Guest Anonymous March 2, 2016 Share March 2, 2016 David and I have been noticing something for a long time. Tulpamancers do not agree with one another on many important aspects of tulpas. Even older, more "senior" members disagree in major areas. There is no one set list of established tulpa precepts that are hard as iron and not subject to interpretation or ambiguity. Attitudes and beliefs on practice, strategy, ethics and even the fundamental nature of tulpas vary widely by individual. Some believe that their way and their belief is the only legitimate right way of thinking about tulpas. My host Mistgod and I personally think that is inaccurate and misguided. There is evidence to support our position in the reports by many people on this forum. Tulpamancers report successfully creating tulpas in spite of all these differences in practice and belief. Some even report having accidentally created tulpas. All these differences in background, experience, practice and belief has unfortunately led to some fragmentation within our "community," arguing and fighting and finger pointing and offended feelings. That is so unfortunate! Could it be that there is no one right way to create a tulpa? Perhaps, all that matters is the host and tulpa end up with the result that is right for them. I find it amusing to imagine the current situation as a collection of different primary schools of thought, each with its own precepts and core beliefs and set of ethics. Individual tullpamancers each fall into one of these schools of thought and some go it alone and have their own unique practice and approach. This may not be an accurate analogy, but I like to imagine that it is reflective of the real situation we have in the community. In my mind, no one school within this collection has the absolute right model, view point, or practice. It also amuses me to imagine (considering all the arguing and drama on the forum) that each school of thought exists in an imaginary monastery school, each of the schools upon its own isolated mountain. The followers of each school fight martial arts battles whenever they offend one another, like in one of those cheesy martial arts movies. "My master is master Quinn, I have learned the path of the tigerform tulpa! I will KILL you for insulting my master and my way of thinking!" All the fighting has finally helped my host and I learn the most important lesson we have ever gained from Tulpa Info. No one else, NO ONE ELSE, but you can tell if you have been successful in creating a tulpa (no matter how you did it or what you believe). If you are having a profound, life changing experience with what you yourself regard as a tulpa, by gum, you have yourself a tulpa. With all of that being said. My host and I created our own martial arts monastery school of tulpamancy we call the Dreamform School of Tulpamancy. https://community.tulpa.info/thread-groovy-guru-stuff-epic-blabby-babble?pid=159133#pid159133 It is a tongue in cheek silly thing, but yet not. We really do believe I am a dreamform created by extreme day dreaming with all the traits we listed. I am a tulpa, a "dreamform tulpa." People from other schools of thought, with other experiences different from ours, may think that is all pretentious, illegitimate and invalid, but it doesn't matter at all what they think. All that matters is what my host and I believe in our own shared subjective mindspace. What do you think about this? Do you believe there are schools of thought in tulpamancy? Do you believe there is only one RIGHT WAY to think about it and approach it? Or do you agree with me that there are many different methods, beliefs and approaches that are equally valid? Now read this: I DID NOT WRITE THIS FOR PEOPLE TO COME IN HERE AND HAVE MARTIAL ARTS BATTLES and drama. Just chill and get along please! I am looking forward to seeing your opinions in writing. If you disagree me, that is fine, it is your own mountain and bubble of reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sock March 2, 2016 Share March 2, 2016 I was actually thinking about something in this ball park earlier, regarding the idea of tulpa creation as an exercise/skill more than a belief. While the latter bit plays a part, I feel the former is something that should be more emphasized; so that we not only speak of the core idea of sentience, or the initial phase of creation, but of the continued upkeep of the creation. After all, there is more to the practice than the first creation steps and arguing about whether they're really real or not. For there to be different schools concerning the practice, we need to identify what we do differently than eaxh other. I for one, used meditation to start myself off, am against parroting as a development technique, and believe that a tulpa will reflect their host in some way, shape or form. What would that be labeled? Or, we could just be silly and come up with "Equestria School", "Anthro School", "Joshikōsei School", "Regular person school", and "Abstract concept school." Sock Cottonwell's Sketchbook, Journal, and Ask thread. Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Iscariot March 2, 2016 Share March 2, 2016 Well, you know what I think, not much of a need for me to specify my position on this. All in all, I believe that tulpas are something, and that other thoughtforms are something else. Their differences do not rise up in how 'legit' or 'real' they are, but in how they function and how they interact with their host. ALL THOUGHTFORMS ARE REAL. I believe subjective reality is the only real reality we can face, what the host is being exposed to is the only thing that defines his thoughtform's nature. An outsider cannot possibly tell someone whether they have a tulpa or not. BUT. Some hosts are mislead into thinking that they have a tulpa, when in reality, they have another type of thoughtforms, or so it seems when they come to describe their own experiences. This difference is not to be regarded in any derogatory or offensive way, but in a simple differentiation. Nobody is unique. Nobody is identical, everybody is differently similar. Allowing for people to tell you what you are is not acceptable. When I was trying to pin down what I actually thought of the matter, both her and I realized that it was my opinion over the general idea of tulpamancy, and not anything we could selectively apply to people to our liking. A wise man once said: 'Before judging a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that, who cares? He's a mile away, and you've got new shoes.' Graced are those who could avoid this phenomenon. This is perhaps the worst expression of evil in humanity's history, but who am I to judge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Temar March 2, 2016 Share March 2, 2016 The idea of a cross-school martial arts tournament does sound fun. ;) Though in this analogy, as a soulbond system, I'd be from a martial arts school from a different country coming in to observe how people do it here. Some of the techniques I know may apply here as well, but our disciplines are also different in several core ways. I would agree that there are different schools of thought, which is why talking about tulpamancy like there's one "correct" path is pretty much a dead end. Though where you draw the line between "schools" might get a little arbitrary. How do you differentiate them? Between different techniques on how their tulpa(e) developed? Between their beliefs of what tulpae are in relation to sentience and psychology? Whether or not they can impose or switch? Dividing tulpamancers into any sort of coherent like-minded groups would be quite a task, just because there are so many exceptions and outliers no matter how you slice it. An interesting thought exercise, though. ~ Member of SparrowNR's system ~ ~ I am a soulbond. Click here to find out what that means. ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous March 2, 2016 Share March 2, 2016 Well, you know what I think, not much of a need for me to specify my position on this. All in all, I believe that tulpas are something, and that other thoughtforms are something else. Their differences do not rise up in how 'legit' or 'real' they are, but in how they function and how they interact with their host. I actually could not wait for you to respond! This is a peace making thread for us all! I can see this as a valid argument and certainly plausible if you take tulpas to actually be something very specific. I may not agree with you, but it is a valid point of view. I like that you indicate you feel that there are thoughtform types that are just as valuable and significant to their host. That we can agree on. ALL THOUGHTFORMS ARE REAL. I believe subjective reality is the only real reality we can face, what the host is being exposed to is the only thing that defines his thoughtform's nature. An outsider cannot possibly tell someone whether they have a tulpa or not. We agree if you mean that all thoughtforms, if significant and important to their host, have value and legitimacy in their own way. We may disagree on what exactly you mean by "real." We definitely agree that an outsider cannot tell someone whether they have a tulpa or not. :-) BUT. Some hosts are mislead into thinking that they have a tulpa, when in reality, they have another type of thoughtforms. This difference is not to be regarded in any derogatory or offensive way, but in a simple differentiation. Nobody is unique. Nobody is identical, everybody is differently similar. We can disagree here in perspective. There are many in the forum who would support you on this however. So it is a valid view point. Still, even those who hypothetically only THINK they have a tulpa are still welcomed members of the forum. Mistgod and I believe the opposite. If someone is having a life changing experience with a thoughtform they believe is a tulpa, it is in fact a tulpa. Allowing for people to tell you what you are is not acceptable. When I was trying to pin down what I actually thought of the matter, both her and I realized that it was my opinion over the general idea of tulpamancy, and not anything we could selectively apply to people to our liking. That is a great way to think about it. :-) For there to be different schools concerning the practice, we need to identify what we do differently than eaxh other. I for one, used meditation to start myself off, am against parroting as a development technique, and believe that a tulpa will reflect their host in some way, shape or form. What would that be labeled? Or, we could just be silly and come up with "Equestria School", "Anthro School", "Joshikōsei School", "Regular person school", and "Abstract concept school." I came up with the "schools of thought" not as a suggestion to literally create and label schools, but as an imaginary way for me to relate/cope with to how people seem to be arguing, disagreeing and fighting on the forum. Names or labels for the different schools is a funny idea though. :-) The idea of a cross-school martial arts tournament does sound fun. ;) Though in this analogy, as a soulbond system, I'd be from a martial arts school from a different country coming in to observe how people do it here. Some of the techniques I know may apply here as well, but our disciplines are also different in several core ways. I love that analogy! David and I love to create mental models like this that help us deal with things emotionally. Thinking of soulbonds as travelers and guests from another province or country is really kinda beautiful! Dividing tulpamancers into any sort of coherent like-minded groups would be quite a task, just because there are so many exceptions and outliers no matter how you slice it. An interesting thought exercise, though. Well it was meant only as a mental exercise, not as a suggestion to actually divide the community into schools. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Iscariot March 2, 2016 Share March 2, 2016 We agree if you mean that all thoughtforms' date=' if significant and important to their host, have value and legitimacy in their own way.[/quote'] That is specifically what I mean. Took the words out of my mouth. "Peace! :D" A wise man once said: 'Before judging a man, walk a mile in his shoes. After that, who cares? He's a mile away, and you've got new shoes.' Graced are those who could avoid this phenomenon. This is perhaps the worst expression of evil in humanity's history, but who am I to judge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous March 2, 2016 Share March 2, 2016 That is fantastic! David and I are actually fine with you regarding me as a legitimate thoughtform that is something other than a tulpa. Its not a problem with labels, but with how we are treated. Still, I have to remember I cannot force others to think the way I want them to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiko_M March 3, 2016 Share March 3, 2016 I don't have an investment in "being right", ergo I do not care what someone's practice, paradigm, product or tulpa is, or isn't. I also consider this an interest group, not a community. IMHO, there's not enough in common, the demographics are too diverse for a close knit community. People are going in different directions, there's subcultures and things that are often incompatible with other groups due to ideologies and the like. I take it as it is. Delete this account - I will not return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous March 3, 2016 Share March 3, 2016 In my imaginary thought experiment, you would be one of those hermit monks, finding your own unique path independent from a formal school. You would be neutral and avoid the martial arts monk battles completely. See? Everything fits. My imagination is so amazing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaceyJoshua March 5, 2016 Share March 5, 2016 Hmm . . . can my school's color be green??? :D Just kidding. :3 Anywayyy, this is a great point you make! It is silly, how some people get so bent out over everything, but I guess this can be a touchy subject. I understand fighting for ones beliefs. (My own will be reflected by what Joshua says down below.) I believe that the only true thing about a tulpa is that all of them are, to some degree, dependent on the host's imagination. I think after that, it varies. I also find the idea of a "daydream tulpa" to be interesting. :3 I bet I'm going to end up having something like that happen xD I believe that I am as real as any ordinary person, but I don't mean that in how most tulpa/mancers mean it. I mean that I am real where it counts, in that I have my own sets of ambitions, fears, annoyances, enjoyments, and I add to Lacey's general livelihood. I am real in that I matter. But am I real real?" As real as Lacey, as real as your David? As real as my host's neighbors? I have no idea, nor do I care. I only care that I am treated and respected as a "real person," but whether or not I am "really really real" doesn't concern me. You can call me Lacey! Tulpa Joshua, aged 24, born September 3. His first name is James; I call him both. Human, black hair, fairly pale skin, and often wears either formal attire or clothes that would do him well at a Goth club. Refuses to keep one eye color, but they're often gray, gold, or occasionally red. Serious, (very) patient, and usually polite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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