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The accepted standard English plural for the word tulpa is tulpas, yes. Someone might tell you otherwise, but they clearly don't know what they're talking about. There's also a funny plural war at wiktionary now and then when some "tulpae" enthusiasts try to put the plural there and it gets taken down after a while.

Really, they should be going for tulpaeiis, the best plural.


Your… Terminology list is honestly a step back. Most of these terms are not used in your guide nor do they offer anything in addition really, so it's clutter. If you really want to keep it, I'd move it to the bottom and if you're afraid people won't understand some of the terms you used, write something like "explanation at the bottom" somewhere. Or just put the terms you actually use at the top and other terms at the bottom, if you want to keep them? This should probably be kept inside a toggle hidden tag due to its length and how it's not exactly related to your guide.

I'm not completely opposed to it being its own submission. We do already have a glossary, though it's so old-fashioned and should be updated, so I'm glad it's kinda buried under everything. Could be our next project! Tulpa.io is a very... Questionable source.

Why is everything hidden behind a hidden tag, though? It is bothersome and we should be able to just scroll down, especially when this is not a long guide. I assume you took a look at another recent guide which used this style. They used it because it was an extremely long guide and you might want to easily be able to jump around. For your guide, you really should not use this.

Some terminology help:

"Host" is used to mean the original in tulpa.info.

"Tulpa" means anything after the original here. Not every tulpa is necessarily created as there are accidental ones too – though yes, a tulpa can create a tulpa.

We don't use "system" to refer to ourselves, that's usually done by people who come in from other communities. We're just "people", really. You can join my The THE SUBCONCIOUS ochinchin occultists frt.sys if you want to, though.


Not sure if we missed these the first time or if you just rewrote these, sorry!

>Start with imagining, with your eyes close, an apple in.
So many withs and unnecessary commas. "Start imagining an apple with your eyes closed", yes?

>Now, try without moving your arm or hand in real life, imagine a hand grabbing the apple, and imagine that it’s your hand.

Imagine that what is my hand? Probably that it is in my hand? After the second comma you should probably go "imagine a hand grabbing an apple and hold it in your hand"?

>Imagine them with you in wonderland, you can make a form for them if you want, and mostly start by talking with them in wonderland.

This sentence still reads weird with the random "you can make a form for them if you want" in the middle. But I think that's the commas. Something like >Imagine them with you in your/the wonderland (you can make a form for them if you want) and mostly start by talking with them in wonderland. already reads better in my mind? Though possibly rewording or splitting this into two sentences might be better. The your/the is there because you kinda need one of the two before "wonderland".

Don't insert your personal mini rant in the spoiler box! Switching part is great now, thanks.


Overall, I think this is looking pretty good now. Just those few things to think about, though the terminology and hidden tag boxes are some bigger things to worry about. I think they're honestly making this worse, but if you really want to keep all this, I don't think it's really worthy of a disapproval. Another GAT member might think differently, though.

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(02-14-2017, 09:01 PM)Sands Wrote: Your… Terminology list is honestly a step back. Most of these terms are not used in your guide nor do they offer anything in addition really, so it's clutter. If you really want to keep it, I'd move it to the bottom and if you're afraid people won't understand some of the terms you used, write something like "explanation at the bottom" somewhere. Or just put the terms you actually use at the top and other terms at the bottom, if you want to keep them? This should probably be kept inside a toggle hidden tag due to its length and how it's not exactly related to your guide.

I'm not completely opposed to it being its own submission. We do already have a glossary, though it's so old-fashioned and should be updated, so I'm glad it's kinda buried under everything. Could be our next project! Tulpa.io is a very... Questionable source.

Some terminology help:

"Host" is used to mean the original in tulpa.info.

"Tulpa" means anything after the original here. Not every tulpa is necessarily created as there are accidental ones too – though yes, a tulpa can create a tulpa.

We don't use "system" to refer to ourselves, that's usually done by people who come in from other communities. We're just "people", really.
K: I did the hidden tags for it to be easier for others to scroll to where they may need to go, wasn't sure it was a problem. The terminology seems to bounce around in the community. One source says one thing, one says another, and soon you have 4 definitions for 1 word. I do hope you guys do clear it up, and people actually read it. As for moving my glossary to the bottom, I likely will. I was just lazy and added it on top, so my bad there.
S: Honestly, about tulpa.io being questionable, it at least has a decent glossary, even if the terminology for a few things conflict with what its defined here. Yet even in the tulpa.info glossary, the term seems to be put in very vaguely, and it seems this really is the only place that uses host as being the original in all cases. I would like a clear official guide that isn't vague or shortened before I can really do much else with terminology.
S: I will try to fix the unnecessary commas, Kyle and I both kinda type weird at times. I don't know what exactly caused that. And system is likely still going to be in the guide as I don't want to go through Kyles botched up typing to try and figure out how to paraphrase that.
K: Don't worry, I'm not going to actually put a rant in the spoiler. Its just a small little joke as that kinda was where the very unecessary paragraph was and it was kinda ranty. No rant there, just an inside joke kinda.

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02-14-2017, 09:19 PM
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As a cohesive whole, your guide reads better without the tags. Imagine if books had hidden tags and you had to keep opening them to continue the story!

Tulpa.io kinda includes everything, for better or worse. True that about us needing a better glossary. You had some good definitions, though we might want to mark the ones that come from other communities and aren't tulpa.info native words if you decide to ever submit this to .info folks! Though then we would definitely want to lessen the use of "system" because we really don't do that, hah.

If you ever want to work on getting this place a better glossary, we can whine to the admin-folks and see what we can do, yeah? No need to worry about it now or try to rush things, just in case if you ever feel like it.


might want to remove the spoiler tag "rant" in a later revision because people who weren't there when it happened wouldn't understand!

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K: I am aware .io includes everything, but until a new glossary is made, thats all I really got. May look into asking about it being worked on.
S: I will remove the spoiler and 'insert rant here' joke on the definitive 1.0 of the thing, when I believe that most of the problems are sorted out. Next release is going to be .97 out of the sake of glossary still needs work, as said. That and I will remove the other rant of his in his glossary thing on 1.0 as well.

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A shortcut you can take with writing a guide is linking to an external glossary to answer any questions people may have about your obscure words. It is my opinion that many of the words you are defining have been subject to linguistic drift.

Hey, um, I think you should let Sam proofread your updates for grammar problems.

modern or legacy?:
Host- Cannot say whether sands definition is still current or not. Host may also refer to any person who makes a tulpa. Rarely, a person who is primary in the system. (Word is sometimes deprecated. Do not use without permission on another.)

Tulpa- standard definition.

System- standard definition. But worded oddly.

Form- I believe the standard english word is standard.

Imposition- standard definition.

Parallel Processing- One of the standard definitions. Yours is actually an advanced form, and parallel processing can have broader coverage.

Parroting/Puppeting- I don't think the terms are that interchangeable anymore.

Possession- Odd definition. I'd double check that.

Switching- Almost definitely incorrect. Especially by sands' legacy definition, which places switching as a host skill. By imported plurality standards, switching refers to a change in presence in the front. Body control is a possession thing. The modern definition is likely more permissive and does not require that a person detach from the senses.

Front- Heard it defined this way. However, it is ambiguous whether imposed states are also included in the front.

Original- this is the only definition.

Co-Fronting- standard definition.

Tulpish- I have also heard the definiton: Communication in forms other than words.

Merging- I have yet to run across someone who used merging as a form of blending, but this is the standard definition.

Forcing- I think the standard definition does not include self-forcing. I honestly have not paid attention to the exact meaning of this word.

Dissociation- This is a term from psychology. The term does not include passing control from one system member to another.

Host comments in italics. Tulpa's log. Tulpa's guide.
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I am doing my best to proofread, but I also am not too good at it.
The fact that you gave separate definitions for switching and all does kinda prove the point that Kyle made about people having multiple different definitions, especially since how you have it defined, eclipsing could almost fall under switching. That's why what we have is going to stay as it is until there is a definitive glossary for .info.
In other news, V 0.97 is out. We will keep the glossary as-is until .info has a definitive glossary, as I don't want to keep going back and changing it because of a few discrepancies in what a person thinks a host or switching is. If you disagree, don't yell at us. We both here have been trying hard to get it to work the best we can.
Also an outside glossary is linked in the first paragraph of the glossary. It leads to the tulpa.io glossary. And again I will only change that all once .info has a better glossary.

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First, "When two or system members can" typo on parallel processing. Second, "System" definition is iffy, mostly because you used the term consciousness. I don't think the definition is incorrect, but it's like the problem with calling tulpas "sentient" - it just bugs some people to talk about things that are unprovable, ie whether tulpas have their own "consciousness" or share their host's or whatever. Maybe leaving out the "complex" definition and just saying something like "Collective term for all members of the body" would be best.

The definitions otherwise seem fine to me. I dunno about the somewhat fringe stuff you added on after the base definitions, depends on how touchy people wanna be, but I'll leave that to them. The disclaimer is enough, in my opinion. Possession definition is perfect. Other definitions are influenced by other communities or just personal interpretations, but there's no reason to account for them here.

Trying to define switching is apparently a lost cause (if the given definition by tulpa.io is "incorrect"), but the definition has literally no reason to be complicated. The end result should have the tulpa "in the front", ie experiencing the body's senses as if they are the body as the host normally would, and the host in the mindspace/wonderland or wherever the tulpa normally inhabits. The host should then only be as aware of the front as the tulpa normally is themselves, else it's more like co-fronting or something.

Anyways, nothing wrong with the definition given for switching.

Hi. I'm one of Luminesce's tulpas. Unlike the others, I don't think I stand out too much from him personality wise.
I'm just special because "I'm a tulpa". So I don't think I've much to offer, here. I'm happy enough to just be with him.
Ask us stuff - https://community.tulpa.info/thread-ask-lumi-s-tulpas
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I know. What I am saying is defining your own words is optional. You can either (A) write them out using simpler words or (B) use someone else's glossary to save the hassle. Guides with their own glossaries are almost exclusively large, comprehensive guides.

You can also deflect responsibility by having a guide-only glossary, which is done through careful wording. Instead of saying "host means this" <-- standard glossary. You say "in this guide, host means this".

You may see phrases like "for the purposes of this guide" or inline definitions, like "host, or the person creating the tulpa,".

Host comments in italics. Tulpa's log. Tulpa's guide.
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(02-14-2017, 11:49 PM)Flandre Wrote: First, "When two or system members can" typo on parallel processing. Second, "System" definition is iffy, mostly because you used the term consciousness. I don't think the definition is incorrect, but it's like the problem with calling tulpas "sentient" - it just bugs some people to talk about things that are unprovable, ie whether tulpas have their own "consciousness" or share their host's or whatever. Maybe leaving out the "complex" definition and just saying something like "Collective term for all members of the body" would be best.

Anyways, nothing wrong with the definition given for switching either. Clarifying that it requires the previous fronter to be disconnected from the senses is unnecessarily complicated but, unfortunately, necessarily included. Because no two people can agree on its definition otherwise.

The definitions here are copied and somewhat trimmed from the tulpa.io glossary. And the fact no-one can agree on a single definition for switching is why I am leaving in that one for now. Im sorry if that at all makes it seem like I am ignoring you about the definition, but I can't change it on a whim. Again once .info does something for a better glossary, that's when that all will change.
Also darn-it, I am not good at proofreading.
(02-14-2017, 11:58 PM)tulpa001 Wrote: I know. What I am saying is defining your own words is optional. You can either (A) write them out using simpler words or (B) use someone else's glossary to save the hassle.

You can also deflect responsibility by having a guide-only glossary, which is done through careful wording. Instead of saying "host means this" <-- standard glossary. You say "in this guide, host means this".

We get that. May need to put that temporarily or something to avoid having an all-out war over what switching is. >.>

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I said the definition was fine in my opinion, was just saying why some might have a problem with it.

If I absolutely must, I can proof read the rest of the guide for you. That's a whole lot that I'm not interested in reading personally, but if you actually care about removing typos then I will.

Hi. I'm one of Luminesce's tulpas. Unlike the others, I don't think I stand out too much from him personality wise.
I'm just special because "I'm a tulpa". So I don't think I've much to offer, here. I'm happy enough to just be with him.
Ask us stuff - https://community.tulpa.info/thread-ask-lumi-s-tulpas
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