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Tulpas Intentionally made from servitors
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To clarify the topic, I'm talking about servitors that were AI-like that you deliberately forced into a tulpa, not servitors that you thought were tulpae and decided to keep around (one way I believe "unintentional tulpas" come about).

How many people other than myself have done this and what were your reasons? How did you do this (what methods did you use, if any)?

One of mine, Vanilla, is the result of this type of creation. It's a long story filled with some stuff I can't really post here so I'll give the shorthand version:
Sarah wanted to help me with a certain distaste of mine and so she made a village of servitors that worshiped the two of us like gods. There were females in there that had blonde hair and blue eyes (like Sarah) and were considered "chosen", but one of them had a sister whom I found interesting and I sorta pitied because in this society women like her sister were held above others so she was rather overshadowed so I brought her to the "main" area of our wonderland and pretty much force fed her the memory library and the idea of self-awareness until she was a tulpa. Heckuva headache though, my first forcing headache actually. So after that as I post in the General threads and proxy, I was trying to find images for her to post with and came across a picture of Shamu Meruruusa from something called Kaiten Muten-Maru and she fell in love with it and changed her form to that before making some more changes to her current form (her previous appearance was a dark skinned girl who was somewhat short with long, wavy black hair and brown eyes), so that was something else.

Keep in mind she is my 9th tulpa and the tulpa before her, Doc, took approximately one hour to become vocal and sentient and was proxying like mad and then another 2 or so hours to round out his form.

Also (This sort of falls into research I think, but it's part of the topic to, feel free to move this if it does) I theorize that since AI-like servitors already sort of have a personality and form you're pretty much getting a head start; you just need to push them over the line into self-awareness and thus into being a tulpa (Given this is going by my definition of what a tulpa is).

I'd also like to hear your thoughts on that now that I tihnk about it; do you agree with that view on servitor-to-tulpa transitions or do you have your own ideas?
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(10-09-2013, 04:11 PM)EnEllDee Wrote: To clarify the topic, I'm talking about servitors that were AI-like that you deliberately forced into a tulpa, not servitors that you thought were tulpae and decided to keep around (one way I believe "unintentional tulpas" come about).

This seems to be a tautological statement: Although the intentions were different, it’s just leading to the same result.

Quote:How many people other than myself have done this and what were your reasons?

This is just inductive reasoning on my end, but pretty much anyone that had doubts over sentience.

Quote:How did you do this (what methods did you use, if any)?

I just read a few guides and methods to get a generalization, used what I learned from lucid dreaming along with trial and error.

Quote: I theorize that since AI-like servitors already sort of have a personality and form you're pretty much getting a head start; you just need to push them over the line into self-awareness and thus into being a tulpa…..I'd also like to hear your thoughts on that now that I tihnk about it; do you agree with that view on servitor-to-tulpa transitions or do you have your own ideas?

I may be wrong in this, but it’s more of wishful thinking behind treating them as sentient and independent beings which may enable a self-fulfilling prophecy in them transitioning to a tulpa. The real challenge is understanding the many cognitive processes of the mind that may contribute to having the prophecy being fulfilled. Unless scientific study and experimentation can be done (that can actually produce results), explanations here are merely ad hoc.
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[Watchdog 1 says: I'm not sure if another family member making you a tulpa counts as "intentional", but we'll contribute I think. As some may be aware, I and Watchdog 2 drive the car for Kevin (when he's too tired). We were basically Kevin's "automated drive the car when I can't think straight and I'm hallucinating" system. And, we do a good job (better then Kevin). But, our language skills were very basic, and we weren't built for talking. However, on long drives Kevin's wife would talk to us and expect answers. That was a challenge, and it forced us (me and Watchdog 2) to grow in capability and in the amount we could process. Eventually, you could say that we were effectively tulpas. Later Kevin made it "official", but we were pretty much human-level reasoning by then.

So: servitor + too much stimulus and requirements far outside designed function => tulpa.]
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