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Creator
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22 17.74%
Forcer
2.42%
3 2.42%
Tulpamancer
32.26%
40 32.26%
Owner
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1 0.81%
Host
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58 46.77%
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Term for someone with a tulpa
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RE: Term for someone with a tulpa

I want to necro this thread.

The word host doesn't really mean "someone with a tulpa," to me, instead it would mean something more like "someone with a tulpa who was the original and/or is the primary fronter," depending on who you ask. We just mean it to mean the original, since none of us want to give up the term "tulpa." 

Something that we've noticed is that usually there are two ways to refer to """"ownership"""" of tulpas. One being that all tulpas are the host's tulpas, even if one/some of the tulpas were created by other tulpas. Another being that the host's tulpas are only the ones that the host created, while tulpas created by the other tulpas are their tulpas, if that makes sense. So, for example, since I was accidentally created by two tulpas, following the first logic it would have only been the host to say "Piano is my tulpa," and following the second logic, only my creators would have been the ones to say "Piano is our tulpa." The first denotes the host or the leader of the system, the second denotes the creator(s). 

Personally, the way we do it is we sort of treat the word "tulpa" to mean something more akin to "sibling." We're all each other's tulpas, none of us """own""" anyone. If I want to make it clear that Apollo is older or Indigo is younger, I will say "my older/younger tulpa" or "our older/younger tulpa." I know that since people are so used to referring to tulpas in the two ways I described that it might not make sense to a lot of people, but we try to clarify that that's how we use that word. 

I think the word "tulpamancer" mores o means "person who practices/pursues tulpamancy" than "person who has a tulpa." But then, that creates a question: do you have to make a tulpa to be considered a tulpamancer, or do you just have to work on various tulpa-related goals with yourself or other tulpas? For example, Indigo has never created a tulpa, but when he fronts he maintains Apollo and I like any regular host would, and we work on things like co-fronting together. Is Indigo considered a tulpamancer or not?

The word "creator" just means creator to me, it doesn't imply that the creator is the host or even that the creator is still around anymore. We frequently use that word to refer to who created each of us. It's straightforward. 

"Forcer" just sounds strange. "Owner" is downright offensive (unless you're into that sort of thing, I guess?).

I suppose the best word to use would be tulpamancer, mostly because you can use that word to easily refer to the whole system and not just a single person. "We're a tulpamancer," "we're tulpamancers," or "we're a tulpamancy system" all get the point across. Something like "I'm a host to x tulpas" would also get the point across. I suppose which word you use depends more on your intent than anything.

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RE: Term for someone with a tulpa

I also agree with 'tulpamancer' I've seen this debated several times, it's a grandfathered word at worst. I happen to like it.

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RE: Term for someone with a tulpa

"Owner" is only appropriate to me when it's "Owner of the body", in a system where presumably the host claims ownership of the body and not the tulpas.

"Creator" means creator. It's less of a title for a person and more a point of reference; "Reisen's creator", sure, but don't call me "Creator" lol.

"Tulpamancer"... hmmm. The only reason not to use this now universally accepted term is because it sounds too silly for science/mainstream? to take seriously, due to its "magic" implications. So use of this word depends on whether or not you think/want tulpamancy to become a commonly accepted thing. Personally I'd rather just not fight what's already established, but I don't mind if people stop using this term. Nothing new like "Tulper" is going to catch on IMO though, it'd have to be like "Someone who has a tulpa" or "Tulpa host" or something.

"Host" is just here to stay. Has minor "creepy" connotations for some newbies and those who opted never to adopt it, but simply nothing is going to replace it. As for what it means - depends on the person. Most often, "Host" is taken to mean the original personality in the body that came before all the others. Personally, I think (to account for permaswitching, or plurality systems with the original personality gone/otherwise, which is sort of common compared to here) that "Host" is the title for who claims the most ownership of the body and the life it lives. Generally they're the ones most responsible for all others in the system.

Now, a lot of people don't agree with this, and that's fine, but again I've seen some plural systems here whose "hosts" have been gone for 10+ years and now effectively have a new host.. It only feels fair to call them the new host. The same may eventually be true for tulpamancy once it's older. Also note that even as Lucilyn once fronted for two months straight, I was still the host, and always will be. It's not necessarily "who fronts the most", it's who takes the most responsibility and ownership of the body and other systemmates. "Original personality" automatically has this role unless they've given it up.


... "Forcer"? Yeah, nah. "Tulpa forcer" is a viable alternative to "Tulpamancer" for those who dislike the "-mancy" suffix though. I just don't expect to ever see it used, and IMO someone like me doesn't necessarily "force" their tulpas anymore nine years later.

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RE: Term for someone with a tulpa

Host kinda implies everything's owned by them, and the tulpas exist on their time and through their courtesy (ignoring parasitic connotations). I'm starting to think it might be better for us to use the term "original" instead of "host" or "old host" or whatever. I'm unsure exactly. Perhaps I should look into possible alternatives to use on a personal basis. "Predecessor," perhaps?

I think a fun word to use instead of tulpamancy would be tulpology, but I know the word tulpamancy is going to stay. And yes, I know -ology means "the study of."

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RE: Term for someone with a tulpa

My wonderland NPC's call me 'creator', no one in system would call me tulpamancer it sounds like I raised them from the dead as a tie in to necromancer which is the only other -mancer word I had really heard of before that. I wouldn't consider myself 'host' in wonderland either because we're all equals there.

Still, outside of my wonderland, I'm a tulpamancer, and proud to be a host. The body is mine, they told me so.

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RE: Term for someone with a tulpa

Never heard of pyromancy?

(03-16-2019, 05:07 AM)Piano Wrote:
Host kinda implies everything's owned by them, and the tulpas exist on their time and through their courtesy (ignoring parasitic connotations).

Well, sure, I guess you can put it that way. I'm not saying there has to be someone in a system who identifies as host, just that it should be an option for people other than "Originals", especially in systems where the original is gone.

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RE: Term for someone with a tulpa

Of course. I'm speaking more on how we see the term, rather than how others do or don't.

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RE: Term for someone with a tulpa

"Tulpamancer" just sounds cooler.
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