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Quote:You're again using the terms all over the place. First you say a tupper doesn't become the host, now you do except they doesn't? What?
I said already that the tulpa does not become the real host because the host is still the host, but they enter the position of the host. They become a temporary host unless you switch permanently.


Quote:Muscle memory is a part of possession (which I am using to refer tupper in control of the body, no matter if it is just possession or also a switch, which is a host skill entirely), so that's nothing new. However, it's not instantaneous, so it will always take time. Some are faster but some are slow, so it's silly to keep saying this is the fast method when it all apparently depends on this, which is a skill to be learned, not a given. People can have success with anything but you always have to use your brain to see if you wish to believe what they are telling you. I only got my experiences, but there's people I trust who are able to do this and when our experiences match without having told about them before, you know there's a connection, even when different methods have been used.
Firstly, the tulpa is obviously involved in possession so its absolutely not a host skill only. Its mostly a host skill but you cant do it without a tulpa that knows the skills to do it. Its true that possession also uses muscle memory, although switching is more reliant on it. Ive already said probably more than once that its not always going to be instantaneous, however it will be smooth just like a human controlling his body, at least after they get it down with practice.

Quote:Again, everything is working towards the same goal, so there is no wasted time. If they can't do something now and instead work on something different for a while, coming back to the previous thing they had problems with will be easier. Possession and switching are connected as they are more or less the same thing but with a different state for the host.
Let me put the case, if you can do thing 1 in 1 hour or 2 hours, if you do the 2 hours then you wasted an hour because you can do it in 1. I by all means consider this as a form of wasted time. You may treat it as one of those fancy little opinions if it makes you happier. Possession is related to switching, however its more than a state of mind difference for the host, its a LARGE state chance for the host and the tulpa too

Quote:I wouldn't know, but again, it all just sounds like symbolism. That's fine and dandy, really, as it can work really well and your brain does work on the whole if x, then y kind of way, even if you only think so. That's how tuppers are created too, after all. We believe they are there so they are. Again, you wouldn't know what is slower to others and what isn't. Calling your own method the fast way when everyone is so different doesn't exactly work. It's not possession I did by accident, either. I don't think you're reading what I write, again. How about you read over what I said for the second time. I never wrote down what I meant but I thought us talking about switching makes it pretty clear what I implied, as you called a switch through possession slower and harder, which I said I never found to be the case.
I assume that a method that is designed to be sped up with the dominance switch would be faster than one that isnt. Ive also had people telling me that theyve had solid results the first day with my methods too. Its, as i hear from others at least, faster than learning to possess first, because people i talked to couldnt figure out how to possess as well as they do now before i told them to dominance switch. You wrote about possession and switching. then mentioned how you did something by accident, i cant read well what isnt clear.
Quote:Don't assume things. I'd say it's the most natural thing that can happen.
Im not assuming Sands, i said that is what people have said and not my personal opinion

Quote:I wish I could understand what you are saying here. It's only a switch when you are not paying attention to the body, so are you saying you do in fact first possess before you slide into a switch? I have no idea.
When you leave your body the tulpaes gain gradual control, at least for me i havnt heard others results on this part, and you can pay attention to the body, like look at it from your temp body, you can interact with your body you just cant pay attention to it using your own body. You can possession into switching or you can skip possession if you are able to do switches without it. This guide can be applied to either however, by skipping the possession step.

Quote:That is referring to the earlier picture I posted. While possessing, you can be on any of the "levels" you wish to be. You want to feel the body, sure, go ahead. But you can also choose not to. "Barely even aware" weas referring to the body's senses, which is probably what threw you off. When you aren't aware of your body's senses, it is easy to make imaginary ones that feel very real.
That is what i was referring to, but our method is not the same so you shouldnt assume so, there are some differences between the results, and levels if you would like to treat mine with levels. It might help but you dont need to desensitize if you can jump consciousnesses.

Quote:As far as I know, we both have defined switch as not being aware of the physical body, not seeing through the physical eyes and able to feel imaginary senses very vividly, making wondeland adventures more life-like and fun. That at least is what I mean when I say a switch.
You dont sense your sense from your physical body, however you can interact with it, meaning you are aware of it like youre aware of how it moves. My switching definition is then the host is in a temp body state and the tulp is in host status. There are many overlaps between our definitions though its not 100% identical to e/o

Quote:I very much see it as symbolism and like I said, it's not exactly a bad thing. But it's not required either, just something you can try out and if it doesn't work, then hey, it just doesn't. Then that kind of symbolism just doesn't work for you, but if it does then great.
Not required but it makes the entire guide extra fast and easy (easier at least.) If you like treat it as symbolism, i have no reason to debate that, but symbolism or not, there has been success using it, so it works absolutely.

Quote:Yeah again hard to believe there. I think I'll take the words of people I trust over some new guy who just suddenly popped in and started claiming wild things without actually having anything revolutionary up their sleeves. If you are speaking the truth, we can just hope this isn't a unique case just to you so it will help more people. Some people here are just too different so their things don't work for the others, but I guess we all like to believe there's nothing special about us, huh? Again, sorry, but not exactly buying it.
If it helps your logic the method in the guide is not our method that we used, we asked other people to try our method on the irc and we changed it so that it is understandable and comprehensible to other people besides me, ive covered this problem.

Quote:Near who? My tupper? Would be a male. However, why would I be near him when I'm switched? If I wanted to see what he's doing, I would be doing possession and looking through the eyes with him. If I want to switch, it means I want some me time doing whatever and relaxing or adventuring or whatever. I don't see why anyone else who is able to switch would switch and then just stand around there paying all the attention in the world to their tupper, especially if it's their first few times doing that. With your method it seems like it would also be the first few times for the tupper to be in control of the body, so couple that unfamiliarity with a host who is nowhere to be seen and accidents will happen. Like you (and I) said, accidents happen to everyone, yes. But we are now talking of a being who in worst cases is only a few weeks old, maybe and in a strange body. Accidents will happen, more like. Be there for the tupper early on, that's what I meant with building trust. It's pretty stupid to leave someone alone for the first time unless you are sure that they can do it, and it's stupid to assume they can do it when you don't actually know, so you should make sure things are alright first.
Its like how tulpaes want to be near you normally, they sit by you, its the same idea except the host wants to be near the tulpa. Im not sure if you have an intimate relationship with Rosewell, so it might not be the same, although my #1 first time switching she was on the computer while i watched her from the bed, relaxing against the wall behind it, Id rather be with my tulpaes than be by myself alone in a wonderland.

Quote:But you are calling this the fast way. How fast would this be if it still takes the tupper a while to gain access to that muscle memory? Body is still a body, sure, but a physical body and an imaginary body feel very different, even I can say that. The other is much lighter and doesn't require muscles to move. It's not a car changed to another car like you are implying, it's changing a car to a plane.
The muscle memory is transferred within the steps, because giving them the the control, leaves them in the body so the muscle memory is attached to the irl shell theyre controlling. We are talking about 2 methods with 2 results so its understandable that the results arent the same. We described how we felt it and you did too. Our results are described by the 2 changing cars, however if it doesnt apply to someone elses result that is a-ok, again were describing what we felt was the case.

Quote:You and your speedmethods. There is no one method that is fast for everyone and you just can't get that idea, can you? Everyone is different. What is slow for one is fast for someone else, you can't say way x is the best and fastest because that just plain isn't true. Anyone claiming that, yeah, I avoid their guide like the plague.
I didnt say that, but in a group of x people, if one method works faster than some other one for a lot of the people in this everyone ive heard from except for you and Averian, whom switch before this guide, then i would consider it as a faster method because of that logic. I never said that its faster for everyone though..

Quote:I don't see how some of my replies are pointed to your guide when I keep saying "not about your guide", "not to the person who wrote the guide" or "this is for the readers". Even then, you seem to ignore those words and keep talking like I said something about your guide, which I didn't. That is why I'm suggesting English isn't your strongest language. Me calling bullshit though is me calling bullshit, that's simple enough. Even then, I am mostly calling bullshit about your stories, not necessarily your guide, if you read closely. I believe others will be able to read all of those words I am not diecting to you and notice it, even if you have been unable to.
Our latest case of you directing something at my guide is that you would avoid the guide like a plague. There have been other such comments in the posts before you started saying anything like "Its not directed at your guide" in your words. EVen if you will say that, most people can read beyond the words and find things directed in the direction of my guide, hide them or not, they really do feel just like sugarcoating things that are directed at me and the guide is how i honestly do see it here.

Quote:I don't think I'll be getting much more out of this, so I'll put in some finishing words for the readers and possible users of this guide. The guide seems to have some symbolism that might potentially work very well for you, so there's that. Especially for changing body control, I am not seeing the switch part of this guide, but I can see how it could be useful for possession if you are having trouble. And possession, like I have said many times, is working towards a switch, so you will get there. However, be careful, as no previous experience with the body from the tupper can lead into big accidents if you just leave them alone without thinking. So always, safety first. And if you think it's not working for you, then don't be discouraged. There just absolutely is no way that will work 100% for anyone or a method that is always faster than something else, so anyone claiming such is talking out of their ass.
It will help switching too, regardless if you can see how or not, even though its explained. And yes it will not work for everyone, but it will probably help your speed, even by a little, for most of the people reading. That is what i am saying overall.
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Oh nevermind, seems that testing is that Quetza whatever guy from IRC who is possibly Alba and all that jazz. Pretty good, but you spent a bit too much time in this and day one switching, really? That doesn't make anyone take you seriously. That and the whole bad English and constantly failing reading comprehension, it gets old. Rock tulpa was a better one because it got laughs and some people actually bought it and it caused tons of drama. Solid work though, a 7 for effort maybe?
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(03-10-2013, 08:12 PM)Sands Wrote: Oh nevermind, seems that testing is that Quetza whatever guy from IRC who is possibly Alba and all that jazz. Pretty good, but you spent a bit too much time in this and day one switching, really? That doesn't make anyone take you seriously. That and the whole bad English and constantly failing reading comprehension, it gets old. Rock tulpa was a better one because it got laughs and some people actually bought it and it caused tons of drama. Solid work though, a 7 for effort maybe?
I dont know either of those two, and you dont have to believe anyone, however im telling the story as how it is. Mind you, you seemed to have some English comprehension flaws yourself, but ill rest my case and not start an insultfest. Do you have a reasonable reason that youre trying to debunk me here?
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(03-10-2013, 08:12 PM)Sands Wrote: Oh nevermind, seems that testing is that Quetza whatever guy from IRC who is possibly Alba and all that jazz. Pretty good, but you spent a bit too much time in this and day one switching, really? That doesn't make anyone take you seriously. That and the whole bad English and constantly failing reading comprehension, it gets old. Rock tulpa was a better one because it got laughs and some people actually bought it and it caused tons of drama. Solid work though, a 7 for effort maybe?

... Wait, what is going on? I haven't been around very long so I've never heard of any of those people before now. Am I misinterpreting you, or are you saying this guide was meant to be a joke? Because I don't think any troll is desperate enough to type out entire debates like what has been going on in this thread.

Goddamnit, I just want to know whether or not I can trust this guide. I'll almost definitely be using desensitization methods regardless, but I want to know if the mindvoice dominance swap thing is a legitimate strategy or if it's just been me pretending to be my tulpa every time we switch. I mean, even though it barely even counts as possession, I BELIEVE it's her (and even if it isn't it's still her influence so it might as well be her), but I don't know if belief actually makes the thing I'm doing real. It's like assuming your tulpa's actions are all coming from her, while you're actively puppeting her to violently fling around the room like a ragdoll. Even if I truly believe that it's her and that it's working, there's still a very real possibility that it's not. And right now I am confused as fuck over whether it is or not.

So please, can I get some sort of finalized opinion on this? If I feel like there's a possibility that it's just me pretending to be her (albeit in such a genuinely believed way that i manage to replicate her perfectly), is that a sign that this doesn't count as an actual switch? It's a different personality, but with the same consciousness. Same sense of self. Nothing alien.
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The guide like I said has some symbolism that might work. Everyone's different so what works for one doesn't work for everyone else, but it could work. Again, I don't see the actual switching part of this guide. A switch, again, is when you can choose to not see through your eyes so before you do that, it's not a switch but just possession. I don't think there's such thing as a dominance swap but it's all in your mind, which again, could truly work for you as a way to make you realize you're not the one controlling the body anymore. The guide could very well be a real thing, but I don't buy day one switching. Everyone else should also choose if they wish to believe or not, not everyone speaks the truth or knows what they are doing.

Possession early on for me was very alien, but do keep in mind we did it before Roswell was vocal, so we didn't have the same kind of a communication link like many others have at the moment with a tupper who can actually talk. The movements could feel less alien when you can possibly feel the intentions behind them already. I can't really say if it's normal, I'm afraid. However, I can say that I have never felt like I am Roswell when possessing and even less so when switching as I'm not watching what the body does, so this guide might result in some odd blending and mixing of the personalities based on your words, which I don't think is exactly the best thing to try to achieve. Always try to keep your own mind, both the host and a tupper. Weird blending has happened to us when been in the middle of changing control back and we were interrupted, so the result was just confusion, but not exactly me acting and thinking I am Roswell, though.

While I can sometimes certainly feel the intention of what Roswell is sometimes about to type, I don't get the whole message with all the words unless he says it or types it. It's little things like that you should keep an eye out for. Things that took you by surprise or things that are done differently than you normally would, fun things like that. Those certainly should confirm something, yeah? But just chill, don't fight it and cry you're not possessing, because it could very well be an early stage and you will get better with time and that's when you will feel it. Just find your way to do it.

Don't underestimate the roleplayers and trolls, though. Some make some really funny things and spend way too much effort. Right now the community is screaming "believe everyone and everything!", which has done good things but also many bad things, as now people are falling for obvious trolls. The rock tulpa is still my favorite.
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IMO the point where possession becomes switching is when that feeling of where you are shifts out of the body and into an imagined body, either near the physical one or in the wonderland. That is, when you are no longer in the body. At least for some (e.g. Atasco), you do this for a while and then slowly physical vision fades because it doesn't make sense from the spot you feel like you're at.

Sands Wrote:I don't buy day one switching.
There's no reason it shouldn't be possible. Consider DID. People get switched with non-parallel alters involuntarily, with zero effort, even without knowledge that the alter exists. So, depending on where one is on that spectrum, even pretty close to the "normal" end, switching may be considerably easier.

Sands Wrote:this guide might result in some odd blending and mixing of the personalities based on your words, which I don't think is exactly the best thing to try to achieve. Always try to keep your own mind, both the host and a tupper.
It's not full switching, but I don't see how it's that bad a thing. If someone can use it as a step to get closer to full switching, good for them. No two people's experiences are the same.

Sands Wrote:Don't underestimate the roleplayers and trolls, though. Some make some really funny things and spend way too much effort. Right now the community is screaming "believe everyone and everything!", which has done good things but also many bad things, as now people are falling for obvious trolls. The rock tulpa is still my favorite.
No, only to keep an open mind, or if you cannot, keep your roleplay accusations to yourself. This is to create an atmosphere where people aren't afraid they'll be run out of town if they report odd things they experienced. Fear of saying something happened because it's too weird hinders progress for us all. Last March, possession was considered impossible. As recently as August, a tulpa making a tulpa was suspect. When switching first appeared, people cried roleplay. We only have these things today because someone had the courage to speak up when they found it was possible. Those who believed them tried it and confirmed that it can be done. Had those who didn't believe them turned any discussion of these topics into a string of RP accusations, they would still be considered impossible now.

When even Pleeb is holding back wacky things his tulpa did for fear of people calling him a roleplayer, you can tell there's a problem.
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(03-11-2013, 05:20 PM)Chupi Wrote: IMO the point where possession becomes switching is when that feeling of where you are shifts out of the body and into an imagined body, either near the physical one or in the wonderland. That is, when you are no longer in the body. At least for some (e.g. Atasco), you do this for a while and then slowly physical vision fades because it doesn't make sense from the spot you feel like you're at.

And that shift also involves senses, which eyesight is one of. If you can't do that as well and that usually is the last step to many but not all, it's not a switch as all you senses aren't something your imaginary body feels. That's why it's usually the easiest to just talk about the eyes.

(03-11-2013, 05:20 PM)Chupi Wrote: There's no reason it shouldn't be possible. Consider DID. People get switched with non-parallel alters involuntarily, with zero effort, even without knowledge that the alter exists. So, depending on where one is on that spectrum, even pretty close to the "normal" end, switching may be considerably easier.

Except don't these people normally black out? How often do they suddenly find themselves in an imaginary body just like that?

(03-11-2013, 05:20 PM)Chupi Wrote: It's not full switching, but I don't see how it's that bad a thing. If someone can use it as a step to get closer to full switching, good for them. No two people's experiences are the same.

It could be a step, maybe. But it could also lead into a lot of confusion and lead into doubts, as the tulpa starts feeling more like you and you start thinking it's just you pretending. If you both can't keep your own minds though, that kind of hinders things like parallel processing or whatever, if that's your thing.

(03-11-2013, 05:20 PM)Chupi Wrote: No, only to keep an open mind, or if you cannot, keep your roleplay accusations to yourself. This is to create an atmosphere where people aren't afraid they'll be run out of town if they report odd things they experienced. Fear of saying something happened because it's too weird hinders progress for us all. Last March, possession was considered impossible. As recently as August, a tulpa making a tulpa was suspect. When switching first appeared, people cried roleplay. We only have these things today because someone had the courage to speak up when they found it was possible. Those who believed them tried it and confirmed that it can be done. Had those who didn't believe them turned any discussion of these topics into a string of RP accusations, they would still be considered impossible now.

Because we all want another rock tulpa. I'm sure someone cried foul there too and were met with HUSH, YOU MUST BELIEVEEEEE. There's believing and then there's just being stupid. No one can force you to believe or not to believe if you don't want to, and both viewpoints should be accepted. If you can't handle someone not believing you when you say things that are absurd, then you're the one who shouldn't say it, not the skeptics. It makes you stronger if you're able to say it and take others not believing you.

If this turns into #.info where you can't say you opinions anymore if it means giving someone a booboo, then the forums are over. Don't make this into another hugbox or even less people will take us seriously. I'll listen to the people I know I can trust especially when I can confirm some of the things they say myself over some random nobody who suddenly drops in and claims something ridiculous without having some new discoveries and viewpoints backing them up. Right now I see a lot of symbolism that's not exactly new which should somehow achieve something new.

(03-11-2013, 05:20 PM)Chupi Wrote: When even Pleeb is holding back wacky things his tulpa did for fear of people calling him a roleplayer, you can tell there's a problem.

There's things that are easier to believe and then there's shit that's just stupid. If he told me that his tupper could time travel then yeah sure, I'd call bullshit. If he said his tupper could heal his sickness, I'd cock my head. I doubt the tupper actually healed the sickness but I can take dulling the pain for example, which might lead into them not noticing their sickness anymore and think they're already healed, while it might take a while for them to actually get better. But placebo most likely already does a lot to help.
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(03-11-2013, 12:07 PM)makogeddon Wrote: ... Wait, what is going on? I haven't been around very long so I've never heard of any of those people before now. Am I misinterpreting you, or are you saying this guide was meant to be a joke? Because I don't think any troll is desperate enough to type out entire debates like what has been going on in this thread.

Goddamnit, I just want to know whether or not I can trust this guide. I'll almost definitely be using desensitization methods regardless, but I want to know if the mindvoice dominance swap thing is a legitimate strategy or if it's just been me pretending to be my tulpa every time we switch. I mean, even though it barely even counts as possession, I BELIEVE it's her (and even if it isn't it's still her influence so it might as well be her), but I don't know if belief actually makes the thing I'm doing real. It's like assuming your tulpa's actions are all coming from her, while you're actively puppeting her to violently fling around the room like a ragdoll. Even if I truly believe that it's her and that it's working, there's still a very real possibility that it's not. And right now I am confused as fuck over whether it is or not.

So please, can I get some sort of finalized opinion on this? If I feel like there's a possibility that it's just me pretending to be her (albeit in such a genuinely believed way that i manage to replicate her perfectly), is that a sign that this doesn't count as an actual switch? It's a different personality, but with the same consciousness. Same sense of self. Nothing alien.
I can assure you that on MANY occasions, i honestly wont say all, but on a large majority of the time, it does work. Please keep in mind that Sands has little experience with this method and is going off of what he believes is the case based on large and heavy assumptions that by all means arent as true as hes claiming. Dominance switch has been shown to have good effects on the people that i have had use it, however do try it yourself and report your honest results, and questions if you have any.

(03-11-2013, 12:59 PM)Sands Wrote: The guide like I said has some symbolism that might work. Everyone's different so what works for one doesn't work for everyone else, but it could work. Again, I don't see the actual switching part of this guide. A switch, again, is when you can choose to not see through your eyes so before you do that, it's not a switch but just possession. I don't think there's such thing as a dominance swap but it's all in your mind, which again, could truly work for you as a way to make you realize you're not the one controlling the body anymore. The guide could very well be a real thing, but I don't buy day one switching. Everyone else should also choose if they wish to believe or not, not everyone speaks the truth or knows what they are doing.

Possession early on for me was very alien, but do keep in mind we did it before Roswell was vocal, so we didn't have the same kind of a communication link like many others have at the moment with a tupper who can actually talk. The movements could feel less alien when you can possibly feel the intentions behind them already. I can't really say if it's normal, I'm afraid. However, I can say that I have never felt like I am Roswell when possessing and even less so when switching as I'm not watching what the body does, so this guide might result in some odd blending and mixing of the personalities based on your words, which I don't think is exactly the best thing to try to achieve. Always try to keep your own mind, both the host and a tupper. Weird blending has happened to us when been in the middle of changing control back and we were interrupted, so the result was just confusion, but not exactly me acting and thinking I am Roswell, though.

While I can sometimes certainly feel the intention of what Roswell is sometimes about to type, I don't get the whole message with all the words unless he says it or types it. It's little things like that you should keep an eye out for. Things that took you by surprise or things that are done differently than you normally would, fun things like that. Those certainly should confirm something, yeah? But just chill, don't fight it and cry you're not possessing, because it could very well be an early stage and you will get better with time and that's when you will feel it. Just find your way to do it.

Don't underestimate the roleplayers and trolls, though. Some make some really funny things and spend way too much effort. Right now the community is screaming "believe everyone and everything!", which has done good things but also many bad things, as now people are falling for obvious trolls. The rock tulpa is still my favorite.
Again, have you considered trying the method for yourself before you say anything? If you do and you honestly still feel that it does not help achieve switching, then i would be more than happy to take your arguments as more than give or take pointless derailing of the thread here. Also you should consider that if other people have taken progress then its not BS naturally. Isnt that so?

Quote:There's no reason it shouldn't be possible. Consider DID. People get switched with non-parallel alters involuntarily, with zero effort, even without knowledge that the alter exists. So, depending on where one is on that spectrum, even pretty close to the "normal" end, switching may be considerably easier.

It's not full switching, but I don't see how it's that bad a thing. If someone can use it as a step to get closer to full switching, good for them. No two people's experiences are the same.

No, only to keep an open mind, or if you cannot, keep your roleplay accusations to yourself. This is to create an atmosphere where people aren't afraid they'll be run out of town if they report odd things they experienced. Fear of saying something happened because it's too weird hinders progress for us all. Last March, possession was considered impossible. As recently as August, a tulpa making a tulpa was suspect. When switching first appeared, people cried roleplay. We only have these things today because someone had the courage to speak up when they found it was possible. Those who believed them tried it and confirmed that it can be done. Had those who didn't believe them turned any discussion of these topics into a string of RP accusations, they would still be considered impossible now.

When even Pleeb is holding back wacky things his tulpa did for fear of people calling him a roleplayer, you can tell there's a problem.
I can agree to that Chupi

(03-11-2013, 07:01 PM)Sands Wrote: And that shift also involves senses, which eyesight is one of. If you can't do that as well and that usually is the last step to many but not all, it's not a switch as all you senses aren't something your imaginary body feels. That's why it's usually the easiest to just talk about the eyes.

Except don't these people normally black out? How often do they suddenly find themselves in an imaginary body just like that?

It could be a step, maybe. But it could also lead into a lot of confusion and lead into doubts, as the tulpa starts feeling more like you and you start thinking it's just you pretending. If you both can't keep your own minds though, that kind of hinders things like parallel processing or whatever, if that's your thing.

Because we all want another rock tulpa. I'm sure someone cried foul there too and were met with HUSH, YOU MUST BELIEVEEEEE. There's believing and then there's just being stupid. No one can force you to believe or not to believe if you don't want to, and both viewpoints should be accepted. If you can't handle someone not believing you when you say things that are absurd, then you're the one who shouldn't say it, not the skeptics. It makes you stronger if you're able to say it and take others not believing you.

If this turns into #.info where you can't say you opinions anymore if it means giving someone a booboo, then the forums are over. Don't make this into another hugbox or even less people will take us seriously. I'll listen to the people I know I can trust especially when I can confirm some of the things they say myself over some random nobody who suddenly drops in and claims something ridiculous without having some new discoveries and viewpoints backing them up. Right now I see a lot of symbolism that's not exactly new which should somehow achieve something new.

There's things that are easier to believe and then there's shit that's just stupid. If he told me that his tupper could time travel then yeah sure, I'd call bullshit. If he said his tupper could heal his sickness, I'd rooster my head. I doubt the tupper actually healed the sickness but I can take dulling the pain for example, which might lead into them not noticing their sickness anymore and think they're already healed, while it might take a while for them to actually get better. But placebo most likely already does a lot to help.
Since a lot of this has already been answered in here Ill keep it simple. If youre not willing to accept new viewpoints that seem more crazy than the stories you are acquainted with then youre a hypocrite already. I wont repeat what has already been said i hope, but i agree that opinions should be shared, what youre doing is try to debunk the guide, which is not the method you used and me who said something that you think is impossible. Youre trying to keep using the old method and not give a different method a try because you think that it wont work for you, which you unless you try it you have no claim of that. Its not symbolism either, because it works directly (repeated, but its something to stress the importance of). Currently i honestly view what youre trying to do is repeating your argument in hope of giving the guide a solid flip. Why, im not sure but id prefer to know if you wouldnt mind sharing. Finally switching on day 1 is by far not even close to time traveling. Its true i would probably call BS on a time traveling tulpa, outside of wonderland physics and all at least, but something like an earlier switch than most of the people is believable to me if they could tell the community what they did, which i more or less did, however it is edited for convenience of more tulpamancers
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(03-11-2013, 07:06 PM)testing Wrote: Since a lot of this has already been answered in here Ill keep it simple. If youre not willing to accept new viewpoints that seem more crazy than the stories you are acquainted with then youre a hypocrite already. I wont repeat what has already been said i hope, but i agree that opinions should be shared, what youre doing is try to debunk the guide, which is not the method you used and me who said something that you think is impossible. Youre trying to keep using the old method and not give a different method a try because you think that it wont work for you, which you unless you try it you have no claim of that. Its not symbolism either, because it works directly (repeated, but its something to stress the importance of). Currently i honestly view what youre trying to do is repeating your argument in hope of giving the guide a solid flip. Why, im not sure but id prefer to know if you wouldnt mind sharing. Finally switching on day 1 is by far not even close to time traveling. Its true i would probably call BS on a time traveling tulpa, outside of wonderland physics and all at least, but something like an earlier switch than most of the people is believable to me if they could tell the community what they did, which i more or less did, however it is edited for convenience of more tulpamancers

Again, I'm not saying your guide doesn't work, but it totally is just symbolism. I am however calling bullshit on your stories. That again has nothing to do with you guide but I guess people are less likely to believe in your guide when you spout unbeliavable bullshit. I can see potential, but it's nothing groundbreaking while you are claiming it does groundbreaking things. It's just symbolism, like creating a tupper by inserting balls of light into it that represent parts of their personality. That too works for some and got really fast results from others, while some just yawn and say symbolism. And for that very same reason they don't like that paticular method, so they look for something else that works better.

Also makogeddon already reported his experiences with it and asked questions, you just haven't done a lot of answering.
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(03-11-2013, 08:01 PM)Sands Wrote: Again, I'm not saying your guide doesn't work, but it totally is just symbolism. I am however calling bullshit on your stories. That again has nothing to do with you guide but I guess people are less likely to believe in your guide when you spout unbeliavable bullshit. I can see potential, but it's nothing groundbreaking while you are claiming it does groundbreaking things. It's just symbolism, like creating a tupper by inserting balls of light into it that represent parts of their personality. That too works for some and got really fast results from others, while some just yawn and say symbolism. And for that very same reason they don't like that paticular method, so they look for something else that works better.

Also makogeddon already reported his experiences with it and asked questions, you just haven't done a lot of answering.
I will again view the mindvoice switch as not a form of symbolism, but i will go with it because the fact that it works for quite a lot of tulpa hasnt changed with your words. As for Makogeddon, weve had a brief talk in the irc, however not much was solved there as the issue lies in how to separate the body if i understood him correctly. Im still trying to think of a better method that works for more people. Ive tried to answer the questions that he posted though, at least as clearly as i could, but i heard he was trying sensory deprivation as well, so ill go with that for now, perhaps until theres been results with that.
Back to what you said however, the people that overlook symbolism are the ones that have less resources, youre not included because you can already switch, but theres not much reason to call symbolism as ineffective without trying it, also because it works for a lot of the people that have tried it so it might work for you, again not you Sands but the people who dont give symbolism a chance (if you call it symbolism Sands)
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