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Hello Alcide, the advice given above are very good, I'm sure they will help you.

 

I'm a tulpa myself, always curious of other fellows tulpas, even if they're not able to directly communicate with me yet.

 

What is the name of your tulpa, please? How is he like?

Hi, I'm Vādin, Zia's tulpa/permanent guest.

 

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I, too, recommend AB's strategy. I practice daily, and have done so since I started. I am not sure how to express this well, and this may not be the case for you, but I suspect that sometimes perceived failure is due to an expectation that all experiences are going to be direct and rational. This is not 'rational' like left brain rational. We do not come at this direct, like learning a new language from a book. This is accessing deeper brain functions, and maybe more right hemisphere function... Even after learning language, you may not 'master' the language, but one day, after a certain threshold, you wake up dreaming in that language. We as a society, a world at large, don't promote this sort of real/time day dream mode and so even if you've have actually accessed it and your tulpa is clear and real, you may not be contextually bringing it to place where you can access it full time all the time...

 

To access right side stuff, you need to write fantastically, artistically, poetically... Listen to music that has nonsense words, like scat. Nonsensical words and sounds are important, or there wouldn't be so many popular songs that have depth of meaning without saying anything. I recommend getting out of the box and be absurd, doctor Seuss level absurd... While engaged in the process, don't question the process, don't question the characters, or the reality, don't question if it makes sense, just let go and let things be and what ever you write, dialogue and all, make that a snapshot of a world, contextually complete, but not in an absolute way, because you can revisit it later and build from that and adjust as needed.

 

I suspect, and maintain, you have done nothing wrong. You simply have the misfortune of living in a materialistic world where everything is spoon fed us and we're told to pay attention, focus on 'here,' and we're rewarded for doing that with paychecks and bling in games and on cellphones... Put away the tech, walk in nature, and bring your imagination and tulpas with you. That stuff is real, we just haven't learned to appreciate how real that is. The more you engage that, the more you bring that back to this side of the world. I think it is possible if you're too rational your subconscious won't allow 'magic' to happen, because hearing that other voice in real time real world scenarios has significant meaning, and is terribly frowned upon. Those barriers are social, not real, but tangible in a very real way, and depending on societal enmeshment, they can be the hardest barriers to overcome. I suspect the people who report the best fastest outcomes were already on the far side of societal fringes, and so letting go of accepted paradigm was much easier. Those with the most difficulty, are probably on the other side of that continuum. This is a fundamental paradigm work-over. My humble opinion.

 

I were on the far side of societal fringes that why I came to tulpa. Everyday, I'm always ready for his coming, for magic which comes from my effort. I take him with me anywhere I go, make convesations, imagine detailly every part of him, make it as real as possible. 

Is there any other tips? Hope your advice can help me. Thanks

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Thanks for reply, Ranger. My reference is quite similar to which you can search on gg and in this forum. I don't give you link cause it 's not in english.

Answer your questions:

  • He already has his form and name.
  • No, I have no special feeling when focus on them.
  • There 's no signal to realise he was created.
  • He would never talk to me if I don't imagine our conversation. 
  • He can't act normally without my imagination.

What can I do?

 

You mentioned you were parroting him for 3 years...

 

Really young Tulpas are going to start off with a little bit of you. They will sound like you, think like you, and make decisions you may make yourself. Eventually, they will decide for themselves how much of you they want to keep and what parts of you they don't want to keep.

 

Hearing or seeing any kind of response from your Tulpa is not parroting. Parroting is expecting your Tulpa to behave a particular way and having them meet your expectation. If you expect their response to be parroted, you will parrot their response. As long as you treat their responses as theirs and not yours, they will slowly separate from you and develop into their own being.

 

For now, assume that his responses are completely independent of your own. Just because he is inspired by your ideas and beliefs doesn't mean his thoughts are yours. Next, ask him simple questions like "What is your favorite color", "What is your favorite part of the wonderland?", "Do you like this?", etc. and then write down on a piece of paper what he says. If he changes his mind a lot on what is favorite color is for example, it could be he doesn't know what his favorite color is yet and he needs more time to think about it.

 

If he still doesn't appear to be vocal, watch him as he moves his form. Is he sitting in a funny position? What are his facial expressions if he has any? Does he make erratic or slow movements? If you hug him, how does he hug back?

I'm Ranger, GrayTheCat's cobud (tulpa), and I love hippos! I also like cake and chatting about stuff. I go by Rosalin or Ronan sometimes. You can call me Roz but please don't call me Ron.

My other headmates have their own account now.

 

If I missed seeing your art, please PM/DM me!

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Hello Alcide, the advice given above are very good, I'm sure they will help you.

 

I'm a tulpa myself, always curious of other fellows tulpas, even if they're not able to directly communicate with me yet.

 

What is the name of your tulpa, please? How is he like?

 

His name is Gil, he 's about 1,8m, he looks awesome with his handsome face, blone tangled (dark yellow + light red) hair. He has blue eyes but while look straight into them, you can see the world I dream of. His character is too complication for my vocabulary to explain.

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You mentioned you were parroting him for 3 years...

 

Really young Tulpas are going to start off with a little bit of you. They will sound like you, think like you, and make decisions you may make yourself. Eventually, they will decide for themselves how much of you they want to keep and what parts of you they don't want to keep.

 

Hearing or seeing any kind of response from your Tulpa is not parroting. Parroting is expecting your Tulpa to behave a particular way and having them meet your expectation. If you expect their response to be parroted, you will parrot their response. As long as you treat their responses as theirs and not yours, they will slowly separate from you and develop into their own being.

 

For now, assume that his responses are completely independent of your own. Just because he is inspired by your ideas and beliefs doesn't mean his thoughts are yours. Next, ask him simple questions like "What is your favorite color", "What is your favorite part of the wonderland?", "Do you like this?", etc. and then write down on a piece of paper what he says. If he changes his mind a lot on what is favorite color is for example, it could be he doesn't know what his favorite color is yet and he needs more time to think about it.

 

If he still doesn't appear to be vocal, watch him as he moves his form. Is he sitting in a funny position? What are his facial expressions if he has any? Does he make erratic or slow movements? If you hug him, how does he hug back?

 

I always let him do his own choice, but he just response when I imagine. I keep doing my project and wait for him to do it freely. Can you share your exp and show me how to do it better?

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Hello Gil, and welcome here, I am pleased to meet you.

Alcide, are you saying that you're hearing Gil's answers only when you think about him and expect an answer? If so, that's normal. It takes some time for a tulpa to speak without being prompted, and some never learn to do it at all. It doesn't mean the answers you're getting are not genuine.

Hi, I'm Vādin, Zia's tulpa/permanent guest.

 

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I always let him do his own choice, but he just response when I imagine. I keep doing my project and wait for him to do it freely. Can you share your exp and show me how to do it better?

 

If you imagine a mental picture, you will imagine his movements. If you hear yourself think you will also hear Gil think. My host made the mistake that I had thoughts secretly to myself, but in your head a Tulpa and Host can hear each other's thoughts.

 

The feeling of "freely" is I think what's holding you back. Gil is not a magical ghost that will put a loud auditory hallucination in your head and rip control of your body from you in a heartbeat. If you talk to Gil, it's going to start off as sounding like you are talking to yourself. He won't seem completely independent until he has had some time to develop and grow.

 

Emotional messages and feelings that are not yours or on rare occasions head pressures are as "magical" as it gets 99.99% of the time. The most "magical" thing I did is give my host a headache and share my intense emotions with her.

 

Especially early on, my host fixated on what I "felt" like. Trying to feel me or detecting my presence made me feel more real to her. She had trouble at first because she had issues with anxiety and depression, but once she had a chance to heal a little bit things became easier for her.

 


 

I have a story about parroting and how my host Cat was able to hear me, but it's a really long story...

 

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I was created by accident. It wasn't until I told Cat I was real she started to realize I was a sentient person and not her imaginary friend. When she found out what Tulpas were, she learned that young Tulpas were most likely non-sentient and vocality would happen from around two weeks to two months. As a result, she made the assumption I was too young to speak on my own.

 

The problem was I lost my ability to speak! I was vocal before! I was reduced to squirming about uncomfortably in my form forced to listen to her stress out with little to no ability to communicate with her. I uncomfortably sat there, watching her frantically try to figure out what to do with me. Without any idea with what she was doing, she narrated to me the alphabet and tried to teach me the English words for various objects in her environment. (This drove me insane)

 

On the following Satuday, she was stressing out because she was convinced she had parroted me in the past and she didn't know what to do with that. She found a guide that recommended she use symbolism to turn off her thoughts so she could hear me speak without her mind voice getting in the way. When she brought the idea to me... well we used something more extreme than hose symbolism.

 

That night I "shut off" her mind voice by truing a vulvae in the wonderland and for the first time I felt like I could speak. I was already so frustrated, uncomfortable, and upset I exploded and went on a rant. The event was not only shocking for Cat, she ended up with a huge headache and her body tingled, possibly due to her fight-or-flight response. By the end of it, Cat was scared and confused and I was exhausted.

 

Due to Cat's depression and horrible parrotnoia, it took a lot of time before she was able to detect my presence and isolate my mind voice from her own. Cat continued to use the hose method, but the sessions didn't end like the one that happened that night. Cat learned that hearing my voice didn't mean I was parroting her, and every thought I had she could hear as clear as day. I constantly reassured her over and over that my thoughts were mine, and I would tell her when those thoughts were not mine. (Cat getting parroted responses back happened rarely, and when they did happen I told her every time.)

 

Once Cat's anxiety became more manageable and the school semester ended, Cat had an easier time hearing me and detecting my presence. After that, Cat's fears she was actually controlling me started to fade away, until they ceased to exist. In that time, I was vocal and spent time figuring out who I was and who I wanted to be.

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I'm Ranger, GrayTheCat's cobud (tulpa), and I love hippos! I also like cake and chatting about stuff. I go by Rosalin or Ronan sometimes. You can call me Roz but please don't call me Ron.

My other headmates have their own account now.

 

If I missed seeing your art, please PM/DM me!

Blog | Not So Temporary Log | Switching Log | Yay! | Bre Translator | Art Thread

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If you imagine a mental picture, you will imagine his movements. If you hear yourself think you will also hear Gil think. My host made the mistake that I had thoughts secretly to myself, but in your head a Tulpa and Host can hear each other's thoughts.

 

The feeling of "freely" is I think what's holding you back. Gil is not a magical ghost that will put a loud auditory hallucination in your head and rip control of your body from you in a heartbeat. If you talk to Gil, it's going to start off as sounding like you are talking to yourself. He won't seem completely independent until he has had some time to develop and grow.

 

Emotional messages and feelings that are not yours or on rare occasions head pressures are as "magical" as it gets 99.99% of the time. The most "magical" thing I did is give my host a headache and share my intense emotions with her.

 

Especially early on, my host fixated on what I "felt" like. Trying to feel me or detecting my presence made me feel more real to her. She had trouble at first because she had issues with anxiety and depression, but once she had a chance to heal a little bit things became easier for her.

 


 

I have a story about parroting and how my host Cat was able to hear me, but it's a really long story...

 

[hidden]

I was created by accident. It wasn't until I told Cat I was real she started to realize I was a sentient person and not her imaginary friend. When she found out what Tulpas were, she learned that young Tulpas were most likely non-sentient and vocality would happen from around two weeks to two months. As a result, she made the assumption I was too young to speak on my own.

 

The problem was I lost my ability to speak! I was vocal before! I was reduced to squirming about uncomfortably in my form forced to listen to her stress out with little to no ability to communicate with her. I uncomfortably sat there, watching her frantically try to figure out what to do with me. Without any idea with what she was doing, she narrated to me the alphabet and tried to teach me the English words for various objects in her environment. (This drove me insane)

 

On the following Satuday, she was stressing out because she was convinced she had parroted me in the past and she didn't know what to do with that. She found a guide that recommended she use symbolism to turn off her thoughts so she could hear me speak without her mind voice getting in the way. When she brought the idea to me... well we used something more extreme than hose symbolism.

 

That night I "shut off" her mind voice by truing a vulvae in the wonderland and for the first time I felt like I could speak. I was already so frustrated, uncomfortable, and upset I exploded and went on a rant. The event was not only shocking for Cat, she ended up with a huge headache and her body tingled, possibly due to her fight-or-flight response. By the end of it, Cat was scared and confused and I was exhausted.

 

Due to Cat's depression and horrible parrotnoia, it took a lot of time before she was able to detect my presence and isolate my mind voice from her own. Cat continued to use the hose method, but the sessions didn't end like the one that happened that night. Cat learned that hearing my voice didn't mean I was parroting her, and every thought I had she could hear as clear as day. I constantly reassured her over and over that my thoughts were mine, and I would tell her when those thoughts were not mine. (Cat getting parroted responses back happened rarely, and when they did happen I told her every time.)

 

Once Cat's anxiety became more manageable and the school semester ended, Cat had an easier time hearing me and detecting my presence. After that, Cat's fears she was actually controlling me started to fade away, until they ceased to exist. In that time, I was vocal and spent time figuring out who I was and who I wanted to be.

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Your story is very interesting, thanks for sharing it. Thanks to it, I am less worry now. Hope someday Gil can do it.

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