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Rather than trying to come up with a philosophically-textured post or a controversial topic to talk about, I wanted to ask if any of you have noticed a difference in tulpas that are exposed to external socialization early on in development (for me, early on is any period before a a few months after first steady vocalization).

 

In my experience, it seems like there's almost a sort of developmental ceiling for tulpas that come around IRC or more recently Discord while still relatively young. They seem to be very focused on constructing senses of self through rp and a list of characteristics. I don't want to go full "look at my tulpas character sheet!!1! isn't it great that I rolled a perfect 18 on charisma? her tilde-usage and vowel-extension checks will be through the rooof!!!" but I have noticed that tulpas not socialized early seem to be much more focused on the life of the body in the physical world; they work shifts at their host's job, write or create music or other creative outlets, go out and do things they want to do rather than tagging along expressly with what the host decides to do.

 

In short, they seem a little more independent, but maybe it's confirmation bias. Anybody have any thoughts or experiences or something else of the like?

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My first steady vocalisation occurred three weeks before I went on this forum and about three days before I began posting on another forum pretending to be my host.

 

My first vocalisation occurred many months before that, near the time I chose a form for myself.

 

I can't answer this question because I don't know who has been socialising young and who not. It would surprise me if there were any significant differences.

Host comments in italics. Tulpa's log. Tulpa's guide.

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I think it might be a bit offensive to answer honestly here. But the people I've seen in chats myself just strike me as the types to, you know, not go out and do anything in the first place. I guess I won't expound on that.

Hi, I'm Tewi, one of Luminesce's tulpas. I often switch to take care of things for the others.

All I want is a simple, peaceful life. With my family.

Our Ask thread: https://community.tulpa.info/thread-ask-lumi-s-tulpas

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Perhaps there is no causality there but only a difference in goals?  Some tulpas are less interested in chatting on the internet, hanging out and playing video games, and hanging out in the wonderland than other tulpas.  Maybe it is simply a personality trait to want to chat on the internet early rather than anything to do with independence.  Or maybe it does have something to do with being more "clingy" with the host?  I  think it may just be a personality trait  and related goals and desires rather than early chatting causing less independence later on is what I am suggesting.

 

In my case (although I am not exactly tulpa so anyways), in my case I have no desire to live in the real world, use the host's body or have a job.  I just wanna chat with people on the internet, dream with my hostie, draw pictures and do day dream adventures.  I am happy and content with that.

 

 

I think it might be a bit offensive to answer honestly here. But the people I've seen in chats myself just strike me as the types to, you know, not go out and do anything in the first place. I guess I won't expound on that.

 

 

We  have seen threads concerning the morality of a tulpa wanting less independence and responsibilities before on this forum.  Is there a moral or ethical qualifier on a tulpa being less independent or less willing to "do something" in the real world?  I think it is more of a personal choice rather than an ethical or moral characteristic.   I don't think there is anything wrong with a tulpa not wanting to leave the wonderland or not wanting to be part of the real world.  They live within the mind after all.

 

 

I can't answer this question because I don't know who has been socialising young and who not. It would surprise me if there were any significant differences.

 

 

I think I would have to agree with this.  I don't think there is enough data on this to make any conclusions and the answers will most likely be all over the place.  There are also too many variables to make any correlation IMO.

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Well, the question was phrased as a "developmental ceiling" which would be assumed to be a bad thing. There's no problem with not interacting with the world. But that's not quite what this thread's about either, because the point was tulpas that do interact with the world (socialize) early on may have a "lower developmental ceiling".

 

Anyways I don't consider ceilings to exist, here. Rather these types of people simply aren't going to put in the same effort, aren't going to have sufficient varied experiences to flesh out a tulpa's personality, or just plain aren't that mature yet.

Hi, I'm Tewi, one of Luminesce's tulpas. I often switch to take care of things for the others.

All I want is a simple, peaceful life. With my family.

Our Ask thread: https://community.tulpa.info/thread-ask-lumi-s-tulpas

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But that is what I am saying.  Mabye it is not a ceiling or a bad thing, it is simply a choice.  It is what the thread is about in that sense.  I disagree that it is a bad thing to choose less independence and early chat room antics.

 

I guess the question is whether there is a real correlation between early chat room and forum interaction and getting independent and having a job and switching.  I am not so sure about that.  But I would remove any moral or value judgments on it.

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I can see what is going to happen with this thread if Melian and I keep commenting.  Please continue without any more Mistgod-Melian.  We will be reading the responses with interest without further comment.  We disagree with any value judgments on early tulpa socialization or making a deliberate choice to arrest "development" at a lesser level of independence, if such a thing comes up on this thread.   We have said it, now we are out.

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Obsessing about the "effects of IRC on young tulpas" seems weird to me. I know for a lot of people it seems to be a hobby horse, because they object to young tulpas being on IRC or to hosts parading around under-developed tulpas. But no, in my experience there isn't a developmental ceiling to tulpas who "socialise early"; if anything it helps development and makes them more outward-looking, which is the opposite of what you suggested.

 

I think it makes sense intuitively, since socialisation is more or less the cornerstone of healthy human development. The confounder might be that you just happen to see them earlier; if they don't go and socialise as a matter of self-actualisation but as a matter of course, then you'd naturally see them as under-developed.

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The confounder might be that you just happen to see them earlier;

 

Man, you always have really good points.

 

Note that I disagreed there was any "ceiling" for tulpas who socialize early. Rather, I think on average that tulpas who start participating in chats early on in their development tend to, for whatever reason, "settle for less" in their development. Like they've already been validated as "developed" because they can communicate with people. I think it might have some effect - just on average, not always - on just how much time they spend fleshing out their own personalities and the like.

 

I don't really know how to describe what I'm trying to describe. But it's the difference in us seven years ago, three years ago and now. We were vocal at all of those times, had our own personalities and could hold a conversation. But I would definitely say we've become much more "developed" in some sense since then. Switching helps, getting out of the mind for a while adds a new dimension to your experiences. And no, I'm not sure exactly where they're deprived of that development. I'm not making claims here, just loose observations.

Hi, I'm Tewi, one of Luminesce's tulpas. I often switch to take care of things for the others.

All I want is a simple, peaceful life. With my family.

Our Ask thread: https://community.tulpa.info/thread-ask-lumi-s-tulpas

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