Guest Anonymous April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 Is there a difference between a tulpa created by puppeting or parroting and one created by methods in which you narrate to them until they talk? If there is not any difference then why don't everyone use puppeting and parroting, even when its a shortcut and more fun than others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linkzelda April 25, 2014 Share April 25, 2014 I think narrating seems to be something others would prefer because they don’t have to bother imagining their tulpa’s voice, and setting up repetitive circumstances of implementing their voices into certain conversations with parroting. They just go through the motions, imply that they’re directing their declarations to their tulpa, and do it for a while until a breakthrough happens. Sometimes I feel that people confuse starting a conversation with their tulpa as parroting in some way. In other words, if they find themselves distracted, and needed to think of something to direct their awareness to their tulpas, they might think they had to manipulate what their responses would be. It’s kind of like listening to a person talking to you, and if you avert your eyes, and don’t show much attention, they might stop talking until they have your undivided attention. With tulpas, the logic is somewhat the same, and hosts may intend to have a goal to where their tulpa can still talk even if they direct their awareness elsewhere. This is probably what concerns people in general, because that’s probably something they’re striving for (tulpas talking under any circumstance if there’s something to talk about), which is probably what makes them cringe a bit with parroting. Now, for differences, I don’t think there’s any major distinctions, since they can all be used in tandem to further the conversation. Parroting could really just be trying to make small talk in hopes that more open-ended, and deeper discussion ensues. Narration can be used in tandem with visualization (e.g. imagining your tulpa being prepared for storytelling, past events, or even reading a book to them), and going through the motions through those implications may contribute to knowing how your tulpa reacts and engages with you for future attempts. I wouldn’t necessarily say parroting or puppeting would be considered a shortcut when doubts may be imminent at some point. But in your case, maybe you’re already cognizant to the idea that parroting and puppeting are merely transient modes of progress, and over time may contribute to a tulpa knowing how to respond without one’s conscious fixation on orchestrating a few responses here and there. If that’s the case, then feel free to get into that habit, but just know you’ll have to go through self-learning on when to stop, and just let them talk naturally of course. As for puppeting, from personal experience, once you imagine them doing something long enough, unconscious competence settles in, and they move on their own. [align=center]7 Hours of Active Forcing 8 Hours & 29 Minutes of Active Forcing 10 Hours of Active Forcing[/align] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous April 26, 2014 Share April 26, 2014 I used to attempt narration during day as passive tulpaforcing and parroting and puppeting during active. I had super fast progress to sentience. So I was just thinking why people spend so long time running after sentience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linkzelda April 26, 2014 Share April 26, 2014 For me, I did narration for both passive and active, and I guess it depends on what method(s) you use in general. For me, I considered image streaming to be a supplement for narration, since I would be describing something going on in my mind to them actively if I were to type and use my mind-voice, or physical voice, in a story like manner (e.g. chronological point A to B when you read what you experienced over again). But if I wasn't typing something down, and just imagine as I go, it would just be passive forcing for me. But during the active forcing, I wouldn't necessarily say I was parroting, or puppeting their movements, since I was just being aware of unconscious thoughts working in motion. The point I'm trying to get at is that active forcing doesn't always attribute into puppeting and parroting. Maybe it has to do with things on how long a person actively forces, because for me, if I were to get back into image streaming, and other techniques, I highly doubt I could do 3 or more hours of controlling my tulpas' movements. It really becomes more of an endeavor of just keeping up my awareness, and if I find myself being distracted, I just try to go back to the last point we were on, and just accept whatever motions come by. [align=center]7 Hours of Active Forcing 8 Hours & 29 Minutes of Active Forcing 10 Hours of Active Forcing[/align] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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