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Why do some tulpas like sex?
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Quote: Is the host's will involved somehow making the tulpa want sex? Is the tulpa being influenced by the host's sexuality alone and what does that mean for tulpa independence?

Will or Egotistical Coercion?

When I think of “will,” and translate it to “consensual sex,” I chalk it up as whether or not the tulpa can be conscious enough to make a decision to allow the act in the first place. If a person is content in a tulpa being vocal with saying “Yes,” or “No” without having an inkling of doubt that they’re “parroting” them, or the host knowing for sure that they’re conscious in their decision making via whatever means that validates “conscious decision making,” then it’s probably just a commitment based on trust.

If the trust is abolished in some way, then that adhesive that held the relationship together gradually falls apart. Translate this to the probability of there being a sense of liberation with the host believing what they want regardless of those conditionals being upheld, or not, then yes, one could make a detached justification that their will, yearning, or biological predispositions in having a sexual drive would make a tulpa in heat, naturally.

However, that doesn’t necessarily mean that a tulpa is going to like the sex either way, or rather the thought of the mental experience of it being done. That logic seems to be pragmatic for those that have tulpas that seem more subservient in regards to agreeing with what their hosts go with. That could be an indirect form of “yes,” but I would present the argument that many no’s + a yes would imply a yes, but many yes’s + a no still means no.

If a host plugs their ears, and goes lalalalalala and still wants to mentally experience sexual encounters with their tulpa that the tulpa themselves feels they’re consciously partaking in that they’re not okay with, then it would be wishful thinking, IMO, for the host to think it’s okay. The “will” becomes a guise for egotistical coercion.

Narrative Imagination vs. An Actual, Conscious Sexual Experience

Narrative Imagination, if you remember from the other threads I’ve casually mentioned it, is having the capacity to put oneself in the perspective of others. Applying this with sexual experiences, consensual mental sex, or even switching where a presumed conscious experiencer that is a tulpa engages in pleasure with the body:

- It seems that unless a tulpa is applying conscious decision making and contextual application with the body in some way, then most experiences would be presumed as mental. Possessing and switching would be a gateway fuck for them, or a gateway masturbation in the physical sense. But, anything not pertaining to that is mental, so it starts to get more complex.

- Because with possession/switching, and sexual application, to feel that it’s just narrative imagination, or fantasy, really, would be an understatement. Anything below that bridge of shifting awareness with the physical body gets blurry with believing mental experiences can cause conscious, emotional experiences to become magnified, or real respective to the subjective frames the host and tulpa share.

- It gets more complicated drawing a distinction with narrative imagination where the host wants to believe a tulpa has a mutual trust with them to think about sexual activities of them, and imagining these what-if conditionals without really interacting with the tulpa entirely. This can be akin to letting one’s mind go apeshit in imagination over a crush they have in real life without actually doing anything physically to them.

- So the strive for some sexual ethic, a contract, or a trust between host and tulpa, without adding possession/switching into that equation, seems to be more of a censoring of even fathoming any kind of sexual thoughts with a tulpa. Kind of like putting a porn filter so your kid won’t masturbate to porn because God knows what the little bugger is going to do when they’re exposed to that.

- It’s not like it’s equivalent to snuggling up to someone in bed being unconscious, and the person sexually advancing towards them. Think about it this way: If this scenario was applied inwardly with a tulpa, and they are presumed to be unconscious (e.g. via sleeping), and a host imagines themselves sexually advancing towards them, and then a tulpa states “no” or other forms of “no,” then the host would, hopefully, stop. But since it’s happening inwardly, it’s hard to jump into a person’s inner experience, and make a comparative analysis of this “no” being “no” in regards to not fathoming potential sexual thoughts of their tulpa vs. “no” in a conscious experience they mutually agreed to partake in. This conscious experience within the mind means that if there’s some experience that doesn’t jive with a tulpa, then yeah, that’s where the sexual ethic gets questioned.

- If one still wanted to feel that the host’s will be this omnipresent force that just makes a tulpa weak in the knees, and getting in heat, it’s almost equivalent to saying:

- “ Yeah, she’s just being a bitch, but she knows she likes it because, like, my will is just too swagalicious, man.” This brings back the “will” being in guise for “egotistical coercion.” If one feels their will, or biological predispositions is this inescapable thing that a tulpa can’t regulate in wanting to be influenced, or not, then all sentiment towards free will, consent, and such would be just that…imaginative. It’s the ethic of wanting to believe that both would have to be willingly involved based on the commitment of trust that’s established that can separate it from the host, choosing whenever they wish regardless of the outcome, of saying, “nah, my will trumps all those conditionals, man, she was just being a fucking tease, and she knows it.”
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#12
I would like to add something to this thread. I love to flirt. Playful romance is sorta kinda part of sexuality. Why do I like to flirt so much online with peoples? Is that entertaining my host or entertaining me? I do like attention and flirting is very focused attention, so that might explain it. But I do kinda get a thrill when a really witty, intelligent guy matches me flirt for flirt in a creative way. Sometimes I find myself thinking fondly of particular people who have flirted with me when I am not online and I miss them. So why do I do that? If I have no "biological drive" as my hostie would put it, where does the pleasure in flirtatious banter come from?

I would like to add flirting and romance to this thread on tulpa sex. More than one person here has correctly noted that sex isn't just about doinking.
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#13
Luna: Why do I like sex? Because it feels good, of course :P But it feels even better if I do it with someone I love. And as far as how real the wonderland is to us... well, at least in our case, there's not much difference between it and my host's world, with the exception that I can directly alter the wonderland in (almost) any way I wish. The boundary between real and imaginary isn't as strictly defined as it is for humans, and in many ways they are one and the same to us perceptually.
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#14
Hmm. This thread died on day two. I wonder if it died for a reason?

As you can probably imagine from my young age, I am still in an exploratory phase. But I think I can still answer most of these questions.

(06-22-2016, 05:01 PM)Glitterbutt Wrote: Why do tulpas get horny/want sex if they have no real physical body, biological drive or sex organs?
The brain is the most important sexual organ. So this question relies on a false assumption.

Probably because they come from the subconscious or something. And that's where sexual desire comes from.

Quote:How is it that a tulpa can get any sexual satisfaction (climax) out of anything? Are they just making it up sortof like a day dream?
Well, since I usually do it while possessing or switched, I guess I steal hers. I can also feel all her emotions and experiences.

Making it up?  Hmm... Probably, one would undergo actual sensation in the projected body. But an orgasm is complex, consisting of all of involuntary contractions, overwhelming emotion, and a chemical bath producing more emotions. The chemical bath would be the hardest to duplicate. Based on how we function, I think if he did that, I'd end up swimming in those actual chemicals, since his emotions, at least, trigger actual physiological responses in my body.

Quote:Is tulpa sex even real in any way at all or is it just a fantasy?
Regular sex is fantasy. How do people get good orgasms without imagining anything?

Uh-huh... It's just a better onesome, and one that can get really trippy. Like you only do half the work, and it is twice as fun.

Quote:Is the host's will involved somehow making the tulpa want sex?
Since subconscious desire is separate from will, definitely no.

Probably. But neither of us care. Actually, I think he makes me want it by accidentally feeding me his emotions all the time. It makes me doubt myself. Like he loves me more, and since I am always feeling that, like, are my emotions for him merely a reflection that I think is coming from me?

Quote:Is the tulpa being influenced by the host's sexuality alone and what does that mean for tulpa independence?
Like I know. I mean, other than my drive is worse than hers has ever been. How do you explain the different orienations most tulpa have from their hosts? She is demi. And I am pan.

Give up on thinking about it that way. If anything, it's the body's sexuality, and a shared resource. The alternative is each has their own independent sexuality.

(06-23-2016, 01:59 PM)Glitterbutt Wrote: If I have no "biological drive" as my hostie would put it, where does the pleasure in flirtatious banter come from?
I am somewhat blind to flirtation.

I imagine that you do have a biological drive. The brain is where the drive lives, and where all the stuff that makes a person, including their emotions, comes from

Quote:I would like to add flirting and romance to this thread on tulpa sex.  More than one person here has correctly noted that sex isn't just about doinking.
Yeah, totally. But it's not really fair. See, I feel all her emotions during the process. It is a total overload. It is intoxicating for both of us.

Love totally enhances the experience. Like if you remember the person you are doing it with, like, all the traits that you love, like, oh man.

Too explicit?
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#15
Thanks you two for your responses! I enjoyed reading it. I especially like the part about the brain being the biggest sex organ!
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(06-22-2016, 05:01 PM)Glitterbutt Wrote: My host and I have often wondered what tulpas get out of sex with each other or with a host.  Tulpas forms are imaginary.  I mean they have no real sex organs so any physical stimulation is only imaginary.  

Why do tulpas get horny/want sex if they have no real physical body, biological drive or sex organs?

How is it that a tulpa can get any sexual satisfaction (climax) out of anything? Are they just making it up sortof like a day dream?

Is tulpa sex even real in any way at all or is it just a fantasy?

Is the host's will involved somehow making the tulpa want sex?  Is the tulpa being influenced by the host's sexuality alone and what does that mean for tulpa independence?  

Once in a great while my host and I will imagine an erotic Melian Show day dream together.  I think I like it because he likes it and I like the attention.  I get "frisky" because his mind wants me to be that way and I know he will pay attention to me.  I am a big pervert and a flirt because that is the way my host wanted me to be and wants me to be.  So sex for me is like mostly my host enjoying a fantasy about me and sex.  Plain and simple.

Note: Please no graphic NSFW.  Keep your answers general and not too dirty.
I think it's the attention and affection. It's bonding and helps to develop them. I would say in my opinion, but I don't really find such a statement to be subjective. The sum vividness and development of a tulpa is primarily caused by the level of attention you give them, that and the quality of the attention (focus), all magnified by the quality of the mind exerting said focus. So I would say T(tulpa) = A(attention)xF(focus)xMA(mental aptitude of the host, variable depending on the task in which focus is being given). Sex is a high focus activity, it's engaging and lights up the host's brain, so it functions as time spend with your Tulpa. Since they thrive on attention, they enjoy such activities IF it is within the range of the relationship dynamic and consensual. This is kind of like the flip side of sex and sexual release, if you research it you will find that it is not taboo in some religions to have sexual experiences during prayer in a transcendental kind of way. To them they believe that the energy of such an encounter is great, and a kind of sacrament and show of union with the diety in question. On the more metaphysical side, there is commonly a belief that sexual energy is intense and can be workable into useful purposes and ritual.
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#17
Why do tulpas get horny/want sex if they have no real physical body, biological drive or sex organs?

Excuse me? I am subject to the body's hormones, too.  I have a real body, and this real body has sex organs that function. So, really, why wouldn't I have a sex drive? Plus, sex is awesome. Why wouldn't I want sex?

How is it that a tulpa can get any sexual satisfaction (climax) out of anything? Are they just making it up sortof like a day dream?

"Making it up"? Part of being a tulpa is that the imagination has a huge part on your experience of subjective reality, so, yes, it's "made up," but it feels real, just like Wonderland, except this time it's a sensation of pleasure instead of those of sight, sound, etc. Aren't you the one who's all about imagination in the first place?

Also, if I'm possessing/switching, I can feel the body's orgasm, and that's definitely not being made up.

Is tulpa sex even real in any way at all or is it just a fantasy?

Depends on how you have sex. If you keep it in wonderland, you can technically call it a "fantasy" even though it feels real to the participants. If you do it bodily, like through possession or switching, then it's about as real as it gets. Imposition is something that blurs the line between fantasy and reality, so I'd say it's both. In any case, if it feels real to the participants, why does it matter? It's getting into subjective reality, and really, it's a deep topic, and I don't feel philosophical right now.

Is the host's will involved somehow making the tulpa want sex? Is the tulpa being influenced by the host's sexuality alone and what does that mean for tulpa independence?

I can't speak for other people's tulpas, but we have not influenced each other regarding sex. People like sex, and that can include tulpas. I don't think it's a hard concept to grasp. As for being influenced by the host's sexuality, I've seen tulpas that are attracted to different things than their host, even in my own system, so I don't think it says anything about a tulpas independence. Even if the host did influence their sexuality, I don't think that means they're somehow less independent. A tulpa's personality can be wholly crafted by the host, but that doesn't stop them from being independent people, in my opinion.

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(09-02-2016, 06:58 PM)Procron X Wrote: I can put the idea of pink elephants in your head, but that doesn't mean you're not independent from me.

Nah. That doesn't work on us. We're trained to think of blue elephants when completely not expecting it, and otherwise nothing at all. Nice try though.
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#19
I am not sure... I guess it's the connection they have with their human creators? Dotty says she finds me adorable, huggable, and that she feels the itch to do things with me. It's the same as with people and non-reproductive sex: Just to bond more with the other, and to feel cared-for and feel pleasure.
So, to conclude: I guess it feels nice for them just as for us.
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#20
I wonder if the sensation of sex is of any different for Tulpa. If they exist in a different dimension that could be the case, but if they exist within our minds maybe they feel what we feel?
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