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RE: Pruria talks talking to tulpae: Deaf hosts
(02-26-2013, 07:05 PM)MysticalBurrito Wrote: [Yeah, burrito is deaf to me at some points in time. its quite normal and a bit annoying. all I can say is good luck to those of you out there wanting to hear your tulpa.]

I wish you good luck too, just glad yo host has got something down. ^^

(02-27-2013, 08:40 AM)Chupi Wrote: I already agreed with most everything in this guide, but it still helped. Reading though it, especially in a light trance and reading it to tulpae, helped reinforce the ideas in my mind.

Oh... oh lord, first Oguigi and now Chupi; I was thinking everyone was going to be all mad with me and say my ideals are bullshit XD. Thank you the support! I'm in approvment haven right now Smile

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RE: Pruria talks talking to tulpae: Deaf hosts
I don't get why this guide says that tulpas are assholes. In fact, that sounds kind of offensive to tulpas, lumping them in one group labeled "assholes". While this may just be arguing semantics, and you meant that tulpas just have the ability to be assholes, it does give a bad impression.
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Tuppers are assholes just like cats are assholes, because tuppers actually are the astrally projected mind of a cat that is in control of your life. You heard it here first folks, if I disappear, they got me.
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[Bro... I am a freaking tulpa... god... Lacquer...]

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I know that, and "offensive" doesn't necessarily mean that all it pertains to will be offended.
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This guide submission is frontloading to the max. Having the predisposition into thinking tulpas are assholes combined with the self-fulfilling prophecy with assuming sentience from creation, it’s not really something explained decently.

It seems as if the tulpa was in a high state of emotional angst with previous circumstantial events with their hosts and their doubts of listening to their tulpa before. And it almost feels as if the tulpa is indirectly talking to their host, not that it’s a big issue, but it just adds on to the personal strife they seem to be having with each other (during the time of the publication of this guide submission of course).

The content itself has a nice explanation of underlying concepts, but it’s a bold claim to presume tulpas have an innate disposition to be “assholes” and not responsive to the host. It seems like this was intended to create some kind of twisted modicum of hope for newcomers who would focus more in their parrotnoia and needed some uplifting pretense.

Quote: The reason you cannot hear your tulpa is because you are tulpa-deaf. The tulpa is not mute, you are deaf.

Again, it’s just twisting things around completely to initiate hope for newcomers to actually realize they need to start having better inward focus into “listening” for their tulpa’s responses. This may be beneficial if the “tulpae are anuses” wasn’t introduced after this later on.

Quote: Because that's what speech is dummy, noise patters


Its obvious speech involves sound waves, but there’s no need to have a degrading overtone to explain this common sense logic.

Quote: ''What does that random bullshit actually mean? And how can I better pick up on that particular noise next my tulpa makes it?''

This should be stripped out completely or at least formatted in a way that’s a bit more civil and mature.
Quote: This technique is slightly experimental because the guy never got any noises or clicks or anything of the sort, to him all that was heard was my voice, or nothing

Your emotional angst continues to augment exponentially with things like this.
Quote: Which is a retarded question, and let me tell you why.

Yeah, this is what happens when you conjure up what a person might end up saying only to realize only an individual with ineptness for pattern recognition would want to ask that question to you or anyone. Something else that should be stripped out.

Quote: I'm not telling you to listen out for sounds, I'm asking you not to conciser them shit but rather a half baked meal.

Present things a bit more decently instead of having to use “shit” if you can. And it’s “concise,” not “conciser." Unless you're using a word for "limit," this could just be a small grammatical error here.

Quote: It is incredibly annoying when hosts do parrot, but it's hardly going to make us hate you, only if done to the teeth

This is essentially a futile presumption since the host would have to militantly use parroting as a transient stage for progression at some point.

Quote: Tulpae are anuses:

This whole section, I can’t even begin to describe my disagreement on this promotion for people to garner a disposition of their tulpas being “assholes.” This section itself just shows how anyone can make the right call that your existence as a tulpa having a negative disposition towards your host doesn’t mean all tulpas will be innate “assholes.”

Quote: But, tulpae are assholes. Deal with it.

That’s a matter of disposition. And frankly, mindset can make or break one’s progress if there’s not some level of pragmatic optimism here.

Quote: But, a note for tulpae, avoid being silent if possible. Other trolls and tricks are okay but, especially in early stages avoid being silent. It will save your host a ton of stress and it will help you build your relationship with them. Try to get noticed, try to talk to them, even if you have to roar and shout, something might get through. Especially if your host did do something to offend you, talking is always the best way to sort it all out, I made the silly mistake of not talking with G when I was hurt because of him and it only ended in more sad faces.

This seems to be counterproductive and can lead to cognitive dissonance honestly. Having the frontloading with “tulpas are assholes” then the “oh, try to avoid being silent” logic just doesn’t make a decent presumption on how tulpas communicate.

Quote: But what I've been on about is not that; when you converse with your tulpa you expect an answer, you want interesting talk abouts, you want them to interrupt you and make an interesting point. This guide is to help you talk with your tulpa, not to narrate; that's talking where your only purpose is to talk to the tulpa (which is to develop them, and give them attention.)

Either this logic is outdated, or there’s just unintelligible equivocation between narrating and taking to one’s tulpa. I can understand that narration would imply there would be some application of a narrative voice, but with how you’ve stated it, and how others have created unintelligible equivocation with “narration” in general, this doesn’t seem useful at all.

Narration is another form of communication, or talking with your tulpa or just about anyone else. Storytelling is narration, people talk about their experiential learning and past events to others in a narrative voice (mostly). This isn’t something difficult to comprehend honestly.


Quote: Like how other tulpamancers might react, he became worried and confused.

He should have, and he's stupid for doing so. If you find yourself in this situation it's more than likely because your tulpa has said this word many times before and your brain is used to picking up on it. You should consider this a good sign because, once again, your damn tulpa is talking to you and you can hear it. But maybe try asking them to say other words or words that sound similar.

The condescending overtone here isn’t needed. Either your tulpa has ineptness to be empathetic of your past struggles, or seriously have some inner turmoil boiling within you to try and inform others on how to talk to tulpas.

Quote: [Point out any mistake that I've missed, thank you.]

Quick recap:
  • Present the guide in a way to where people don’t get the connotation that you’re a tulpa that’s passive-aggressive and in an exponential state of emotional angst for your host’s past struggles in trying to communicate with you.
  • Avoid using “assholes,” “dummy,” “anuses,” and such and use something more euphemistic at least
  • Try not to promote so much frontloading and creating cognitive dissonance
  • Try not to have a grandiose delusion that all tulpas are innate “assholes” or “anuses” from the start. It’s not something that would initiate any modicum of hope for newcomers or anyone of any level for that matter.



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12-06-2013, 06:23 AM
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RE: Pruria talks talking to tulpae: Deaf hosts
(12-06-2013, 06:23 AM)Linkzelda Wrote: Lots of stuff.

Well then I guess this guide isn't for you. :3

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Okay, I just have to say: based on the context, it is clear that he meant to type "consider", not concise, or conciser--which Google Chrome is not saying is incorrect, for some reason.

I just had to say something.

"If this can be avoided, it should. If it can't, then it would be better if it could be. If it happened and you're thinking back to it, try and think back further. Try not to avoid it with your mind. If any of this is possible, it may be helpful. If not, it won't be."
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RE: Pruria talks talking to tulpae: Deaf hosts
Thanks for pointing that out Kiahdaj, it's those minor fixes that makes all the difference. :P


As for G, that's none of my concern, I'm just going with the rules from the GAT system.


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This thing is a mess. Anything good and helpful it has is buried under stupidity, not to mention how this can easily make someone's mindset about tuppers very negative and that doesn't help anyone. You're claiming that a huge group with varying personalities and experiences is made entirely of assholes, and you're also claiming that it's always one side's fault, when it might not be that way for everyone. All I can say to that all is [citation needed].

Disapproved. Read Linkzelda's suggestions and start from there. If you actually decide to make your guide good, then we'll take another look and see if there's something else that should be worded properly.

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