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Tulpas and biological compounds


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Taunav: Salutations. My name is Taunav, I am another one of the tulpas within this system. As all of you know, tulpas can have a heavy impact on the host, including, as Quetzal demonstrated before, changing sexuality

 

https://community.tulpa.info/thread-tulpas-and-sexuality

 

I have actually come across a system on Steam where the tulpas are able to change the chemical cocktail within the host's brain. He wishes to remain anonymous, but he actually had his two tulpas since birth, they are as old as he is (22) and were always able to fluidly possess and switch, and have a great deal of control over the mind to the point of altering chemicals in the brain and body. I wanted to see if I could do this myself, and thus I attempted to increase levels of Adenosine Triphosphate in the body, or ATP, an essential compound in the process of cellular respiration and metabolism. The controller of the compounds in the other system, I shall call him A, said that he did it via symbolism with a command console in the mindscape. I decided to try the same, and had a computer I used myself to regulate it. I shall let Ian explain the results himself, as he was the one afflicted the most

 

 

Ian: Well...it worked. Needless to say, it worked! I had SO MUCH ENERGY yesterday. I had a bunch of stuff I had to do, but going through it was a breeze! However, it did come with some side effects. I had a MASSIVE appetite, my stomach as a BLACK HOLE. I needed more food to sustain the energy levels, and I just kept eating and eating and eating! Another side effect though was...well, to increase ATP levels, levels of adenosine had to be increased too, and adenosine is what causes drowsiness. It builds up in your blood while you're awake and goes down when you sleep. But it's also essential in the production of ATP, so more ATP=More adenosine. In the evening, I was feeling its effects, but it was really really weird....I mean...I was mentally tired, my eyes wanted to sleep, but my body...my body, no, it still had that ATP boost, and it wanted to be active and move around because it had BOUNDLESS ENERGY. So sleeping was a bit of a problem, so Taunav finally lowered the levels back to normal and once it finally wore off I was able to get some sleep.

 

Earlier this morning though, I had more stuff I needed to do, so he raised them again (although not as much), and once I got done with what I needed to do, they were lowered again. I'm thinking that this can be used and controlled to give me a boost of energy when I need it, it's not good to have it high all the time.

 

Also though, earlier I was minding my own business, doing my own thing, and then I suddenly felt a wave of euphoria wash over me, I was the happiest person alive, without a care in the world. And it was for seemingly no reason, it just happened out of nowhere. And apparantly, Taunav raised levels of seratonin and dopamine without me aware of it, to see what would happen. I guess I'm the guinea pig now...

 

So...any thoughts, comments, suggestions? And have your tulpas try this kind of thing out too, let's see what happens!

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Just gonna pop in to back up what Ian and Taunav's saying here. From what I can tell, we already know that the brain works by symbolism. This is indicated through countless other things, like doors to indicate what memories tulpas can and cannot access, switches to change sexuality, and command consoles to change chemical production, evidently. Also, I was there with Ian as he was experiencing all this, and the chatlogs are entertaining xD

 

Quetzal the furdragon: Mother fucking shit, Taunav's boost to my ATP gives me so much more energy, but I'm SO FUCKING HUNGRY

Snivie: It worked? :o

Quetzal the furdragon: Yes

Quetzal the furdragon: AND NOW I HAVE A HUGE APPETITE

Snivie: How did they explain the way it worked? You never showed me :o

Quetzal the furdragon: [Check Skype]

Snivie: What kind of symbolism did you use? :o

Quetzal the furdragon: [Computer interface]

Quetzal the furdragon: god dammit I AM SO HUNGRY

 

Snivie: ..but this solves the weight problem. If it works. It requires the client to massively change the way their mind works, but it works.

Quetzal the furdragon: [Perhaps it can solve diabetes as well]

Quetzal the furdragon: [if one can freely affect insulin production]

Snivie: It's likely possible. Not sure if you can just "produce more" like that, just by command, but it's worth a shot.

 

Interestingly enough, I'm also curious as to HOW the brain perceives these commands. For instance, when Taunav simply "increased" Ian's levels of ATP, I.. feel it may have maxxed them out, just by the amount Ian felt. Same goes for the seratonin and dopamine, he got MASSIVE waves of it. I'm curious if the brain would register an "increased" level as "maxxing it out". Percentiles and fractions could be a way around this. But that's just my two cents. I'm curious as to what the rest of the tulpa community has to say about it.

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I don't deny that we are able to fuck with our hosts in many ways [sic!] but willfully increasing ATP levels is just plain nonsense.

 

This probably works pretty much like hypnosis. You can convince people that they feel tired or full of energy, at least to some degree, and this is indeed mediated by the release of neurotransmitters. Just like the fight-or-flight response can release tremendous powers when perceiving danger.

 

But that does not mean you have a direct influence on ATP synthesis in your cells mitochondria. This is one of the most essential processes in all living cells and therefore tightly regulated. ATP concentration varies greatly even within different regions of a single cell and is controlled locally on enzymatic level. I highly doubt that these processes can be influenced on purpose.

Furthermore, ATP is an important extracellular messenger molecule (see purinergic signalling) and while there might be some neuronal influence on these pathways, altering them would probably would not be good for you.

 

So I'd file the ATP thing under symbolism but that does not mean it doesn't work in principle, just on a higher level via the release of hormones and neurotransmitters.

 

However I'm surprised that the tulpas who claim to be able to influence their hosts do it in such a casual manner as rewiring stuff or using some computer interface. I'd imagine this would mainly work by expressing emotions that trigger a hormonal response. At least for us...

All I ever managed to do was sending my host waves of positive emotions which greatly increased his strength and stamina. This for example enabled him to run for a far greater distance that he'd usually be able to without feeling exhausted. It's not something I have full control over, we both need to be in the right mindset for it to work but I'm sure that could be improved by training.

But there's no mystery behind that, it's just about motivation. Every athlete will tell you the same.

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As Ido says, I believe this is a form of hypnosis. I've done similar things. At first I used symbolism, having the subjects imagine energy moving around in their bodies, growing stronger and stronger. After a while I realized that I didn't have to do that -- I just directly told their unconscious mind what I wanted them to feel, and it had pretty much the same effect.

 

Usually I make a shortcut to the subject's unconscious mind. For example, I might make it so that when they put their hand on top of their head, all of my instructions go straight to their unconscious mind without their conscious mind being aware of it at all. It sounds like that's what you've done with your computer interface.

 

As for whether you're actually having an effect on the chemical processes of the brain, or you're just fooling Ian, I can't say. Damn it Jim, I'm a hypnotist, not a doctor!

 

But I'd say you can do a lot more with this. I bet you could use your computer interface to have Ian forget things, or remember things that never happened, or feel whatever emotion you want, or see, hear, and feel things that aren't really there (though that last one may take a little practice). Keep up the experiments!

"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson

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To me, hypnosis always seemed both fascinating and really scary.

I have no problem letting Ido experiment on me as she is a part of me anyway but giving that amount of power to some stranger is beyond the trust I am able to put in others.

 

Still I'm curious - how exactly does this work?

How do you make a shortcut to the subject's unconscious mind without the help of symbolism?

 

Also, have you ever tried to hypnotize Fenchurch or have her hypnotize you?

My tulpa's control over my body is still really poor, and she hasn't been able to find a way to access my subconsciousness so far. Do you think learning hypnosis would help her?

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I have no problem letting Ido experiment on me as she is a part of me anyway but giving that amount of power to some stranger is beyond the trust I am able to put in others.

 

I know exactly what you mean. Which might be why I'm so difficult to hypnotize.

 

How do you make a shortcut to the subject's unconscious mind without the help of symbolism?

 

When I'm doing this with another person, I put them in trance, then ask them for permission to speak to their unconscious mind. Then I ask their unconscious mind to give me a signal when it's ready to talk to me. Most of the time this works, and I set up a shortcut. Something like "whenever I do this, I'm talking to you, unconscious mind, not the conscious." Then I can bring them out of trance and use that shortcut for further instructions.

 

But sometimes I never get a signal from the unconscious. I've heard this should happen with roughly one in five subjects, but it's definitely been far less than that for me -- my subjects aren't a good sample of the population though. But anyway, in these instances where I get nothing from the unconscious, I haven't been able to do anything with them, no matter what I try. And unfortunately, I'm one of those people.

 

Also, have you ever tried to hypnotize Fenchurch or have her hypnotize you?

 

She has tried hypnotizing me before, and we haven't had much luck. I've had the best luck with a human hypnotist who has managed to put me in trance, but no further instructions did anything for me.

 

My tulpa's control over my body is still really poor, and she hasn't been able to find a way to access my subconsciousness so far. Do you think learning hypnosis would help her?

 

It seems like it should, but I can't say for sure. This is not an area where I've been able to experiment much, since I'm one of the hardest people to hypnotize that I know.

"Some things have to be believed to be seen." - Ralph Hodgson

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