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(07-04-2014, 05:44 PM)zerofox21898 Wrote: Sorry, but yes there is.

http://www.psi.uba.ar/academica/carreras...al/dsm.pdf

That looks to mean that they would not diagnose you with a personality disorder before the age of 18; not that you cannot have one--and yes, there is a difference between those two things.
If you notice, as part of the requirements for diagnosis, they are looking for symptoms that would be indicative of a personality disorder that began at a younger age. You're not magically allowed to be a psychopath once you turn 18; they are trying to be safe, and avoid over-diagnoses, I would guess.

"If this can be avoided, it should. If it can't, then it would be better if it could be. If it happened and you're thinking back to it, try and think back further. Try not to avoid it with your mind. If any of this is possible, it may be helpful. If not, it won't be."
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(07-04-2014, 05:44 PM)zerofox21898 Wrote: Sorry, but yes there is.

http://www.psi.uba.ar/academica/carreras...al/dsm.pdf

The diagnosis of personality disorders is very controversial, they are many studies being done about behaviors in childhood and adolescence that could be taken as signs of a personality disorder, I won't start looking for links, you can google it if you want, there is no treatment for this kind of disorder in adulthood so some scientist hope that they could be prevented if proper action is taken when the first signs start to appear.

Even then many others psychologists and psychiatrists think that personality disorders aren't really a illness but just the way some persons are, of course in the case of antisocials this way of being is potentially dangerous to others and needs to be monitored but in the case of schizoids for example its just putting a label where one isn't needed.

Putting that aside the fact that OP identifies as a sociopath at 13 years old means that s/he feels somethings is "different" about himself, this could be just a teenager phase, maybe he just wants to feel special, maybe not, maybe he is depressed and the emotional numbness this causes makes him think he doesn't have feelings, maybe he has some other kind of disorder or maybe he is on his way to magically becoming a sociopath at age 18, the only thing I can say for certain is that shaming him for this doesn't help at all.
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(07-04-2014, 06:18 PM)Kiahdaj Wrote: That looks to mean that they would not diagnose you with a personality disorder before the age of 18; not that you cannot have one--and yes, there is a difference between those two things.
Of course, but still, it's in there for a reason. At the very least, this proves that he wasn't diagnosed by a professional. It was very likely a self diagnosis and by a 13 year old, I might add. Sorry to be rude, but someone has to say it because we all know it. You aren't a sociopath (actually anti-social personality disorder) charming sociopath.

(07-04-2014, 06:51 PM)OCDHost Wrote: -snip-
Believe me, I know about ASPD. And yes, it's controversial, but this is the diagnostics manual and is pretty widely accepted.
(07-04-2014, 06:51 PM)OCDHost Wrote: the only thing I can say for certain is that shaming him for this doesn't help at all.
You're absolutely right about that. I don't know why I'm keeping this going but I am. I guess I'm bored.

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You do have a point that he was most likely "diagnosed" by himself, or by someone else who is not a professional.
That said, to dismiss the possibility and not offer any help is not exactly called for.
On one hand, he may not be a sociopath, or is simply lying. If this is the case, then the worst possible outcome is that you will have wasted a few minutes of your day to give him an honest answer--which, might I add, could potentially help someone who actually is a sociopath, who later reads this thread.
On the other hand, though, he may indeed be someone who is dealing with similar symptoms as those who have been diagnosed. If the only answer you give him is that of disbelief, then he may be left without any help in the matter.

The moral of this story is that you might as well just answer people's questions. If you want to throw in a bit of healthy skepticism, and suggest that he might not be a psychopath, or that he's too young to have determined something like that for sure, then that is fine--it is true, after all.

"If this can be avoided, it should. If it can't, then it would be better if it could be. If it happened and you're thinking back to it, try and think back further. Try not to avoid it with your mind. If any of this is possible, it may be helpful. If not, it won't be."
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RE: sociopath

Being a sociopath cannot be medically confirmed until the age of at least 18, but sociopathic behaviour can appear earlier, as far as I am aware. This may pass with time, but not always. Since being a sociopath isn't considered a good thing, saying you are one isn't the best idea though, I suppose. Even if you are one.
(Sorry for that rant-like rambling up there, guys. Certainly not trying to offend anyone, just in case. I'm really bad with people. )
I think it is safe for a sociopath to create a tulpa ( they are actually capable of getting along with other people), and it could actually serve as a form of potential therapy.
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(07-03-2014, 02:02 AM)Kiahdaj Wrote: Let's not turn this into one of 'those' threads.

It is true that children like to make such things up, but there is no reason that a 13-year-old could not be a sociopath.

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I agree. Anyone who is found to be one at 18 doesn't suddenly turn into one as soon as they turn 18. They already were. Critical thinking.

I don't think OP is a sociopath because he's asking if it is okay. Sociopaths don't care or even have a sense of "okay." Everything and anything is okay to them, as long as it doesn't hinder or harm them.

OP, I say go for it.

- I'm reading he diagnosed himself. This reminds me of people asking questions such as, "Help, I think I'm a sociopath, what do I do?" It's sort of a contradiction.
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I don't think this thread was intended as a debate if the op is a sociopath or not, I think it was intended to answer his question.
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Precisely. Though I wouldn't go as far as saying they lack a sense of right and wrong, I think that here the question is the answer. Yori, thank you for wonderfully clarifying that.
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