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I have always wondered this since I started lurking the forums.

How is it possible for anyone to create a tulpa in such a short period of time? This process is complex and intricate, and in order to create an advanced and independent thought form months if not years are needed. I hear of people having fully sentient tulpa within four days! How?! The only explanation I can think of is that these tulpa must be very rudimentary and poorly conceived. Any thoughts?

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Other than that these people likely have the active imaginations necessary to speed the process along, there are a multitude of possible explanations. Some people simply take longer to tulpaforce than others, we've known this for quite some time. Trouble is, we still don't understand why.

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Belief and past experience with similar things seem to have a huge effect. Those who spent countless hours in boring classes daydreaming stories in their heads should have a much easier time.

 

It appears that sentience is easy to get once you've learned how to not block its formation. Getting out-loud voice and imposition are rather more difficult, but again are far easier for those already used to focusing on imagined senses.

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There are lots of aspects of tulpa creation, and different people have different success rates with different ones. It's possible to just be really good at all of them, just like it's possible to be really bad at all of them, and everything in between.

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For most of these exceptionally quick people, they don't actually have a tulpa. Just a puppet. Or they're lying for attention. It was only until the idea was proposed somewhere that a tulpa could become fully formed within a week or two except for imposition that people began to have these extremely quickly created tulpae with supposed abilities surpassing those with much more dedication. For years the average expectancy for a fully formed tulpa was around 6-12 months on average. Once it arrived beaten and bruised at /mlp/ it was 6 months. Then with tulpa.info's creation, about 4-6 months. This can be explained by methods drastically improving as the phenomenon grew. But there is absolutely nothing that would warrant a fully vocal tulpa within a few weeks. And with the abomination that is /mlp/'s "tulpa general" threads, people are claiming to have fully imposed tulpae coming literally out of nowhere within a month or less. My prediction is that within a couple of months people will be claiming to have fully vocal tulpae within a single day.

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Chloe, my first tulpa, took around months and a half to go vocal.

 

Then I started to make Aigis 2 days ago.

Now she's already vocal, and seemingly sentient.

 

I'm very skeptical here (and as I typed "skeptical" Aigis is making a sad face, T-T) but is it possible for the second tulpa to go vocal at drastically faster pace?

 

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In my opinion, they're just puppeting. I don't see the benefit of attention whoring off of tulpae, but I do believe there may be from 5-15 people that are attention whores. (Mainly on the IRC)

 

However, these puppet-masters' tulpae may actually evolve into 100% vocal tulpae at some point without them knowing.

 

Then of course, there is always still the possibility that they are all ligit. That would mean that the insane, man-killing, ballpoint pen was real, and that the trash-talking, psychopathic belt-buckle existed as well.

 

 

I guess that's the price you pay for having a community about something like tulpae. There is no real way of proving if someone is lying or not.

 

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Like many people said above, it would probably be easier if you had practised something similar. This would of course go for complex fantasy etc., but would be most effective if you had already made a tulpa. As I'm sure anyone who has more than one tulpa could tell you, making the second is easier than the first. This doesn't just have to be from the tulpa's help; having practice in making a tulpa plays a big part too, I'm sure.

 

As the forum grows, and the number of people who have successfully created a tulpa grows, then it is inevitable that methods will become better; I know that the guides I started from are somewhat different from the ones now. As well as that, the answers to questions such as 'what should I narrate about' become more complex and more helpful, thus speeding the process. I started my tulpa around the start of August, and she was reasonably vocal with mindvoice in about 10 weeks. That said, it's been 4 and a half months and I'm still nowhere with imposition, but that's besides the point.

 

I think there also may be some confusion about 'vocal', and whether or not this construes auditory hallucination. Besides that, I'm sure there are people picking up emotional responses that aren't there, or thinking they hear their tulpa when they don't. A few months of 'of course it's your tulpa' in the Q&A probably served to encourage this.

 

That said, I am skeptical of really short times. While it's very counterproductive to call people roleplayers, it's probably quite prevalent; the motivation isn't all that hard to see. It doesn't have to be all-out, but people could distort facts. Someone saying that their tulpa is fully vocal when the tulpa is barely sentient is - to them - far more acceptable than outright lying about their tulpa's existence. It's definitely something that should be considered when looking scientifically at creation rates, but not something that should really be brought up in regular discussion.

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I think that both experience and belief play the biggest role. At the beginning you have no personal experience so you can only rely on belief.

 

If I started the process of creation with the knowledge I have now, it'd take a month, maybe one and a half to get to where we are.

 

The greatest barrier is turning the belief into knowledge. Once you have gone through creation, it may be possible to create another tulpa in a much, much shorter amount of time, because you no longer believe that the existence of something like a tulpa is possible, you KNOW it. Add experience and positivity to the mix.

 

I can tell you that I fully believe in my Tulpa, and everything we have done turned into knowledge. But even now there's a tiny part of me that has trouble with accepting some concepts, like an audible voice, touch, etc. It's very hard to catch, but it's there. I don't know if I should view it as something that's hindering the process. I think beating this hidden disbelief IS a large part of the process of creation.

 

So it depends on your ability to coerce your mind into accepting something new. Of course both you and the tulpa need to learn a lot of other things. So it takes time. That's why a fully sentient, developed tulpa in 4 days is insanely difficult (if not impossible) for me to acknowledge, if it's the first tulpa and the tulpamancer is completely new to the concept.

 

My prediction is that within a couple of months people will be claiming to have fully vocal tulpae within a single day.

 

I mentioned tulpae to two of my friends, they showed great interest so I explained everything I could to them. Next day one of them claimed that he has a complete tulpa (audible voice, visible form, full and complex sentience, touch, smell, etc.), and that the tulpa basically created itself within a dream.

 

After a week or so, the second one said he achieved sentience (or should I say learned how to perceive it?), and had an audible response. After a total of 3 hours of forcing over 2 days.

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