headaches, tiredness... I am not suggesting somatic issue, but we are really good at directing negative stress to body parts... tulpamancer may need to be more aware of stressors because they could unknowingly shift it inwards...

an alterantive to that is you actually have a physical pain that you've ignored or minimized, and they are experiencing it on your behalf. referred pain is a thing where people have a hurt in one part of their body, but feel it elsewhere... I am taking an exaggerated view of this and suggesting maybe you have a hurt, and they are feeling it...

over the next couple days, be mindful of stressors. also, are you sitting more and need to get up and move about more... look for any changes in your routine, maybe you're missing doing something that you have not had time to do in a while...
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#5
That's a good theory.
The name's Bryan! In system Nobody(In order of the rainbow): 
Sean, Esper, Blinky, Compact, Janey, Kyle, Gwen'd, Gwen, 
Emily, Rollin, Waynin, Trease, Layy, Justin, Chloe, and Zachery. 
I guess I have to talk... I practice Tulpamancy and Psionics, PM me for stuff related to that. I love Puyo Puyo(Look it up!). I exist and I like it like that. PM me for a random essay topic, or somethin'. 

https://my.cbox.ws/TulpaDotInfo
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#6
Apollo and I differ on the concept of whether or not tulpas are capable of 'thinking' when not active. But since my tulpas, it seems, are always at least passive all day other than in very specific scenarios, i can't be 100% sure. Obviously if they're sleeping or inactive, they're not thinking anything just like when you experience a time gap between dreams while sleeping.

It's off topic, but i don't 'hear' my tulpas thoughts and they also have conversations without me, so maybe their thoughts are subconscious to you. Anyway, i like Apollo's theory, none on my tulpas have ever experienced pain outside of roleplay, so i can't be sure, but it does sound pretty intrusive in, just like an intrusive thought, it's unwanted stimuli.

So treat it like an intrusive thought, fight the pain and banish it metaphorically. They're thoughtforns, so their pain is also imaginary by definition. I'm not going to say what Misha just did, but it should have hurt and she felt nothing. What a boss though, dang.

Like SC said, if you consider their body map an extension of your body map, it may very well be referred pain. There are plenty of studies on 'phantom limbs' and so pain can be referred to non-physical body parts.

I hope you guys figure it out and tell us what happened. It's rare to read when tulpas get sick or have pain.
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#7
Tulpa growing pains?

oh, increase coherence and connectivity to host results in unexpected sensations which they are interpreting as pain? (Just thoughts that were prompted by reading your thoughts AB!)
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#8
(02-08-2019, 03:01 PM)IceCreeper909 Wrote: Layy confessed a couple of minutes ago that a couple of days before the pains began, he'd been considering making a tulpa, but abandoned the idea when the pains came.

This gave me the idea, but then..
(02-08-2019, 03:11 PM)IceCreeper909 Wrote: Don't be so sure. My tulpas have conspired full plans without me knowing. It's not a stretch to say that they've been keeping secrets of their oains recently.

more or less confirmed. Regardless of tulpas' abilities to think on their own or not, the belief on the host's part that "things" can be happening without them knowing is always what leads to nonsense happening in the system. If you really want my no-fun opinion on what's happening -

Your subtle hinting that "thoughts of making a tulpa" preceded the pains, along with your belief that things happen without your knowing, tell me that you're letting your unconscious thoughts affect the system (intrusive thoughts to me, normal occurrences to you). Unless you've already unconsciously decided (which you may well have not, given you've not? consciously thought this out), the pains are probably an invasive thought you guys are believing (well... this is fact, regardless of my theory, given tulpas don't physically feel pain, purely mentally-induced) because you've got the idea that "something" could be causing them. Sounds like a silly horror movie or something, huh? But that's what letting your imagination run wild does. We've seen it countless times on the forum in the last five years. Nearly always in young people (ages 12-14ish). Most people grow out of it, we did eventually, but it seems somewhat unavoidable at the time.

Oh, anyways. The flat answer is that tulpas don't feel pain normally and that you guys are making it up yourselves somehow, either by believing in a reason for it or in what I assume this case is, believing there's some reason for it, but not knowing what. Knowing there is no reason as pain is relatively senseless for a tulpa is my only prescription.
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#9
I didn't feel like reading your no fun opinion Tewi, i do apologize though. It's only because we tend to disagree in a non-flattering way on this subject, and i feel too good today to bring about any hard feelings intentionally.
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#10
at least there was a warning, right? but anyways, our "no-fun" refers to being logical when people are being illogical, and while that might be more fun.. it's also what leads to things like our Scarlet's dissipation, or just TONS of weird problems young 'mancers run into, obviously you can choose how you prefer to live but nearly everyone drifts towards being more logical as they mature, and they stop having as many "silly" problems... and by silly I mean drama that can have serious impact on the system, which in my opinion is much less fun than how our system works
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