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[Narration] A Bit of a Narration Guide
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(12-24-2012, 09:14 PM)Purlox Wrote: Why do you think it's better to first do one of these before narrating?
It establishes the tulpa, and gives the host something to narrate to.

(12-24-2012, 09:14 PM)Purlox Wrote: Why do you think they should do it?
It builds language, and command over actual words helps the tulpa a lot come vocalisation.

(12-24-2012, 09:14 PM)Purlox Wrote: I asked few tulpae (I can't ask mine, because I don't do this with them) and they report that ranting don't feel as well as their hosts just talking to them.
More likely because the host stops talking to the tulpa during such a rant. If the host becomes distracted from the tulpa while talking under the influence of emotion - if it's that kind of rant - then it's easy to see how this could be detrimental. However, this is far from inevitable, and is simply a matter of focus. I, for one, rant all the time at my tulpa, and have done since the beginning, but there's no problem with it since I always rant to my tulpa, rather than just ranting. I'll add a bit into the main guide about this at some point; thanks Purlox.
12-24-2012, 10:34 PM
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(12-24-2012, 10:34 PM)waffles Wrote: and gives the host something to narrate to.
I guess it can help with that to some people, but you can simply use a name to make talking to your mindfolk easier. I know this is only a guide and you don't say that everything in it is 100% correct, but I think saying, that people need to have their tulpa have form, personality or believe that their tulpa is sentient before starting to talk to it, is an exaggeration that might hurt them because narration is useful at any point in the creation process. It's true that talking to yourself instead of the mindfolk might not be as helpful as talking directly to it, but just using a name to address your mindfolk works as well as imagining your mindfolk's form while doing it.

It's also possible to talk to your mindfolk without doing neither of the above mentioned stuff just by thinking of talking to your mindfolk, but I don't know how well a newcomer could do this.

(12-24-2012, 10:34 PM)waffles Wrote: More likely because the host stops talking to the tulpa during such a rant. If the host becomes distracted from the tulpa while talking under the influence of emotion - if it's that kind of rant - then it's easy to see how this could be detrimental. However, this is far from inevitable, and is simply a matter of focus. I, for one, rant all the time at my tulpa, and have done since the beginning, but there's no problem with it since I always rant to my tulpa, rather than just ranting. I'll add a bit into the main guide about this at some point; thanks Purlox.
It's possible that you are right, but I think it's also possible that the negative emotions aimed at your mindfolk during a rant can hurt or at least annoy them.

Have you asked your mindfolk for his/her opinion on this as they are directly affected by this unlike you and other hosts?
12-25-2012, 12:17 AM
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(12-25-2012, 12:17 AM)Purlox Wrote: I guess it can help with that to some people, but you can simply use a name to make talking to your mindfolk easier. I know this is only a guide and you don't say that everything in it is 100% correct, but I think saying, that people need to have their tulpa have form, personality or believe that their tulpa is sentient before starting to talk to it, is an exaggeration that might hurt them because narration is useful at any point in the creation process. It's true that talking to yourself instead of the mindfolk might not be as helpful as talking directly to it, but just using a name to address your mindfolk works as well as imagining your mindfolk's form while doing it.

It's also possible to talk to your mindfolk without doing neither of the above mentioned stuff just by thinking of talking to your mindfolk, but I don't know how well a newcomer could do this.
What I think is necessary is having some idea of your tulpa, and those steps aid that. I'll update the guide to clarify and include these things, though.

(12-25-2012, 12:17 AM)Purlox Wrote: It's possible that you are right, but I think it's also possible that the negative emotions aimed at your mindfolk during a rant can hurt or at least annoy them.

Have you asked your mindfolk for his/her opinion on this as they are directly affected by this unlike you and other hosts?
I don't believe in that 'negative emotions affect the tulpa negatively' stuff, and I said as much, I think. Of course I've consulted my tulpa on this, and they agree. It's not bad for a tulpa to hear you angry or frustrated; why would it be?
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(12-25-2012, 12:23 AM)waffles Wrote: What I think is necessary is having some idea of your tulpa, and those steps aid that. I'll update the guide to clarify and include these things, though.
Could you also clarify on why you think having an idea of your tulpa helps and also on how and what it helps?

(12-25-2012, 12:23 AM)waffles Wrote: I don't believe in that 'negative emotions affect the tulpa negatively' stuff, and I said as much, I think. Of course I've consulted my tulpa on this, and they agree. It's not bad for a tulpa to hear you angry or frustrated; why would it be?
Maybe not, but I think making a poll where mindfolk can vote and say their opinion could be interesting to see and let us find out if the mindfolk I talked to are an exception or not.
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(12-25-2012, 02:00 PM)Purlox Wrote: Could you also clarify on why you think having an idea of your tulpa helps and also on how and what it helps?
Is that enough? It gives you something to narrate to. Countless times are the questions asked: "I can't 'feel' my tulpa"; "Narration feels like I'm talking to myself" etc. This helps that.

(12-25-2012, 02:00 PM)Purlox Wrote: Maybe not, but I think making a poll where mindfolk can vote and say their opinion could be interesting to see and let us find out if the mindfolk I talked to are an exception or not.
Done; was that the kind of poll you meant?
12-25-2012, 02:28 PM
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(12-25-2012, 02:28 PM)waffles Wrote: Is that enough? It gives you something to narrate to. Countless times are the questions asked: "I can't 'feel' my tulpa"; "Narration feels like I'm talking to myself" etc. This helps that.
Seems good.

(12-25-2012, 02:28 PM)waffles Wrote: Done; was that the kind of poll you meant?
Yes, but I think it would be better if the poll was aimed at the person taking it (e.g. by changing "How does negative sentiment during narration affect a tulpa?" to "How does negative sentiment during narration affect your tulpa?"), if it was posted separately from the guide (probably in the research section), because the way it is now not that many people will notice it, and if there was an option "In some other way (post explanation below)" and "I have never done that, so I don't know".
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(12-25-2012, 02:49 PM)Purlox Wrote: Yes, but I think it would be better if the poll was aimed at the person taking it (e.g. by changing "How does negative sentiment during narration affect a tulpa?" to "How does negative sentiment during narration affect your tulpa?"), if it was posted separately from the guide (probably in the research section), because the way it is now not that many people will notice it, and if there was an option "In some other way (post explanation below)" and "I have never done that, so I don't know".

Only moderators and admins can edit polls, I think - avoids vote manipulation - so I added a note at the top of the OP.
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Just to make this clear, perhaps I'm a bit slow, but when you're narrating you don't make a response for your Tulpa, you just continue to talk to her/him/it?
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(01-25-2013, 12:53 AM)Riptide Wrote: Just to make this clear, perhaps I'm a bit slow, but when you're narrating you don't make a response for your Tulpa, you just continue to talk to her/him/it?

Correct. That would be parroting, which most would advise against. Your tulpa will, eventually, be able to respond on their own.
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(12-23-2012, 11:07 PM)waffles Wrote: Consistently address them by their name.

What if the tulpa doesn't have a name yet?
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