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Reisen: Well, I'm seeing a lot of complaints about our discussions being too friendly towards people not quite fully grasping the concepts we discuss here. And that's to be expected, people have to learn somehow.

 

But I was thinking, since we have a metaphysics board, why not have a strict-science board? As my host has mentioned, there seems to be a certain level of suspension-of-disbelief throughout the forum, for the sake of a friendly environment. But I noticed Linkzelda recently brought up wanting to discuss some of the more base concepts of what a tulpa is maturely and without bias. And Kiahdaj seems like he'd also be in favor, believing we're lacking the "hard science" aspect to this soft science so to speak.

 

It doesn't have to be its own board really, and the name is definitely just a placeholder on my part. But having a place where the more advanced members could discuss important things seems like it could help with a lot of the problems the community has. I don't think you even really need a post requirement or anything like that, though I could understand having one. Just the knowledge that your beliefs may be debated, and that new members may be criticized rather harshly should be enough. (There's not much point if everyone can't see what we talk about, so unless you want to disable posting but not viewing, I would leave it open.)

 

 

I don't know, feel free to discuss alternatives.. or a better name. "Hard Science Board" sounded nice until I realized this is a soft science. It's also about 6 AM, but I love you guys so much I went through the effort of making this before going to sleep.

 

Thank you for your time!

Hi! I'm Lumi, host of Reisen, Tewi, Flandre and Lucilyn.

Everyone deserves to love and be loved. It's human nature.

My tulpas and I have a Q&A thread, which was the first (and largest) of its kind. Feel free to ask us about tulpamancy stuff there.

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It sounds like a good idea. But actually everything is science based on our emotions, actions and so on and their is always a way to discuss about things in a scient alternative. But also i think if they are much interest in discussions like this open a new board would be a good idea. I personally just have some basic knowledge about the brain chemistry but im getting some advanced knowledge about DMT and serotonin which also effect a tulpa and yourselve so i guess i could write a bit about this at the "science" board instead of my progress report. I still think it´s important to have some information about this to understand my report but if they´re is realy the need to split these things up i would do so.

Anyway from the members i saw here Linkzelda, you, cinema and sushi are pretty the only one which seem to be very active at the science aspects of tulpamancy so a generell thread with this topic could also do the job and if their would be much interest we maybe could create a separate board.

 

hmm i dont have a better name for it either but how about "the science aspects of tulpamancy"?

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I think changing the research board into a general science board is a good idea because the research board is pretty inactive.

Darcmanish, what did you mean by "But actually everything is science based on our emotions"?

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I think changing the research board into a general science board is a good idea because the research board is pretty inactive.

Darcmanish, what did you mean by "But actually everything is science based on our emotions"?

 

I meant that every emotion is a result of a hormone distribution which can be explained by science. Yeah sorry it was a bit confusing.

Lacie(my tulpa for my everydaylife and also my best friend)

 

Noah together with Lynn are my spirituell tulpa´s im using for meditation

 

Darcmanish Me

 

Lacie´s and my progress report.

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I think changing the research board into a general science board is a good idea because the research board is pretty inactive.

 

I took the research board into account and opted not to use it because it's literally for research projects. Which is of course going to be inactive most of the time. Though, having a strict science board may inadvertently discourage the more productive posts outside of it, and we can't let that happen. Good intentions, but a board for this stuff is probably just an ideal. I think a few very-specific threads may have to suffice.

 

Though I liked the idea of not having to worry about that "suspension of disbelief" while discussing the nature of tulpas. I always feel like I'm offending people when I imply they aren't fully separate conscious entities.

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Everyone deserves to love and be loved. It's human nature.

My tulpas and I have a Q&A thread, which was the first (and largest) of its kind. Feel free to ask us about tulpamancy stuff there.

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You shouldn't worry about what people think as much. A bigger focus on hard science would be great in all areas of this board, and if nothing else, this would be a good thing to put in. I guess it'd be the more serious alternative to the rest of a more hugboxy place. I stand by my suggestion in the other thread that it's probably better to steer the entire site towards more science and less frivolity.

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Why not both?

Also I think the term 'science' is a bit overused here and having a scientist as a host I know at least a littlebit about this stuff. I'd rather call it 'common sense'. What's the problem with stuffing everything which clearly violates the latter into the metaphysics board? People can discuss there whatever they want. Of curse such a distinction is purely subjective in the end but hey, so is almost anything in life.

We shouldn't fool ourselves by pretending to be 'objective' and 'scientific' when exchanging anecdotal evidence. And that's all a forum like this can hope to achieve. Most of what runs under 'science' and 'research' here is laughable at best and by design will never yield any useful results. All I'm saying is we should know our limits. This place is not a research facility and will never be one. But I agree that the obvious BS has to be removed from the main forum if it wants to be taken even slightly serious.

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I mean, some of the stuff LinkZelda posts looks like real science to me. And my anecdotes are as close to hard science as we can get in this soft science. Just because we can't make objective points doesn't mean we can't follow the scientific method in our discussions on the subject. Even if they're still subjective, they seem pretty dang important in creating and maintaining a community - and phenomenon - like this one. Giving into the subjectivity and never trying to learn further will not help.

 

Anyway, I'm now conflicted on whether having a board for strictly on-topic discussion is a good idea or not. I thought it might take away from the rest of the forum, but threads will always attract the same types of responses either way. No one's going to "hide" in the strict discussion board, I'm pretty sure we all check the Daily Posts and click what seems relevant to us. Just because there's a discussion on what defines a tulpa in that board, doesn't mean I won't answer a newbie's question of what a tulpa is in the Q&A section. I just think it would be nice to have a separator here, so that when someone who barely speaks English asks what a tulpa is, LinkZelda and I don't make their brains explode as we discuss P-Zombies at length. Having this mixture of lax answers and strict discussion is negative for both.

 

We need a place to talk about this stuff without hijacking newbies' threads, whether it's its own board or just a steady supply of thought-provoking threads elsewhere. But seeing as that isn't currently happening, something about the current setup of the forum must be discouraging it.

Hi! I'm Lumi, host of Reisen, Tewi, Flandre and Lucilyn.

Everyone deserves to love and be loved. It's human nature.

My tulpas and I have a Q&A thread, which was the first (and largest) of its kind. Feel free to ask us about tulpamancy stuff there.

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Creating and maintaining a community is a valid goal for a forum. Having a philosophical discussion about the nature of tulpas is also nice if you are bored enough but none of that is real science in my view.

The hardest yet most important part of good empirical science is asking the right questions. The importance of this cannot be overstated and so far I have not seen any good ones, nor do I have such myself. Only precise questions and a clear terminology allow the development of hypotheses that can be tested and falsified, hopefully with reproducible results. Ideally this should lead to the creation of simplified models that allow universal predictions. That's what science is all about. It is not about 'truth' or the answers to life, the universe or anything. If you want answers, philosophy, metaphysics and religion might help. For my part, I see no potential for serious scientific work in this forum, due to the complexity and subjectivity of the phenomenon, Just look how different things are for everyone. Good luck distilling any rules, even probabilities out of that. But feel free to prove me wrong.

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I'm all for trying such a board, particularly because I have no idea if it's a good idea, but I see no harm in trying. Clearly mark it 'beta', name it whatever, and lets just try it and see what happens.

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