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We've been a system for 16 months now and vocality for us was pretty much mature within the first 20 minutes as some of you know. So this discussion isn't about that whole 'achieving vocality' thing, it's about, how does it feel for you now as a mature system? This doesn't exclude new systems as long as you have had clear vocality.
For us, regardless of who's fronting, vocality is always a mix of tulpish, 'alien' mindvoice (as in clearly who said what), and questionable mindvoice as if either no one said it, it was translated from tulpish, or it was definitely the fronter (even me when I was fronting)--What we do is accept or decline what was said on our behalf.
Here's a few of our anololies: Often when someone says something, Bear will repeat what was said several times afterward, this was proven to be a body OS function as I found myself doing the same thing when I fronted, and I never do that otherwise even when I'm co-fronting.
Another anomaly is that the body's mouth often mouths our words wven when the fronter (Bear) is fully associated to it. This can be confusing and lead to doubt as well. (This one didn't happen to me when I fronted.)
We'd like to hear your experience and share your thoughts.
This is how I first heard my tulpa's thoughts. It's a simple method that I find really useful.
Before we begin (Host) :
- You must believe in tulpamancy, in your tulpa's existence and in their ability to think to themselves.
- Your tulpa is never too young to communicate unless you think they are.
- Read this post to your tulpa or explain it to them using words which you know they understand. Basically let them know what you're going to do.
- Tell your tulpa to always use your name when talking to you, even if it feels repetitive.
- Ask your tulpa to talk to you during this exercise, as well as whenever they can, randomly.
Before we begin (Tulpa) :
- During this exercise, talk to your host by thinking to yourself instead of trying other ways such as using your body to make any sounds (you don't need a body if you don't have one but I recommend it)
- You and your host share a physical brain. In the same way that you can hear your host's thoughts, they can hear yours. You can't do it "wrong" so don't get discouraged!
The actual exercise (Tulpa) :
- For the whole length of the exercise, simply repeat your host's name and add short, encouraging sentences in between (such as "I love you" or "You can do it!")
The actual exercise (Host) :
- First of all, get yourself ready. Prepare yourself physically. Be as comfortable as you can without falling asleep. Make sure there will be no disturbances and it's as quiet as possible around you.
- Prepare yourself mentally. You're about to do a tricky exercise to get to hear your tulpa, but it can be very exhausting. Remember to always tell your tulpa that you're going to listen for them!
- Here we go. I'm sure your mind is filled with racing thoughts right now. Just block them all. No matter what they say, BLOCK.
- This is the exhausting part, you have to keep on blocking thoughts nonstop until your mind is absolutely clear. Don't give up unless you need to rest. It's fine. With some practice, you'll be able to complete this step in no time! Did it on your first try? Congratulations, keep going.
- Now that your mind is absolutely clear, RELEASE. Stop blocking and try not to think of any words, but most importantly, don't block a single thought. It is recommended that your tulpa has a form and that you visualize it in your head now.
- Be patient for a little, this is very tricky, you have to listen for your tulpa without blocking anything, if any thought popped into your mind out of nowhere THAT WAS YOUR TULPA. Yes it'll "sound" or feel like you, but you made no actual effort to think it. Hence it's not you.
- If no thought pops out of nowhere after a little and your mind is racing again, stop visualization and go back to blocking. You might have to repeat it. Simply try again, block, release and listen, block, release and listen.
How it works:
We're so used to hearing our own thoughts and classifying any thoughts in our own heads as "ours". Adittionally, our minds are usually racing with unwanted thoughts. This means that normally, first our tulpa's thoughts have to be strong enough to overpower every other, and then we have to realize that we're not the ones thinking that. The former is achieved with forcing, the later usually requires countless tries from our tulpa until we realize and get in the right mindset. While I don't encourage being a lazy host and obviously not parrotnoia, this method is intended for those especially. This exercise skips a lot of the forcing necessary to be able to hear our tulpa, allowing us to hear much weaker thoughts from them. Also, by emptying our minds, we're making it easier for ourselves to differentiate whose thought is each of them, since we have less thoughts to classify at a time. We're trying our best not to actively think of anything but the image of our tulpa, distracting us away from thinking any words which could make us be mistaken about who thought this and who thought that, while still actively listening for them.
TL, DR: Block all thoughts until mind is clear, then stop blocking completely and listen for tulpa. Repeat as necessary.
do not visit the forums often, so this may have already been mentioned.
When I first started, I had a lot of difficulty with Milana's voice. I found it very hard to imagine what she would sound like, and it often turned out robot-y and unnatural.
I found it easy to play songs in my head, though. So I used this and attempted to imagine her voice rather than the singer's. I did not find it all that boring, which helped a lot since I get bored pretty easily and then lose focus.
I started with a slow song at first, namely For What It's Worth by Buffalo Springfield (great song by the way :D) and then moved onto faster songs.
This thing is probably difficult to read since I am no good at explanations, but you'll probably get the gist of it hopefully.
(copied from my reddit post)
I have some tips for those who have trouble hearing their tulpa (besides “force more”):
Get into a good state of mind for it. You can meditate if you want, or you can just sit or lie somewhere comfortable, close your eyes, and make sure you’re in a quiet place (if this isn’t an option, then put on headphones and listen to colored noise or instrumental music; both of these things will help block out the noise and shouldn’t be too distracting to most people). I’ve had some of my best, most vivid forcing sessions in this state because it makes it easier to focus and makes me more perceptive to my imagination. Ideally, you should do this when you aren’t tired to avoid the risk of falling asleep. This post may also be helpful.
Just listen and let them talk. Prompt them with a topic to talk about, and just let them talk. You might be surprised how much they have to say when given the opportunity.
Proxy. I’ve been surprised more than once by how clearly I can hear a tulpa I can’t normally hear well when I proxy for them. If you’re proxying to encourage them to speak and to learn to hear them better, don’t say anything, just let them do all the talking. I don’t know why it is that sometimes I’ve been able to hear my tulpae more clearly while proxying, but it does work. If your tulpa is shy about speaking to others, then tie this suggestion in with the last one - ask them to talk about something and transcribe it.
Make up a story together, taking turns saying one sentence at a time. If neither of you can think of a way to start it off, search online for story starters.
Play word games. I’m not going to explain any here because this post is basically a wall of text, but I’ll explain how to play a few word games in a reply to this (here) in case anyone here doesn’t know any.
Sing together! (credit to ThatFellowWithTheScarf for suggesting this)
I also have some advice for related problems people may have.
"Sometimes, I think I hear my tulpa talk, but then I think it’s just me!"
First of all, are you worried that you’re parroting or that the tulpa’s words in question are just intrusive thoughts? If you think you might be parroting, read this. If you’re afraid what you’re hearing is just intrusive thoughts, then ask your tulpa if it was something they said or not. If they tell you that, yes, they said that, then trust them.
Alternatively, read this.
"My tulpa isn’t vocal yet; everything they say is just me parroting!"
Are you consciously parroting, or is it unintentional? If you think you’re parroting unintentionally, you aren’t, since parroting is something that is only done intentionally. You can't "unintentionally parrot"; any "unintentionally parroted" responses are either intrusive thoughts or legitimate responses that you mistake for parroting. See the previous piece of advice.
"I get too many intrusive thoughts, and it makes it hard to hear my tulpa!"/"It often sounds like my tulpa is saying multiple things at once, and I don’t know which responses are really theirs!"
Just relax. Don’t stress out over it. If intrusive thoughts are interfering too much with communication that hearing your tulpa is difficult, then just take a moment to clear your mind and relax. I sometimes get so many intrusive thoughts that holding a conversation with my tulpae becomes nearly impossible, and, nearly every time that happens, taking a moment to clear my mind significantly reduces the amount of intrusive thoughts I’m getting, making conversation much easier or at least manageable.
"I never know what to talk about with my tulpa!"
Talk about things that happened throughout the day.
Ask your tulpa if they have any ideas of what to talk about. They might have something they’d like to talk about.
Choose an activity to do together - playing a game, watching TV, doing crafts, surfing the internet, anything - and talk about what you’re doing as you’re doing it.
Look online for conversation starters or interview questions and ask these to your tulpa (they can ask you some as well and comment on your answers).
The story-writing game and word games I mentioned earlier are also helpful here.
Proxying is also useful advice for this. If you’re having trouble finding things to say while talking to your tulpa, then let them talk with someone who does have more to say.
Singing together is helpful here, as well, since you just need to follow along with the lyrics rather than thinking of things to talk about.
(As this is a collection of various tips rather than a proper guide, I'd like to submit this to Tips & Tricks.)
10/1/14 - Realized I accidentally linked to the list of word games again where I should've linked to Tips for those who are getting "parrotnoid" - whoops! Fixed it.
10/5/14 - Fixed broken url tag in the changelog. Added extra sentence to response to "parroting" problem for more clarification. Added link to Sands' post on absence of disbelief in response to first problem. Added link to SimplyNoise for example of colored noise. In first tip, changed "state" to "state of mind" for clarity and added link to this post. Added suggestion to sing together.
Vocality is something many tulpamancers that are starting to create their tulpa claim to have a struggle or five on. They get agitated with waiting possibly months or longer for their tulpa to speak to them, so i came up with this. To begin please Read Puria's guide (G+2s acc) on talking to deafs who are the hosts because the idea is very necessary for the guide. Vocalization is easier to obtain as I personally believe as you enter a certain state of mind (to hear your tulpa). I say this from my own experience, including both Hans becoming vocal within a very very short period of time. I have also tested this technique on others, one got his tulpa starting in 4 days, one heard whispers in one, one I misread and wanted to take more time with developing them before they made their tulpa vocal, so the technique works with results already.
Also there is a pastebin for those who find it more convenient for any reason here.
Some hosts can hear their tulpa faster because they are in the right state of mind and some will take months because they are in the wrong state of mind. If your tulpa got vocal early and you think its silly that people are having problems with vocality, please be considerate and remember not everyone's tulpa is vocal as early as yours was.
*One visual that is similar to the techniques concepts and ideals is a tulpa radio that you must tune into the correct frequency. You must be on the correct wavelength to hear your tulpa or at least that will be assumed to be true for this guide.
The tulpa guide for a speedier vocality
Sentience is required
Step 1: The state of mind
A common misconception is to clear your mind to make your focus on your tulpa more clear. This guide does the opposite, fill your mind with thoughts. Get your thoughts going, think about your tulpa, think about how they move and how they would talk and how their voice is and how it sounds. Think about random things jump around. Confuse yourself scatter your thoughts and logic. Just think of things to think of yourself thinking about yourself thinking or however you want. Think of your tulpa and their face their form and the mouth. Focus on something preferably your tulpa. Just scatter thoughts in your mind is your goal. Get into a state where you know you're thinking but if possible you don't know what you're thinking about for most of the thoughts since they are random wandering or scattered. Most of us have experienced this already but haven't given any thought to it probably or hopefully at least. In the state where your mind is wandering with random thoughts, which is relatively easy to achieve if you try to get into it, you can try to hear your tulpa.
After you get thoughts going push them towards the front of your mind. You should feel a pressure like a headache with no pain or nausea feelings almost like a super weak constriction. It likely wont do any harm to the body since its not even on the magnitude of a full really legit headache. If you want try to recreate the pressure directly by pushing the thoughts by themselves without thinking because that is good practice of entering the state. The state involves the thoughts floating around wandering and the pressure is the indicator that you have entered the correct state of mind. It can be reached without pressure meaning if you think you are fine to go to step 2 do it. For most new people however they will likely feel the pressure if they do it correctly. People who have done other things similar to tulpa like imaginary friends or different forms of focusing meditation type activities may not feel the pressure because they are more accustomed to the feeling. Headaches are also reported to happen in this stage so if you find yourself with a headache take a break and try again later when its past and its no problem.
Your tulpa hearing level should have already increased. You should first remember their mindvoice should sound like your thoughts and how they feel more than a real persons voice until they are imposed. Think of "trees" to yourself, listen to how you said it and remember that is the same means your tulpa your tulpa can use to communicate, its not the only way to communicate naturally, but its a good way to view it, more so for beginning mancers here. They can use your thoughts to talk to you if they wish and it is a rather decent way to communicate. Have them focus the random thoughts and sounds you hear into their words. This is indirect vocality which can turned into true vocality with practice. If you wish for direct vocality have them repeat a phrase or say aaaaaaaa. Listen for their faint voice and focus on it to clear it. Make that stronger and focus on it until you can hear their voice clearly. This make take several days as the people that i tried this on took at least a while to get a whisper. You can also converse with your tulpa while doing this or narrate reading a book and wait for a response if you can hold step 1 actively because thats needed for this method to speed it up.
Step 3: After he/she is talking
After you hear his/her first few talks and phrases keep practicing until you can hear her every time you think about her and hear the voice well and clearly in your head. The time it takes to get voice down well probably takes about the same time as normally but it will probably be sped up. After you do this for a while it should become natural to talk to your tulpa as you should expect. Just as natural as talking to a person after you wane yourself off the method. After shes vocal with the method stop using the method and let her speak by herself as you would expect with the normal method of vocality. You wont have to go through the process every time i assume. Once you learn the feeling of your tulpa talking to you it should be much easier to hear her talk. You can enter the state of mind directly and sooner or later you will find the method of thinking about her is not needed to hear her once you grow used to her talking. That is it after she is talking. Best of luck getting vocal and tuff tulpas
Guide is still in its first few stages and feedback on what you discover to be useful or not useful would naturally be appreciated for the guide
Edit: Fixed formatting/wall of text issue ~Chupi