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Wonderland Inception

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 Yesterday I was experimenting with an idea that I had that turned out to be very effective for me and resulted in a 'lucid dream like' wonderland experience.

 IMO the main thing that makes dreams feel real is the fact that you don't consciously know they're not real, after doing this I found myself feeling afraid of falling, I have a wonderland cliff that I jump out of every time, but not this time I felt genuinely afraid of falling and some other sensations of 'being there" that you only experience in a dream rather than in wonderland. The following technique shouldn't be done if you don't want to genuinely lose track of what is real temporarily.
 It's a little convoluted so bear with me here:
 First I made sure that my experience of the real world had no sensory stimuli that was stronger than the wonderland ones, aka not too much noise or light, eyelids halfway closed, pillows to numb your touch etc...

 Then after that I imagined myself in my regular wonderland, now here is the tricky part. In wonderland, sit on the ground, take a wonderland breath and imagine yourself in another wonderland. That's right, IMAGINE YOURSELF IMAGINING YOURSELF somewhere else. And once you imagine the second layer add in a third layer, but the third layer is REALITY ITSELF, Imagine that reality is one layer of your wonderland. Feel how real reality is and then imagine yourself on the first wonderland layer again, and then on the second, and then back again. Do this cycle for about 30 times and then reverse. Now you want to start waking up. If you're on the second layer, wake up to the first, then to reality, once in reality 'wake up' to the second layer, then first, then back.

 Eventually you will feel like there's no difference between reality and wonderland and now your mind is free to have a dream like experience. 

  

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On 4/23/2020 at 12:58 PM, neo said:

IMO the main thing that makes dreams feel real is the fact that you don't consciously know they're not real, after doing this I found myself feeling afraid of falling, I have a wonderland cliff that I jump out of every time, but not this time I felt genuinely afraid of falling and some other sensations of 'being there" that you only experience in a dream rather than in wonderland.

 

This made me think of hypnic jerks-
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20151023-why-does-it-feel-like-im-falling-as-i-fall-asleep

 

This certainty sounds interesting. I never tried it, and it could be an interesting experience.

 

When you do this, do you focus on immersing into wonderland or just creating more and more layers of wonderland?


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3 hours ago, Ranger said:

When you do this, do you focus on immersing into wonderland or just creating more and more layers of wonderland?

I focus more on the transitions, only two wonderland layers is enough, but the important part is to make reality seem like the third layer. The immersion comes as a result of you no longer feeling like reality is different from wonderland.

 It's very counter intuitive to explain this...
 The best I can describe it's like going through an infinite russian nesting doll with 3 repeating layers (wonderland, wonderland, reality), kinda like this:

 
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 to put it in words it would be something like "Imagine yourself imagining yourself imagining reality".
 It sounds complicated but once you try to do it should be more obvious.

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neo, do you think you could practice this for a week or so and report on how it went? The idea is interesting but it sounds like you only did it once or twice. Just asking as a forum member.


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 Sure I'll report back, I did it about five or six times now and it has worked consistently in entering a dream like state so far, it usually happens when you start going backwards "waking up" from the layers. Afterwards I could see the outlines of my bedroom and my hands move in front of my face with my eyes closed, I've internalized my bedroom and hands very accurately and it feels very much like I just woke up from a dream. The results have been different enough from regular wonderland for me to want to post about it right away. If I manage to escape the matrix I'll come back and tell you guys.

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My wonderland seems a bit lucid dream like with layers as well, I think it’s honestly built on bits of my interests but... it’s very dream like and something I wouldn’t choose myself at times. I totally get that waking up feeling... most times I’m annoyed and want to go back to the perfect world my Tulpas live in. It’s very hard to explain but I understand. 

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On 5/11/2020 at 9:54 AM, spill that tea said:

do you visualise this in third person? like it is the that gif?

I try to stay in first person, I don't know if it's immersive otherwise.

 

On 5/12/2020 at 5:13 PM, AliceTheGhostGirl said:

My wonderland seems a bit lucid dream like with layers as well, I think it’s honestly built on bits of my interests but... it’s very dream like and something I wouldn’t choose myself at times. I totally get that waking up feeling... most times I’m annoyed and want to go back to the perfect world my Tulpas live in. It’s very hard to explain but I understand. 

IKR? Most times if you stick with those scenarios that you didn't consciously chose, there is always some sort of lesson or closure at the end. I always ask my tulpa to lead me through the story and it always pays off, you learn about yourself and remember things you didn't know you could, some of the things that look random at first usually are some metaphor or symbolism, your brain doesn't know how to do true randomness. I remember last time I did this there was a scenario with a crowd in a swimming pool and I spilled a drink and for some weird reason I got embarrassed by it, like how? Consciously I know it wasn't real people looking but I felt that it was. Context is overlooked when it comes to immersion. 

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16 hours ago, neo said:

I try to stay in first person, I don't know if it's immersive otherwise.

 

IKR? Most times if you stick with those scenarios that you didn't consciously chose, there is always some sort of lesson or closure at the end. I always ask my tulpa to lead me through the story and it always pays off, you learn about yourself and remember things you didn't know you could, some of the things that look random at first usually are some metaphor or symbolism, your brain doesn't know how to do true randomness. I remember last time I did this there was a scenario with a crowd in a swimming pool and I spilled a drink and for some weird reason I got embarrassed by it, like how? Consciously I know it wasn't real people looking but I felt that it was. Context is overlooked when it comes to immersion. 

Someone who understands exactly what I mean! There have been times where I haven’t consciously chosen moments, more so I feel my Tulpas do, while it can be a bit frightening to end up in a part of the wonderland they seemed to create themselves I try to keep an open mind, switching helps more I feel. Immersions are a bit more difficult personally. I definitely think they can hold old memories too, things that your mind has almost forgotten. 

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I was playing around with this not to long ago, I just forgot to bring it up.

 

I didn't feel safe playing with this without a safety exit, so I thought of a pink "portal door" that would take me back to our normal wonderland with the exception I can wake up in reality. Otherwise, I ran through the chaos using a white door to go from place to place. That time Ranger and Evergreen decided to tag along.

 

The order was random wonderland, random wonderland, and as close as I can get to a recreation of reality. I tried to visualize my bedroom as accurately as possible, only Ranger and Evergreen stood in my room. I'm not sure if this and a pink portal door appearing wrecked the illusion.

 

After a few rounds of this, I think I either fell asleep, went through the pink door, or completely forgot what was going on and slept later. I would like to try it again soon, but maybe not tonight because I just want to sleep.


Pretty much my main wonderland form minus the cat parts, that's a separate form. I'm not a hippo, I promise.

I sometimes speak in pink and Ranger sometimes speaks in blue (if it's unmarked and colored assume it's Ranger). He loves to chat.

 

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