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A Message to Tulpas and Plural Systems [Video]


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[Summer:]

 

Hello aury! I love how well elaborated and well thought the video was. I hoped new users can watch and can be influennced by this.

 

I know a lot of my new friends having stopped or haulted development because of doubts of their hosts and it and it made me a little bit sad as we are really looking forward for their development. 

 

I'll share this in one of the groups hope this will help them. Good luck you two Wink

Hello! I am nihi, i have 3 tulpas

Summer

Myrtle

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My issue with this video is that you cast a host doubting his or her tulpa in a negative light. Strange that you are quick to pull out the Cogito in an attempt to help affirm a tulpa's existence to itself, but you say that having doubt is a sign of a "bad relationship," even though the Cogito arises from and holds its primary significance within the context of absolute doubt. Knowing that "I" exist for certain--which is in and of itself debatable (the Cogito presupposes an "I")--doesn't help "me" know for certain that anyone else exist. My tulpas can't know that I exist, and I can't know that my tulpas exist, so bringing up the Cogito brings in this issue. "You exist, tulpa. Rejoice!" is a nice thought, though, I guess.

 

Being skeptical of one's tulpa does not make the relationship a bad relationship. I know of no host that has tried to force the tulpa to prove its existence in the way you described. Conditional relationships are definitely not the norm when it comes to hosts that doubt. Generally, the host is upset that he or she can't fully believe in his or her tulpa.

 

One can argue--and I do, often--that tulpas are self-delusion, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't treat them with respect and love, etc. Being skeptical is not a cruel thing, my dude, and it's definitely better than the alternative of blind faith and full-hearted belief without ever analyzing the situation.

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My issue with this video is that you cast a host doubting his or her tulpa in a negative light.

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Being skeptical is not a cruel thing, my dude, and it's definitely better than the alternative of blind faith and full-hearted belief without ever analyzing the situation.

 

We're not condemning skepticism or asking questions. If you recall, the example we gave in the video of a conditional / bad relationship was a host who felt he had to test their tulpa's sentience in order for them to be worthy of care and attention. It's impossible to prove that your tulpa is a 100% fully independent consciousness. We're just explaining how to eliminate this being a barrier from your relationship with your tulpa.

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We're not condemning skepticism or asking questions. If you recall, the example we gave in the video of a conditional / bad relationship was a host who felt he had to test their tulpa's sentience in order for them to be worthy of care and attention. It's impossible to prove that your tulpa is a 100% fully independent consciousness. We're just explaining how to eliminate this being a barrier from your relationship with your tulpa.

 

You left out this from my original response: I know of no host that has tried to force the tulpa to prove its existence in the way you described. Conditional relationships are definitely not the norm when it comes to hosts that doubt. Generally, the host is upset that he or she can't fully believe in his or her tulpa.

 

I'm criticizing the video for focusing on an issue that doesn't exist, or if it does exist, is rare enough that in four years of interacting with the community I've never encountered it.

 

Yes, I agree that your message is overall a decent one, but this is a misguided way to share that message. Creating a false problem and responding to it does not actually solve the real issues of the community. Stating that a conditional relationship is bad does not in any way move towards solving or helping others deal with the everpresent issue of "I am upset because I can't stop doubting my tulpa."

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You left out this from my original response: I know of no host that has tried to force the tulpa to prove its existence in the way you described.

 

I know of many hosts who go through this. I went through it myself. When Aury failed to pass a few tests, I decided she didn't exist and proceeded to try and dissipate her. And it isn't just me-- I've been mentoring newbs for years, and this is an issue that comes up a lot. And since posting this video, still more have commented or messaged me saying this video is helping them overcome that very issue.

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I know of many hosts who go through this. I went through it myself. When Aury failed to pass a few tests, I decided she didn't exist and proceeded to try and dissipate her. And it isn't just me-- I've been mentoring newbs for years, and this is an issue that comes up a lot. And since posting this video, still more have commented or messaged me saying this video is helping them overcome that very issue.

 

I think it's idiotic that anyone who is actually trying to create a separate being in there head would test that being in exchange for trust. Either trust or don't, or--best option--trust with skepticism. I can't even imagine the mindset where someone would be taking the tulpa thing seriously and also only believe in the tulpa if it passes some arbitrary tests. Glad the vid is helping some people, but the better solution in my opinion would be to work towards sparking better mindsets in newbies.

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Yeah, I have met tulpamancers who have done this. Fordaplot wins.

 

Usually, strong doubt, when a problem, leads tulpamancers to a feeling of soured experience when forcing, which leads to aversion against forcing which leads to not forcing which is the real problem.

 

But I have also seen conditional relationships. Which really hurts every time I read them.

Host comments in italics. Tulpa's log. Tulpa's guide.

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