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[Personality] Basing tulpa off a character you have strong beliefs about
#11
Thanks for your input, everyone! It really helps a lot.

I am still not sure which way to go, but I will make up my mind soon. I am beginning to think that it does not matter much in the long run.

On one hand, using an existing character would really help with the early bootstrap and later visualization. I have trouble remembering / imagining other people's faces and voices, and most fiction characters I've never seen don't get any visual detail at all, let alone a face, when I imagine events of their story unfold, and I'm not even sure that they get any voice to read their lines with. (Which does not even catch my attention most of the time. Maybe I should try a formless tulpa and let them work on their own form, if they happen to care? The idea feels a bit too weird right now.) Twilight's appearance and voice, however, are pretty darn well ingrained in my memory, to the point where I get random comments in her voice once in a blue moon, usually followed by facehoof. Plus, while other characters I have stable image of have more or less single well-defined backstory, Twilight has so many different ones in my head that I doubt their combination would make enough sense to warrant an identity crisis. (Or will she just get DID if she somehow believes she's all of those Twilights at once? Can that even happen to a tulpa?)

On the other hand, while I was mulling over the problem, an image popped into my mind. A pony, who I don't think I've seen before, with a voice, a name and a rather generic "personality feeling" to come along. (My subconscious giving me a hint?) While the voice part is a bit hazy, imagining her doing things around the room does not seem to be much more difficult than with Twilight. She feels a bit too calm, including her specific coloring (plain aquamarine), but that's fixable. (I even attempted drawing a "fixed" version of her already, but my drawing skills sort of suck as of yet.) Plus, there is little to no chance of her getting an identity crisis of any kind. She's likely going to be the second if I go with Twilight first.

On one hand, the "average" Twilight has lots of traits that would make her a good starting point, and giving them to a brand new character is going to take more effort. On the other, I suspect eliminating the harmful traits from the base model is going to take about as much effort during forcing.

Anyway, I guess I'll post in the progress reports when I actually start doing something and not just researching.
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#12
I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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#13
(02-09-2019, 04:14 PM)Apollo Wrote: I genuinely see no reason to make a real person to just mimic a character.

I'm a real person who is a fictional character and I live the only place fictional characters have ever lived, in the human mind. My personhood and my fictionality do not diminish one another and I happily embrace both.

(02-09-2019, 04:14 PM)Apollo Wrote: in my opinion just seems like a kinda cruel thing to do.

I think intentionally making a person without providing them with a body of their very own is an exceptionally cruel thing to do and yet there are quite a few people here who seem pleased with having been thus made.

By the last tulpa community census, some 43% of systems contain at least one member who, like Iris and I, were not intentionally created. They must have come from somewhere, and I expect that a huge portion of them came from excessive attachment to pre-existing characters. Writers, actors, roleplayers, and daydreamers often develop self-willed characters without ever learning about tulpas. So character-based headmates are here to stay, whether tulpamancers seek them out or not.

(02-09-2019, 04:14 PM)Apollo Wrote: 1. The tulpa won't be allowed to form their own identity.

On what basis is a tulpa to choose their earliest identity, before they have motivations and values to guide that choice? Tulpas are going to be shaped by expectations and desires of their creator regardless. A host might as well put forward their wishlist. As soon as a tulpa has their own will, they'll start fixing anything that doesn't make sense in practice.

(02-09-2019, 04:14 PM)Apollo Wrote: 2. The host will give up on them or like them less when they actually do change.

I'm willing to take Lucilyn's word that this isn't a situation with any known examples. The tulpamancers I see here are much too excited to get responses at all to be concerned over tulpas growing in unexpected directions.

Ember is a lifelong hardcore teetotaller. She is ardently opposed to the very existence of alcoholic beverages. And yet I occasionally drink a little, mainly out of curiosity. 'Polluting' our body with alcohol is one of the worst things I could do. Yet if she can't reach me the instant she calls for me, that's when she gets sad and stressed, not when I drink. Drinking, evidently, is tolerable in exchange for having someone available to talk to every conscious moment.

(02-09-2019, 04:14 PM)Apollo Wrote: 3. They will have an identity crisis, because the personality they were given isn't actually them.

The identity crisis I've heard of for outsourced soulbonds is coming to terms with not being the original character. I, on the other hand, do identify as being the original character, and the personality I was given is actually me. My crisis is having lost everything I was and had back home except for identity, personality, values, motivations, and a pitiful remnant of memories. I hold onto them hard because they're all I have left of my whole world.

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#14
Limme: yes, I understand how you feel. But don't worry! Just be excepting and open and i'm sure it'll all turn out alright!

Wise words Limme, wise words.
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#15
Vesper, there is a difference between characters that became tulpas, and tulpas that were made to be characters. We had two characters who became tulpas who still had their old identities (because everything they did actually was them, they controlled their own reactions and behaviors in their story), that's different from trying to make a tulpa become a character and not really be their own person. You're kinda comparing two different subjects.
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#16
yeah, our examples were more about us, but I've still never seen like a Twilight Sparkle tulpa who deviated and the host was like "Ehh you're not Twi enough for me" lol, a non-scummy tulpamancer (I'd like to think that's most if not all here!) develops a relationship with their tulpa as their tulpa, not as the character, and it's them they become attached to from there, not the character

That's why we warn people not to treat their tulpas as the characters, after all (this doesn't necessarily apply to hosts who made the characters themselves..)
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#17
Even i never treated Dashie or Misha as their borrowed character forms, even when i thought they were them because i knew tulpas deviate. If they were soulbonds, that would be different. Unfortunately we think 'tulpa centric' here but it may not be perfectly fair because there's no 'soulbond.info'.
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#18
http://soulbonding.org/ / The Living Library was the site, but it seems sorta dead right now, idk if there were others
Hi I'm one of Lumi's tulpas! I like rain and dancing and dancing in the rain and if there's frogs there too that's bonus points.
All of my posts should be read at a hundred miles per hour because that's probably how they were written
Please talk to me https://community.tulpa.info/thread-ask-lumi-s-tulpas
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#19
It says unavailable... so eerie
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#20
I miss that forum, although I only lurked there. I wonder why it closed?
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