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Why You Shouldn't Make a Tulpa, and Bad Practices
#31
This was... really great, thank you for making this. The more I know, the better. I'm gonna go ahead and show this to a friend, he has already started making a tulpa "to see if it works". I tried to reason with him and explain why he shouldn't, but this whole entry will do better. Thanks again for writing this.
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(05-01-2013, 04:16 AM)GentlemanWhale Wrote: See, I knew insta-tulpa, or as you stated, 'tulpa in a week' wasn't a true practice...
I have to admit one thing though, I am a bit bummed the sentience from the start thing isn't true. But I am glad that I learned about early on, and I still have a chance to fix things.
From what I understood, the "assuming sentience" was primarily a way to ease yourself into the concept of having multiple minds in one head, reduce doubt such as parrotnoia, as well as supporting the tulpa's concept of actually being a consciousness.

Pretty much like narration, from what I understand, is simply the act of conversing with the tulpa for the sake of talking to it and treating it as you would a friend in meatspace.

As for the personality thing, I'd assume that tulpas especially early-in-development could be "redesigned" although you might be better off discussing--or at least explaining--what changes you'd like to make with the tulpa and why. It seems like the proper thing to do with an equal, which is arguably how you should be treating a tulpa in the first place, rather than as a thing to be created and reshaped at your whim.
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(05-01-2013, 04:37 AM)Space Cat Wrote: From what I understood, the "assuming sentience" was primarily a way to ease yourself into the concept of having multiple minds in one head, reduce doubt such as parrotnoia, as well as supporting the tulpa's concept of actually being a consciousness.

Pretty much like narration, from what I understand, is simply the act of conversing with the tulpa for the sake of talking to it and treating it as you would a friend in meatspace.

As for the personality thing, I'd assume that tulpas especially early-in-development could be "redesigned" although you might be better off discussing--or at least explaining--what changes you'd like to make with the tulpa and why. It seems like the proper thing to do with an equal, which is arguably how you should be treating a tulpa in the first place, rather than as a thing to be created and reshaped at your whim.

No no no, I didn't mean for it to sound like that. I don't believe a tulpa is a thing, I believe that a tulpa is a fully sentient being, like you or I. But I'm saying, I was deluding myself into actually thinking the tulpa I created almost a week ago was now fully sentient, after practically no forcing sessions. It's because I was misunderstanding the 'assume sentience at day one' as 'your tulpa is sentient at day one'. I was planning on making the changes the way you just said, But now I will know my tulpa isn't really sentient yet, and probably won't be for a while.
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(05-01-2013, 04:16 AM)GentlemanWhale Wrote: See, I knew insta-tulpa, or as you stated, 'tulpa in a week' wasn't a true practice. Since I've been here, and I heard about all this 'sentient from the start' stuff, I was doubting that it actually was true. I mean, it simply can't be a true practice, it's impossible! No matter how much you force, you wont be able to make a complex, fully sentient being in a week. My guess is, it would probably take a month or so, but maybe not even then. Thank you for this information, I think I will go back to using the old methods, but I'll still act like my tulpa is sentient, because it does seem like it promotes faster sentience.

I have to admit one thing though, I am a bit bummed the sentience from the start thing isn't true. But I am glad that I learned about early on, and I still have a chance to fix things.

This is exactly what I was afraid of. Don't assume your tulpa will take a month. Don't assume it will take any specific amount of time! To make a tulpa you need to trick your brain into thinking you have one. If you think you don't have one because it hasn't been long enough, your mind will reject any responses the tulpa gives. This is why hour counts are poison, and why assuming sentience works. The faster you convince yourself your tulpa is sentient, whether it currently is or isn't, the faster it will be. My tulpa said her first words the night of day 6. It's not about time, it's about tricking yourself!

PS:This isn't the only issue I have with this guide, but I'll discuss it more when I'm not on my iPod.
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(05-01-2013, 04:56 AM)GentlemanWhale Wrote: No no no, I didn't mean for it to sound like that. I don't believe a tulpa is a thing, I believe that a tulpa is a fully sentient being, like you or I. But I'm saying, I was deluding myself into actually thinking the tulpa I created almost a week ago was now fully sentient, after practically no forcing sessions. It's because I was misunderstanding the 'assume sentience at day one' as 'your tulpa is sentient at day one'. I was planning on making the changes the way you just said, But now I will know my tulpa isn't really sentient yet, and probably won't be for a while.

I dont think you should assume that it isnt. My Tuplas were sentient from day one and day two. With my second I'd only done one programming session of just over 25mins (with also a little bit of time cutting pictures out of mags of what I wanted his body parts to look like) before he become sentient. My first.. became sentient before I even started working on her.. all I had done is was thinking of creating her.

My latest who is sixteen days? old.. can talk well (when he decides to do so), he's been talking since day 2 and also uses his intiutive at times doing the completely unexpected, he's even helped me with things a couple of times now (once when not even asked).
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Maybe you should check out the post on this site in which someone ended up with two Tuplas as they did what you are about to do... this is probably more likely to happen if you doubt your Tulpas sentience, thinking he's nothing at this point you need to worry about as after all he's not sentient. right? That thou could be a big wrong.

I think this is the whole point of their thread.. people shouldnt be jumping into making Tulpas without putting a lot of thought into it and knowing exactly what they want. No one should be doing this as its a "cool" thing to do or cool experiement to try.
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There is more to this stuff then just tricking the brain.. if that is all which had to happen.. why then do some get Tulpas who are sentient well before they thought it would happen. I know many of us have been surprised at how fast it happened. Even thou my first was sentiient unusually fast, I still wasnt expecting my second to be extremely fast too (I kept thinking my first was some kind of fluke) but it was.
Jesse (human male) DOB 16th April 2013
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#36
I don't actually wanted to do the insta tulpa much but, lo and behold, everyone apart from Chloe is pretty much insta tulpa. Though I'd say I have spent enough time with them to the point that it doesn't matter if they are tulpa or not.

Also, I stopped updating my PR since last year because I realized that I'm just being attention whore in some post. I also realized that:

If your progress is normal, everything went as expected.
Nothing new was contributed to the forum, and most people just turned a blind eye to your PR.

If your progress have a strange, unconventional method and weird results.
Nothing new would be contributed, as 90% of other poster would call you RPer

Believe me, if I had reported how Aigis, Vixen and Labrys were created. Everyone would call me a role player.

And why does everyone trying to point out RPer? It's because everyone wanted to get rid of them. And this conflict stems from the fact that there's an RPer in here at the first place.

This is why I wanted this shit posted on the homepage. All these mothefucker roleplayer attention son of a whore need to stop coming here. At least what JDvar posted would be the first step.
Chloe - That cheerful girl with ponytail.
Aigis - The male cyborg that looks like raiden in MGR.
Vixen - Half dragon female who looks like Mary in DMC3 when in human form.
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#37
Which is why it baffles me RPers are even persecuted (unless they're doing something particularly out there... and even then it's not really fair because one can't simply prove another is RPing based solely off of what they type). I mean, unless they're obviously trolling, RPers shouldn't even be pointed out. And if their PR is ignored because of suspicion of RPing, so be it. It's their experiance, and if they want a tulpa, they'll get a tulpa. If they don't, they don't. Simple as that, as long as what they type about doesn't make our community look bad.
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#38
The problem I have with roleplayers is, when they claim something new or different, that now becomes part of our aggregate data. If roleplayer claims "I did X and Y happened", now when people ask about X, everyone says "yeah but watch out because Y can happen.". It throws off our knowledge about tulpas, and that's a serious offense as far as I'm concerned.

Remember when we thought falling asleep during forcing was a terrible no-no, based on the account of TOG's tulpa? It's like that, except instead of being misinformed by a fluke case, we're misinformed because of deliberate deception by someone manipulating our community for attention. That's terrible in my mind. Ban-worthy, if I had a say in it (and if roleplayers were easier to determine).
Astral project on my face, brother!
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#39
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I want everyone to know that I strongly appreciate the care that JD has invested here. This is how it is done, people. The original post is informative, organized, and above all composed in a way that delivers the message clearly. On a site in which almost all of the guides would have been graded as failing in any high school level English class, composition is a rare and recognition-worthy achievement. In support of excellent posting like this, I should refrain from posting any negative comments. Others have already breeched the subject in this thread, however, so I will endever to summarize our objections in as clear of a manner as the original message. Here goes -- the originl central premise of the original post in this thread is problematic. Any reason for creating a tulpa that any creator has ever given will when given as much scrutiny appear incorrect. Under these circumstances, there are no good reasons for a tulpa to be created. We thank you, JD.
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(05-01-2013, 11:43 AM)Scott Z Wrote: Any reason for creating a tulpa that any creator has ever given will when given as much scrutiny appear incorrect. Under these circumstances, there are no good reasons for a tulpa to be created.

This seems like reductio ad absurdium to me. Not all reasons for creating a tulpa, when given equal scrutiny, can be found to be as harmful to the tulpa or relationship between tulpa and host as the ones JD decided to scrutinize. Creating a tulpa as a sex doll is much more likely to cause sadness and distress than creating one as a companion. You could argue there are no perfect reasons for creating a tulpa, but certainly some are better than others, and some are outright irresponsible.
Astral project on my face, brother!
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