Problems with forcing

[KusaNyan]

I have been actively working with my tulpa but have encountered some challenges along the way. I alternate between passive and active forcing throughout the day, and I’ve noticed that many guides recommend a minimum of 30 minutes of active forcing to fully engage or "get in the zone." However, I find it difficult to reach that point consistently. Specifically, I’m facing two issues: the first being a growing sensation in various parts of my body—usually my hands or arms—that intensifies to the point where I feel compelled to move them, which disrupts the session. The second issue is related to time perception; I often feel as though more time has passed than actually has, making 20 minutes feel like 30 or more.

 

To clarify, I understand that it’s not recommended to focus too much on time limits, and I’m certainly not trying to force myself to reach exactly 30 minutes. That said, I do aim to push myself as much as I can, but these sensations make it difficult to sustain longer forcing sessions. I’ve considered that more frequent meditation, gradually increasing in duration, might help me extend my forcing periods, but I’m unsure how best to go about this or what specific techniques might aid in maintaining focus for longer stretches of time.

 

Given these challenges, I would greatly appreciate any advice, particularly from those who have dealt with similar compulsions or experiences.

 

I did come across a discussion post on these forums regarding "locking yourself in a state of meditation" by using symbolism here, but the link seems to have 404'd and I'm not sure how much it'd help given the aforementioned sensation.

Edited October 22 by KusaNyan

[TurboSimmie]

Hello! 👋

 

1 hour ago, KusaNyan said:

I’ve noticed that many guides recommend a minimum of 30 minutes of active forcing to fully engage or "get in the zone." However, I find it difficult to reach that point consistently.

 

Don't stress yourself out at not being able to get to a certain benchmark of time in a session. My host could rarely concentrate for more than 10-15 minutes at a time but he still got there in the end. It's really about doing what you can do with the mental abilities that you can. And remember, even a short session is better than no session. So don't beat yourself up!

 

Meditation is a great help, but we've always struggled with it so we're not the best ones to give advice on meditation. One thing I can suggest is try forcing in different locations and situations to see if changing the setting helps. As it turned out, my host was better at forcing when we were outside and taking walks then when we were sitting in his bedroom. Don't get locked into one rigid idea of what forcing should be, experiment a little and see if different environments help! 😊

[Lavender]

2 hours ago, KusaNyan said:

I do aim to push myself as much as I can, but these sensations make it difficult to sustain longer forcing sessions. I’ve considered that more frequent meditation, gradually increasing in duration, might help me extend my forcing periods, but I’m unsure how best to go about this or what specific techniques might aid in maintaining focus for longer stretches of time.

 

Given these challenges, I would greatly appreciate any advice, particularly from those who have dealt with similar compulsions or experiences.

 

You are accountable only to yourself and your tulpa. Personally, when I was being created, I feel like the amount of time spent each session was unimportant. Two minute sessions were just as important as two hour sessions. What was important was the commitment of my host consciousness to make time to be with me and to care about my development. I formed rather quickly and I don't think we EVER had a 30 minute session. Our brain has ADHD so concentrating for that long wouldn't be comfortable for either of us.

 

That said, I pretty much was always "with" my host consciousness, so throughout the day they often would ask me a question about what I thought about this or that. I LOVED that and I thing that more than any long sessions we might have had is responsible for my quickly reaching a level of complexity that we both were thrilled with.

 

And remember to have fun!!! Tulpamancy is awesome and it's easier to enjoy it when you're not worrying whether you're spending the right amount of time forcing. 💜💜💜

Edited October 23 by Lavender

[KusaNyan]

1 hour ago, TurboSimmie said:

Hello! 👋

 

 

Don't stress yourself out at not being able to get to a certain benchmark of time in a session. My host could rarely concentrate for more than 10-15 minutes at a time but he still got there in the end. It's really about doing what you can do with the mental abilities that you can. And remember, even a short session is better than no session. So don't beat yourself up!

 

Meditation is a great help, but we've always struggled with it so we're not the best ones to give advice on meditation. One thing I can suggest is try forcing in different locations and situations to see if changing the setting helps. As it turned out, my host was better at forcing when we were outside and taking walks then when we were sitting in his bedroom. Don't get locked into one rigid idea of what forcing should be, experiment a little and see if different environments help! 😊

 

37 minutes ago, Lavender said:

 

You are accountable only to yourself and your tulpa. Personally, when I was being created, I feel like the amount of time spent each session was unimportant. Two minute sessions were just as important as two hour sessions. What was important was the commitment of my host consciousness to make time to be with me and to care about my development. I formed rather quickly and I don't think we EVER had a 30 minute session. Our brain has ADHD so concentrating for that long wouldn't be comfortable for either of us.

 

That said, I pretty much was always "with" my host consciousness, so throughout the day they often would ask me a question about what I thought about this or that. I LOVED that and I thing that more than any long sessions we might have had is responsible for my quickly reaching a level of complexity that we both were thrilled with.

 

And remember to have fun!!! Tulpamancy is awesome and it's easier to enjoy it when you're not worrying whether you're spending the right amount of time forcing. 💜💜💜

Thank you both for your responses. They’ve been incredibly helpful and insightful for my own progress. I’ve gradually been adopting the mindset that even a short session—like 10 minutes—is better than none (especially after all the guides I've read particularly on this topic), and I’ve been regularly sending thoughts to my tulpa throughout the day, combining both active and passive forcing. I should also mention that I have ADHD, so the challenges with concentration are definitely something I can relate to and understand. I plan to experiment with forcing in different environments or simply focusing on meditation, as I believe longer meditation sessions will be beneficial for me in general, beyond just tulpa development.

[The Incans]

I don’t understand why you need to keep completely still to force your Tulpa?  I have found video games a great way to interact ..eg you are both seeing exactly the same world onscreen you can make decisions together, they can graduate to taking control of the hands to control the character and deciding how they want their character to look which may indicate how they want to look or feel they look. they may guide your towards characters who they identify with and kind of things they like  eg watching YT clips of different games. 

 

They’re more likely to come to the front and stay there if they’re having fun, you know what they’e imagining cos you can see it on the screen in front of you which may help if you are struggling to visualise or to know if they are seeing the same as you.

[KusaNyan]

13 hours ago, The Incans said:

I don’t understand why you need to keep completely still to force your Tulpa?  I have found video games a great way to interact ..eg you are both seeing exactly the same world onscreen you can make decisions together, they can graduate to taking control of the hands to control the character and deciding how they want their character to look which may indicate how they want to look or feel they look. they may guide your towards characters who they identify with and kind of things they like  eg watching YT clips of different games. 

 

They’re more likely to come to the front and stay there if they’re having fun, you know what they’e imagining cos you can see it on the screen in front of you which may help if you are struggling to visualise or to know if they are seeing the same as you.

In my case, I engage in both active and passive forcing. Passively, I force during other activities, initiating conversations with my tupla to share my thoughts and experiences (While I'd also hope to gain their perspective, I am only about a month into tupla development, and if they are trying to communicate with me, I have unfortunately not been able to perceive their communications at this point). Additionally, I attempt to "share my senses" of sight and sound by allowing them to experience videos, shows, or games alongside me. However, for better or worse, I also enjoy refining my capacity for visualization, particularly in perceiving the mindscape, my tupla's form (ascribing to the notion of creating a form that one would enjoy visualizing, even if the tupla chooses to change it later on), and my own form from a first-person perspective; likewise, while passive forcing can extend over long periods (e.g., during lengthy drives), I favor more in-depth conversations that can more readily occur when I deliberately set aside time for active forcing. By setting aside time for active forcing—whether by simply talking with them or occasionally treading into the wonderland—I find these deliberate interactions beneficial, allowing me to engage specifically with my tupla. Such is to say, my problem with active forcing is not so much about remaining "completely still"; rather, it’s a sensation to move that grows in intensity and can affect my focus and concentration, affect the conversations I'm having with my tupla which is fairly problematic.

[Athelas]

On 10/22/2024 at 7:07 PM, KusaNyan said:

I’ve considered that more frequent meditation, gradually increasing in duration, might help me extend my forcing periods, but I’m unsure how best to go about this or what specific techniques might aid in maintaining focus for longer stretches of time.

 

The strategy that worked for my host and I was:

1. Pick a length of time you can consistently sit for and set a timer for that amount. It can be as long or short as you require.
2. When the timer goes off, stop, even if you have the feeling you could continue.
3. Practice daily until you are frequently getting that feeling. That's your sign to start pushing further.
4. Increase your timer by five minutes and repeat the process.

It may also help you to try guided meditation. We used self-hypnosis as a form of open-eye guided meditation. Focusing via reading a script made it easier for us to go unscripted further down the road.

 

On 10/22/2024 at 8:22 PM, TurboSimmie said:

One thing I can suggest is try forcing in different locations and situations to see if changing the setting helps. As it turned out, my host was better at forcing when we were outside and taking walks then when we were sitting in his bedroom.

 

This is also great advice. My host likes forcing while using the treadmill. Put in some headphones and you have a fairly distraction-free environment.

 

On 10/24/2024 at 12:54 AM, KusaNyan said:

Passively, I force during other activities, initiating conversations with my tupla to share my thoughts and experiences (While I'd also hope to gain their perspective, I am only about a month into tupla development, and if they are trying to communicate with me, I have unfortunately not been able to perceive their communications at this point). Additionally, I attempt to "share my senses" of sight and sound by allowing them to experience videos, shows, or games alongside me.

 

It sounds like you're doing a fine job so far. We wish you the best of luck.