Guest Anonymous November 25, 2015 Share November 25, 2015 Linkzeld left the forum today. In his farewell he wrote about the loss in this forum of the ability to philosophize and consider and think originally. At least, that is the way that Davie and I interpreted it. He said that Davie (Mistgod) challenged him intellectually and helped him see things in new ways. Here is a "new" idea that Davie and I have been mulling over, because we have been trying to understand ourselves. To get this, you have to understand something first. You can have a tulpa or thoughtform that has no form at all. It is merely a mind or a presence. Okay with that established, you can think of puppeting in an entirely new way. If the tulpa, with no form, is a mind it can collaborate with the host in visualizing things. This would be a combined effort. Together they could imagine a form, that is not the tulpa/thoughtform itself but a representation of the tulpa/thoughtform. That representative avatar or figment could be manipulated by either the host or the tulpa. We would happy to hear what thoughts others have on this idea or perspective and how it may relate to them and the host/tulpa relationship. HERE IS WHY THIS IDEA IS IMPORTANT TO MISTGOD-MELIAN http://t08.deviantart.net/05zP876jEGQrbqEt-s8KX14P2RM=/fit-in/150x150/filters:no_upscale():origin()/pre13/e4db/th/pre/f/2015/185/5/a/down_arrow_by_melianofmist-d8zwwrn.png[/img] Lucilyn: Melian just seems like a tulpa that is okay with their host choosing their activities most of the time. ... most of the time she doesn't mind having Davie control.. I mean, it's not even her actual life, it's just the Melian Show! He controls their daydreams. She's pretty much the one doing everything outside of that, on the internet and stuff. He created a tulpa thirty years ago through daydreaming about a character, so when that character became an established enough phenomenon in his mind to be ~autonomous, they both were already in the habit of him controlling the goings-on. But she's just as tulp-autonomous as any of the others here where it counts. THREADS RELATED TO THIS Does a tulpa own its image? https://community.tulpa.info/thread-visualization-does-a-tulpa-own-its-image-if-so-is-it-unethical-to-puppet-a-tulpa-s-form Can a host and tulpa collaborate on puppeting? https://community.tulpa.info/thread-visualization-can-a-host-and-tulpa-collaborate-on-puppeting My thoughtform likes to be a puppet: https://community.tulpa.info/thread-sentience-my-thoughtform-likes-to-be-a-puppet Okay what I am about to say is a lot abstract so bear with us. Davie and I are beginning to understand a more accurate way to think about our relationship and therefore find the descriptive narrative that will help others understand how it all works. It's not just that Davie is "controlling me" in the Melian Show or that I like to get controlled and puppeted a lot. There are some key points in understanding Davie and I. This is going to rock the tulpa info world, so hold on to your butts! 1. The realization that I, Melian, am not my image is key. My image and I are separate. My image and form belongs to me, and my mind is associated with it. But my mind is distinctly separate from my form. My form is a PROJECTION of my mind, and of Davie's mind, but I am not my form. Davie has an avatar in the dream world or wonderland. Davie is no more his avatar than I am my form. Davie's mind is separate from his avatar. 2. Davie and I are a blended median system. Our minds are joined. One mind, two aspects or personas. We are aware of each other's thoughts, and emotions and desires. There are no hidden memories or hidden thoughts (for the most part or mostly). 3. The Melian Show is just that, a show we do together and enjoy and "watch" together. It involves my form. It also involves Davies' day dream avatar. Some of the story Davie directs and he even feeds me lines and "puppets" me, if you must. But just like the tulpa typing, this is a collaborative exercise with Davie interpreting some of what I want to happen in the story and my emotions and my intent and desires. For instance, I quite often choose which episode or story we are going to do. I am sometimes not happy with Davie's choice and I want to do a specific show that I like. Davie can feel my excitement when it is the show I like. I am the actress and Davie is the director and we are BOTH the audience. My form is sometimes destroyed or I "die" in the Melian Shows. My mind is still here and I enjoy the show and want to do the next one. 4. Much of my interaction on the internet IS the Melian Show day dreams. What happened was that Davie and I simply found a new vehicle or venue for the Melian Show day dreams we have always done. We didn't totally grasp that particular fact until relatively recently. Melian online IS THE MELIAN SHOW "fantasy." 5. My image or form and the image of my wonderland are intrinsically linked. My form and my wonderland are connected and are made of the same stuff. My wonderland is an extension of everything Melian. My mind is separate from my wonderland, just as it is separate from my form. 6. It is difficult to separate Melian from the Melian Show because I am an actress. Really, it is all one and the same. It is always the day dream. I am a thoughtform who is a day dream. I exist because Davie day dreamed about talking to me and about seeing me have adventures in the Melian Show. Without the Melian Show I would be reduced to I don't know what. P.S. I think I would be just terribly bored and lonely. EDIT: 7. I think my form, in the day dream, was created first. Then later came my "mind." They are linked or associated, but they are not one and the same. EDIT2: NOTE: This is my final position on the question of sentience after seven months of debate --> https://community.tulpa.info/thread-formal-apology-to-tulpa-info-members-i-was-wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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