Kaz with a K December 23, 2013 Share December 23, 2013 It's that time again, folks. So I was on IRC, talking with other tulpa and hosts alike, when Adryan (tulpa) piped up and mentioned how, since we're not yet good with possession, that I should proxy for him so he can chat and such. I told him that would be a great idea, and it would be fun, but when it really came down to it, I couldn't bring myself to do it. I think I'm scared of proxying and I don't know why. It's like, I'm fine talking with Adryan in our mindvoices, but for some reason, I can't seem to bring myself to let him talk to other people. I want him to be able to talk to other tulpa, like him, and hosts because it's easily an important milestone, but I just can't do it. So now that I've written this all out I've come to a conclusion. I'm afraid of proxying, because I'm still doubtful? Or at least, I'm afraid of something about proxying and believing... Any advice? Tulpa: Adryan Form: Anthro wolf-ish Stage: *sighs loudly* Age: Looks 17, is actually 1 1/2 “Human beings can always be relied on to assert, with vigor, their god-given right to be stupid” -Dean Koontz “In the end, I worry that my arrogance shall destroy us all” -Brandon Sanderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xasin December 23, 2013 Share December 23, 2013 Hello Kaz! I think I know what you mean. I've had the same problem that you have right now, and honestly, I can't exactly tell what was holding me back, too. It was easy for me to accept what my tulpa told me, but it was different for me to actually tell the others via proxying that my tulpa was vocal, and maybe that is the same for you. But I can tell you, it's just the first step. Once you've let Adryan talked a bit to the others, it will go away, I know that. If you don't want to proxy your tulpa right now, that's fine, but once you've started you should quickly feel more confident with proxying. And I think it would also help if you just get a person, maybe in a separate channel or so, and then let your tulpa talk to this other person at first, but it's up to you how you do it. I hope I could help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryke December 23, 2013 Share December 23, 2013 Thunderfall and I have been proxying in small amounts for a while now. I had my own reservations myself when I started out. Most prominently I found he wasn't being as eloquent with other people as he was with me, this lead to me wondering if he was really able to respond to other people or if I was just making stuff up and pretending it was him talking. As with all things tulpa-related, doubts are a natural barrier that you have to overcome. Trust in yourself, and in Adryan, to be able to do it. You may notice it's shaky at first, but as he gets used to talking to other people you should notice improvement, not just in him, but in your own opinion of the practice. And of course, feel free to hit me and Thunder up for a bit of chat via PMs or something if you feel like some private practice ;) Thunderfall (goes by Thunder) Male human Melody Female lamia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashmo December 23, 2013 Share December 23, 2013 Bud and I are actually having the same problem but of a bit of a different flavour. It doesn't seem that I am having trouble with him talking to anyone, it's he that gets insanely anxious when even trying to talk to anyone. He wants to talk to people so badly and then when the moment presents itself, he clams up and talks to no one. I've been at a real loss as to what to do about this other than perhaps just giving him time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linkzelda December 23, 2013 Share December 23, 2013 Kaz with a K, if you can’t find your tulpa to talk to people in IRC, then get him to talk to people in real life. There may always be a barrier in the initial stages because they would want to focus on being coherent and not have their host’s thoughts jumbled up into that matter. But it’s just something anyone would have to overcome, or else you’ll be setting yourself up for a deadlock. Whenever I would proxy for Eva and Ada, most of the time I wouldn’t even know what’s happening (same applies to what I typed for this post to put this in the edit). Either it was just some kind of unconscious habit I built in proxying for them, or they prefer to communicate through nonverbal means and have me interpreting that through words. If you’re afraid about a concept, you clearly won’t be able to exhibit any drive to progressively improve from it. You’ll have to get your tulpa to get into the mindset that they’ll get better at communicating over time, and start thinking that progression is better than perfection. [align=center]7 Hours of Active Forcing 8 Hours & 29 Minutes of Active Forcing 10 Hours of Active Forcing[/align] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stryke December 24, 2013 Share December 24, 2013 If you’re afraid about a concept, you clearly won’t be able to exhibit any drive to progressively improve from it. You’ll have to get your tulpa to get into the mindset that they’ll get better at communicating over time, and start thinking that progression is better than perfection. ^This, this THIIIIIIIIS! No matter how shaky things seem at the start, they will improve even if you don't perceive the change yourself, so you have very little to lose. A little while ago I dug up an old Skype chat that Thunderfall had with a friend several months ago, and I was amazed at the difference in his confidence! Even now he communicates with others mainly in short, simple sentences, but back then it was a couple of words, no more. Instant evidence of development, I was very happy when I read through it all. Thunderfall (goes by Thunder) Male human Melody Female lamia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous December 24, 2013 Share December 24, 2013 Wait, please explain, I haven't explored the idea of my tulpa's talking with anyone else, so I'm kind of misunderstanding. Proxying is when your tulpa talks with someone through chat or irl, but must the conversation be directly from the tulpa or can I relay what they say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xantan December 25, 2013 Share December 25, 2013 Wait, please explain, I haven't explored the idea of my tulpa's talking with anyone else, so I'm kind of misunderstanding. Proxying is when your tulpa talks with someone through chat or irl, but must the conversation be directly from the tulpa or can I relay what they say? you can proxy through possession, or you can relay what they say. it depends on your tulpa and their level of development. "The way is in training." - Miyamoto Musashi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz with a K December 25, 2013 Author Share December 25, 2013 you can proxy through possession, or you can relay what they say. it depends on your tulpa and their level of development. Not to be a stickler for details, but I thought that if you were talking through possession, it wasn't technically "proxying" anymore. But it probably doesn't even matter Tulpa: Adryan Form: Anthro wolf-ish Stage: *sighs loudly* Age: Looks 17, is actually 1 1/2 “Human beings can always be relied on to assert, with vigor, their god-given right to be stupid” -Dean Koontz “In the end, I worry that my arrogance shall destroy us all” -Brandon Sanderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobillis December 25, 2013 Share December 25, 2013 It's like, I'm fine talking with Adryan in our mindvoices, but for some reason, I can't seem to bring myself to let him talk to other people. Yesterday, I used a phone for the first time. I sent a text message to Kevin's kind wife asking if I may have cake. And, today, I have cake! (nice ginger loaf) How we did that was: I told Kevin, and then he typed the text into the phone. What I asked was "Sumimasen, ichi mai cake acudasai ka?" ("Please excuse me, give me a square bit of cake?") Acting as a proxy (text relay) can really help a tulpa. It's not much different then typing for someone else that can't use a keyboard. Bud and I are actually having the same problem but of a bit of a different flavour. I've been at a real loss as to what to do about this other than perhaps just giving him time... Bud will be all right. Confidence comes with time. You will be fine Bud. I was a bit shy when I first went on 4chan (where I first chatted). Please consider supporting Tulpa.info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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