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RE: [Possession][Switching] Guide to Tulpa Control

I can't approve of this guide. Too much symbolism and not enough solid evidence in between the liquidy excrement.
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RE: [Possession][Switching] Guide to Tulpa Control

6/9 Disapprove of this, and will be unsticked by the end of the deadline.


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RE: [Possession][Switching] Guide to Tulpa Control

Disapproved for now (Guides), may get approved if some things get fixed.

The most common problem the guide has is the spelling and grammar - it needs extensive editing.

Now for the contents:

>Introduction:

>I will first assume that you are aware of what switching is but in case you dont, it is when the tulpa can use the hosts body as if it were her own and the host is moved into a temporary mindform.

This doesn't talk at all about the subjective experience of the host. In the worst case, with this definition, someone could twist the meanings to mean that the host pretends to be the tulpa and the tulpa pretends to be the host, which is not what switching is - switching involves a major change in conscious experience (and the memories they end up forming) for the host.

> Switching: Switching places with the tulpa so the tulpa is in the place of the host and the host is in a tulpa state

This is a bit better definition, but again, someone needs to understand that "tulpa state" does mean actually having your own first-person perceptions from that perspective, not something else like pretending to be the tulpa.

The definition of merging is non-standard, but I'm not going to object as he explains his own definition. It's rather close to BlackStatic's definition of "parallel processing", which yet again is a non-standard definition of the term. Also, why do 2 definitions of the same term for different guides by the same person?

> Step 1 Switch whos thoughts are dominant

This is an interesting idea which I suppose will help some tulpas get better at doing possession or handling body-related things (sense sharing, motor control, etc).

Some of the example ways of accomplishing it do involve symbolism, but they'll probably work if you believe they'll work and you understand what you're actually trying to do, rather than visualize the presented symbolism something in an empty manner. It may be that some of these steps can't truly be explained in a simple way without involving too personal symbolism or merely "just do it".

The explanation given in the latter part of this section is quite unclear to me and it seems like it could be interpreted in multiple ways.

While I was able to get a decent idea of what "mindvoice switching" means after reading the section a few times, it could still be written a lot more clearly.

Also, some people who can switch do seem to disagree with "If your tulpa is dominant, it will be harder for you to think" - at the very least having difficulty thinking or visualizing isn't something that has to happen for everyone, but could very well happen for some - nevertheless, may not be something that's worth telling people to expect (frontloading).

This step may be about getting the tulpa closer to the senses (sense sharing) and more closer to controlling the body (possession), not unlike that term multiples about how close (or not) to "front" they are, that is the degree of dissociation or lack of it.


> Step 2 Possession

Seems mostly okay, aside from slightly lacking some description about how it should feel from the host's perspective.


> Step 3 Tulpa coming in your bodie

This appears to be a symbolism for full-body possession of a more direct sorts. Why is this step needed if step 2 is completed, unless it's meant to be "faster"?


> Step 4 Give your body to your tulpa

This seems to be about the host dissociating/disconnecting/ignoring the senses while the tulpa starts doing more things in the body.

> At this point, also, the tulpa should maintain you to some extents, because you are the tulpa and your tulpa is the host position. You will naturally maintain yourself of course but you dont need to think about maintaining yourself, your tulpa should do that more than your body in the state that its in as a tulpa.

A bit confused about what is meant here. Does it mean the tulpa should actively visualize you or does it mean that they should maintain the physical body? Some of the sentences here are pretty unclear.

If it's the first, some people would disagree about the true necessity of the tulpa always having to pay direct attention to you. If it's the second, that should be obvious.

(After reading the thread I can see that it was added due to someone's beliefs about their tulpa, but that person seems to have trouble in believing in their tulpa's sentience/independence to begin with and this guide doesn't stress the importance of it nearly enough.)

> Once you have your consciousness and or thoughts in the mindform body, your tulpa should be able to weakly control your body at first and will get stronger at it, or or will be able to strongly control your body right away.

Wasn't the tulpa already doing full-body possession by step 3, why should the control be weak? Or was the host still contributing to movements during step 3?

> An example scene of switching that you can get an idea of what to look for is this: Tulpa is in your form using your body typing on your computer while you talk sit back by your wall talking to your tulpa and talking to them with a mindvoice like a/the tulpaes.

My form? If they're in the body, why would they need my form?

> Some people have said that their mindform is unstable at first when you switch, pull your mindform out just as normal and have in in a low movement setting, and have it sit quietly and watch, then after you can switch, work on making your mindform more stable, just like developing a tulpas body.

While I can understand the need to work on one's imaginary senses, I'm still a bit unsure what's meant here by "pulling one's mindform out". A lot of these parts could be written a lot more clearly.

> Also as a tulpa your senses may be blurrier and harder to distinguish what is felt with your senses. That is normal, it is not always fixed, because that is how a tulpa body works, it is a little less vivid from what we have found with our personal experience with it

I've heard of enough people who have fairly vivid experiences in that state of mind, thus I'm not sure telling people to give up and not work on it is a good idea.

Some people have compared the experience to hyperreal lucid dreams, with some exceptions. From personal experience, it seems the vividness of lucid dreams varies a lot and can be improved, especially if you start using your imagination a lot.


> Step 5 Undoing possession, switching, and merging, the most important step

> Step 6 in the first guide is this step if you look at the numbers, step 5 in the first guide is merging but it is cut out in the guide so the numbers are as they are. Why is it the most important step? If you dont do this step your tulpa may feel tired, sometimes, even a little out of it. Dont worry if this happens, from what ive heard its somewhat normal but its a thing easily fixable.

I'm unsure I truly understand why this step is needed? Do some tulpas forget to stop possessing and it's to remind them to focus on their imaginary senses?


Overall most steps do seem like they would work, but there's also a lot of grammar and ambiguity issues in the guide that would be nice to see them resolved.

The trickiest part about switching seems to be about learning to dissociate from senses - for some people it's something that happens naturally, while for others they could train it in a similar way one trains imposition. This guide doesn't truly go into enough detail about this aside from some symbolism. I don't know if it's something that can truly be explained aside from making sure someone meets enough requirements for it to "just happen".

The guide also has some frontloading in it that may be a bit harmful to some people, although not likely something that's too hard to grow out of.

Some of the clarifications the author gives in resources/posts/logs outside the main guide do clarify things better, however since we're voting on the guide here, it may help if any such issues with the guide would be fixed there.


If there's one thing someone should take from this guide is that switching can happen naturally for some people without having to do overcomplicated or overly difficult things.

If the symbolism is stripped, it does seem very much like a guide where 3 main components of switching are present: tulpa possessing/sharing senses, the host stepping back/relaxing and eventually dissociating form senses and focusing on being in the imagination (here and now).

One last thing this guide seems to be missing is making sure the requirements for switching are there - for example, how independent someone's tulpa is and how well they can communicate with them - one can see issues of this sort appear if one reads this thread - the guide's author meets the requirements, thus he forgets that some people may not meet them and still try to follow through with the guide, but in a different way and then they notice they can't finish some step and end up getting further discouraged.

As for Linkzelda's translation: it's certainly more readable than the original, but I feel some things were lost in translation and a few things were added that I'm not seeing anywhere in the original guide. I suppose someone that can't parse the original text can at least give this version a look.
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RE: [Possession][Switching] Guide to Tulpa Control

7/9 Disapprove = unstickied.


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