Would a barebones approach to a planning process work?
#1
Hello,
Sorry if I'm pestering any users with my questions

Just wondering how successful someone would be if they didn't plan out their tulpa's personality, form, or even wonderland. All they do is just focus on a bright blue light in their head and talk to it everyday-all day. Anyway, my reason for asking is that I would like have a tulpa. Now I don't want it to fulfill any sexual desires or use it as an emotional punching bag yadda yadda. All I would like is to have a constant companion that could potentially help me grow as an individual. After reading how other people adopted a barebones approach to making a tulpa, I thought it would only be morally right to let it develop on its own considering its part of me. Just my own views. But back to the subject, if all I do is go about my day talking internally about the various sights and experiences to a little blue orb and occasionally , could I expect a tulpa.
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#2
Yeah, you can get a tulpa without making a form, personality, or wonderland.
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#3
I understand that its possible, im curious about its advantages and disadvantages
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#4
Try reigning in your ethics if you want to go for a bare-bones approach. If you’re going to start trying to see what’s right and wrong, and listen to suggestions from others, you may be in a problematic situation where one suggestion is completely opposite to the other. In my opinion, there’s not really anything wrong if a host wants to focus on developing competency in one endeavor at a time. I used a pre-existing form for Ada and Eva, and have only been fixating on vocality and visualization for quite some time now, and doing other activities every now and then.

For me, it's easier to visualize, and associating communication with that, and there’s honestly nothing “morally” wrong for having to start somewhere (e.g. wondering about risks if your tulpa will feel insecure vs. doing something for the sake of a long compensating good of achieving breakthroughs). It’s not the end of the world if you don’t have all those aspects fitted in a neat package for your tulpa. Over time, all those things will develop, it’s just that you’ll have to learn how to assess them one step at a time, even if it means doing one aspect for a few days, and switching things around a bit.

Honestly, there’s not really major detriments or benefits to a bare-bones approach, other than how you apply your own psychology and morals on this endeavor.

Advantages:

- If you were going for a rudimentary form that’s easy to visualize, and wanted to go for being more receptive to them being vocal, it’s less pressure on you, since you just have to focus on getting better at something

- Over time, other aspects may start to blend into each other (e.g. when you can hear the tonality of their voice, and how they express themselves, it may contribute to how you may visualize them in things like their posture, their visage when saying certain things, and just their overall body language)

- Getting repetition in one or a few aspects as much as you can may contribute to eventually gaining unconscious competence, which is always a good thing if you want to gradually worry less about having to militantly concentrate so much

- The more you go through the self-fulfilling prophecy of treating them as sentient, and applying whatever means of symbolism, and what have you towards a certain form, the more likely you may be able to make some breakthroughs; everyone is different though of course, so not trying to create false hopes here.

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Disadvantages:

- If you’re the type of person that wants variety, performing repetitive tasks for few goals for so long might bore you

- If you have a tendency to be militant on morals, and decency of your tulpa (which seems kind of weird if things in general would take a while to develop), your conscience might start getting on you

- If you’re the type of person that may get intimidated when there hasn’t been much results for quite some time (which may prompt you to do the first point in this list of “disadvantages”), that’s something else to consider

- Worst case scenario, if you’re so fixated on a rudimentary form for so long, and your tulpa wants to deviate, if you didn’t spend much time with developing competencies for visualization, depending on your overall skill level and all that, it may be like going back to the drawing board, except this time, you have a vocal tulpa to communicate with in this circumstance

Honestly, there’s not really any “disadvantages” that will stagnant progress so significantly, it’s not like you’re required to be a multidimensional expert with a repertoire of skills and competencies to contribute in developing to your tulpa’s existence; unless someone comes in and states they’ve achieved tulpa godhood, and wants to impose dogma to you on what’s absolutely right and wrong, I think you’re just as fine the way you’re trying to plan things out because everyone has to start somewhere.

Also, nothing wrong with wanting a tulpa as someone that can offer vicarious insight, and can help with strife-filled experiences, and becoming a better person with them. Obviously, you already have the ability to reciprocate to anything that they may contribute anyway. What you want to do with your tulpa is up to you two, don’t let our own pragmatism get in your way.
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#5
I can never take these "I want to let it choose it's everything" people seriously. It's like those people who think babies should decide their sexuality.
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#6
Well, the disadvantages would be that your tulpa doesn't have a form and you don't have a wonderland, but these can obviously be changed in the future if you decide to use them. The advantage would be less work, sure, but that doesn't mean you should do less with the other shit.

If you don't really care about defining a personality for your tulpa and you're happy with whatever it turns out to be (doubt that it'd be bad, but still) then skip it. I can't think of any disadvantages for that.

I would still recommend doing the shit, though, as it keeps you working on the tulpa instead of just narration.
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#7
Thank you all for responding so quickly,
I'm afraid I might of made myself seem like I follow my personal beliefs to the line. I can see why people choose their own, I just think its a bit,well, odd I guess. And also I'm not saying im against personality or form forcing I'm just curious to see how making a tulpa without it would work. To be honest I just feel I may be more comfortable talking to my self all the time, rather than spending several hours repeating traits and emotions that I want over and over again. But again thank you for providing useful feedback that ill hopefully utilize to the best degree.

(04-21-2014, 09:52 PM)Coparei Wrote: Well, the disadvantages would be that your tulpa doesn't have a form and you don't have a wonderland, but these can obviously be changed in the future if you decide to use them. The advantage would be less work, sure, but that doesn't mean you should do less with the other shit.

If you don't really care about defining a personality for your tulpa and you're happy with whatever it turns out to be (doubt that it'd be bad, but still) then skip it. I can't think of any disadvantages for that.

I would still recommend doing the shit, though, as it keeps you working on the tulpa instead of just narration.

Your thoughts exactly, thing is im just horribly bad at multi-tasking so I was planning to make a wonderland after I make some progress.

(04-21-2014, 09:50 PM)Bin Wrote: I can never take these "I want to let it choose it's everything" people seriously. It's like those people who think babies should decide their sexuality.

I apologize if I came across intense in sharing my personal beliefs. I just think deciding a form for your tulpa is like choosing a form for your hands. Just a bit, unnatural I guess.
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#8
Kevin has five tulpas. The first four were made without using a wonderland (though he had one) or form. Personality though, was chosen. That worked out o.k. eventually.
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