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Symbolism is effective, yeah. If it works. Never outright said it was ineffective, again putting words in my mouth. It doesn't work for everyone though and not everyone follows the same rules. But saying that the symbolism you imagine actually happens is just silly.


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but i heard he was trying sensory deprivation as well,

 

Assuming "sensory deprivation" means desensitization, I said that I failed to understand how it was possible to move into an imaginary body without first desensitizing. Or, hell, maybe it's possible to do it WHILE desensitizing, if that's what you've been talking about this entire time with the one step thing, but you're still desensitizing. If that's what you're talking about, that doesn't really make things any easier.

 

The thing that I don't get about your guide is the fact that you act like it's so easy to transfer yourself into the imaginary body. Well, maybe not "easy", since you said it was the hardest step, but you seem to treat it as if it's a straightforward thing that just happens. If you're able to do it, you had to have already had experience with separating yourself from your body like this, because this isn't something a newbie like me can just figure out on their own. And from what I've gathered, it seems to be the absolute most crucial step of the switching process.

 

Either we don't do the dominance swap and she's just trying to do normal possession with me, or we do the dominance swap and I end up thinking that I'm her. Neither is a full switch without me leaving the body and being able to look at it from the outside, seeing her controlling it without any help from me.

 

Symbolism is effective, yeah. If it works. Never outright said it was ineffective, again putting words in my mouth. It doesn't work for everyone though and not everyone follows the same rules. But saying that the symbolism you imagine actually happens is just silly.

 

It's probably slightly jarring that I keep flipping between questioning the guide and defending it, but the "symbolism" you're talking about is indeed a thing that actually happens with me. What happens is I start to think as her, and that leads to me becoming her. Our personalities swap places.

 

I feel like you're asking the wrong question here. Rather than asking whether or not it happens, a better question would be asking if doing it is actually a good thing. If we use it to practice possession and switching, does that even count as practice if it's secretly just me trying to possess my own body while thinking like someone else?

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of personality switching before being able to switch for real. It's still her personality and memories and intentions, so we can still use it to have her "in control" so she can talk to people and play games or whatever, and the entire process of temporarily inflicting yourself with multiple personality disorder is honestly pretty fun. It's just that, without consciousnesses being swapped, I would not classify this as switching. Maybe a personality swap can be its own thing.

 

And testing, yes, I know that switching consciousnesses is still part of the guide, but it's presented in such a vague and unhelpful way that it's basically impossible.

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Assuming "sensory deprivation" means desensitization, I said that I failed to understand how it was possible to move into an imaginary body without first desensitizing. Or, hell, maybe it's possible to do it WHILE desensitizing, if that's what you've been talking about this entire time with the one step thing, but you're still desensitizing. If that's what you're talking about, that doesn't really make things any easier.

 

The thing that I don't get about your guide is the fact that you act like it's so easy to transfer yourself into the imaginary body. Well, maybe not "easy", since you said it was the hardest step, but you seem to treat it as if it's a straightforward thing that just happens. If you're able to do it, you had to have already had experience with separating yourself from your body like this, because this isn't something a newbie like me can just figure out on their own. And from what I've gathered, it seems to be the absolute most crucial step of the switching process.

Again, its the hardest part of the guide to explain, besides jumping consciousnesses into the body, you can try hiding your senses and trying to sense what the temp body feels. Remember that the irl body should only think what the tulpa feels, and shouldnt feel what the temp body feels. Try to get to that result, use different methods to try to get to there. Also i answer it with straight forward answers because even if it isnt the answer youre looking for its better to have a straight forward answer than not to have one. Its the finishing step to the switching process so it is vital however keep experimenting with different methods. If any readers have a method that they feel works dont hesitate to share with the readers here

 

Either we don't do the dominance swap and she's just trying to do normal possession with me, or we do the dominance swap and I end up thinking that I'm her. Neither is a full switch without me leaving the body and being able to look at it from the outside, seeing her controlling it without any help from me.

See above for answers to this, your irl body should not see what your temp body sees. Your irl body should only see your temp body as a tulpa and the irl body should not know what youre thinking very clearly. You are slightly repressing yourself, but not as much trying to repress yourself so that the tulpa can take over, although it can work.

 

It's probably slightly jarring that I keep flipping between questioning the guide and defending it, but the "symbolism" you're talking about is indeed a thing that actually happens with me. What happens is I start to think as her, and that leads to me becoming her. Our personalities swap places.
Not really. Keep doing that, and remember to trust your tulpa completely and let go of your control. Dont think with your irl body just rest and let your tulpa take over as the dominant mindvoice.

 

I feel like you're asking the wrong question here. Rather than asking whether or not it happens, a better question would be asking if doing it is actually a good thing. If we use it to practice possession and switching, does that even count as practice if it's secretly just me trying to possess my own body while thinking like someone else?
I will also add to just go along with it like you would when you use a hypno, have confidence that it will work while you do it and see if you get results. The moving the position of the voice is symbolism now that i think about it but its not bad at all. The result is not symbolism, if you have access to the thoughts then you have access to the body. Think about any computer that you replace the Operating System on, the computer will operate differently depending on which one you are using at any time. Try that.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of personality switching before being able to switch for real. It's still her personality and memories and intentions, so we can still use it to have her "in control" so she can talk to people and play games or whatever, and the entire process of temporarily inflicting yourself with multiple personality disorder is honestly pretty fun. It's just that, without consciousnesses being swapped, I would not classify this as switching. Maybe a personality swap can be its own thing.

And testing, yes, I know that switching consciousnesses is still part of the guide, but it's presented in such a vague and unhelpful way that it's basically impossible.

Indeed, although the definitions for switching vary as Sands says. I think the step is enough for the dominance and personality switching. Its main use so far is switching, for us at least, even though it might have other uses- not worth making a separate guide for.

Frankly im not sure besides with questioning like this how i would explain it more, because so far whats in the guide is all ive found as working methods, so explaining it further is hard thats why


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you can try hiding your senses and trying to sense what the temp body feels.

 

... So, use desensitization. Alright then.

 

I will also add to just go along with it like you would when you use a hypno, have confidence that it will work while you do it and see if you get results.

 

Again, belief is irrelevant if the thing I'm doing is inherently wrong to begin with. Convincing yourself that your tulpa is doing everything of its own accord while you're actively puppeting it to be flung around the room doesn't change the fact that you're the one doing it. Likewise, I don't want to blindly start believing that Sarah is really the one in control if I'm actually just pretending to be her. "She" didn't have any trouble whatsoever moving the body for the first time, nothing the body was doing felt remotely alien, she had direct access to all my muscle memory and learned skills (she was able to play the piano and etc.), and hell, "she" even checked up on websites I had opened that didn't even concern her because that's something that I personally do all the time.

 

Now, I'm positive this will all work out once I'm able to desensitize and move into the imaginary body. But I'm almost certain that is a totally different thing from what we're doing right now, and I don't think it's appropriate to say that she really is the one in control when we only swap mindvoices and personality. It's just me using her intentions, like Sands said a while back. Again, there's nothing wrong with that itself, and I'm going to continue doing it until we can switch for real, but I don't consider it a switch unless I can relax my consciousness while she actively moves my body by herself.

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It's probably slightly jarring that I keep flipping between questioning the guide and defending it, but the "symbolism" you're talking about is indeed a thing that actually happens with me. What happens is I start to think as her, and that leads to me becoming her. Our personalities swap places.

 

What I basically mean with it is that even if I feel as light as a feather when using symbolism to make myself feel that way, it doesn't actually mean I am that way, you know? If I wanted to feel that way and I could achieve it with symbolism, that's fine and dandy I suppose... But then you can start wondering if it truly is happening. If you want to go too deep into that way of thinking, you'll soon be wondering about what exactly is real around you and that might be... Not nice.

 

Also the question is if there truly is such a thing as a dominant mind or if it is just something that was made up because it made sense. Like, is there any reason there would be a dominant mind system built in your mind, how would it help you in life?

 

If I am acting, I can become a different person. I can think like them and feel what they should be feeling, but it's still me deep inside. I take on a role, but I can easily get rid of it and put the role on hold when needed. But the thing is, what I really like about possession is how different it just feels from that. I am still me and not just deep inside pretending to be someone else. No, I am me. I can think like myself and I do no thinking that is like that of someone else, just my own thinking. Roswell does his own thinking for him and if I want him to do something he's not about to do, I have to ask him to do it. Doesn't always have to be verbally but it has to be told.

 

I feel like you're asking the wrong question here. Rather than asking whether or not it happens, a better question would be asking if doing it is actually a good thing. If we use it to practice possession and switching, does that even count as practice if it's secretly just me trying to possess my own body while thinking like someone else?

 

I did wonder about if it's a good thing as well earlier on and kinda was leaning towards "no". Again, confusion and doubts will most likely follow as you feel more and more like your tupper and they don't feel like themselves or separate enough. And that's not exactly what you want to achieve. I think it's better to get rid of this dominant and submissive minds mindset and focus on both being dominant. I am petty worried if when you are not the "dominant" one in your mind, your own thoughts become harder. Do you tupper's thoughts become harder for them when they're not the dominant one? I don't think only the "dominant" one should be the one who can truly exist as themselves, so that kinda sounds dangerous.

 

Some people possess by intentions. It's a valid way, I suppose, but I don't have much experience with it. Another way is to practice giving up body control and the tupper then becoming the body. Easier said than done to most and the reason I haven't written a guide about it is that I just plain can't make it much more helpful than host: let go body control hurr and tupper: take control of the body durr. It's a way everyone has to find for themselves, there's not much visualized symbolism in the way I do it so I can't even give those in case they would help you as well.

 

Makogeddon, do remember that full body control does not mean a switch, that is possession. Again, from the tupper point of view, possession and switching are more or less the same. Sometimes it seems that the tupper enjoys switching more when the host is still too much in the way of them controlling and feeling the body, but I suppose you can also help that with practice and making the whole "letting go of control" step a bigger deal. Switching is what is a host skill, I feel like I should say it again because our good friend testing here again read that part wrong and thought I meant possession but oh well. We have talked about what switching is, so I think you know already. Think what you wish to achieve and base your practice on that. If you only want tupper to be in control of the body, both possession and switching do it, but switching is the more difficult skill to the host and dangerous when the tupper isn't good at possession. Do switching if you personally want to go do some imaginary adventures of your own. Surprisingly boring, as you know everything is fake...

 

Good luck, you just have to find what works for you.


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... So, use desensitization. Alright then.

 

 

Again, belief is irrelevant if the thing I'm doing is inherently wrong to begin with. Convincing yourself that your tulpa is doing everything of its own accord while you're actively puppeting it to be flung around the room doesn't change the fact that you're the one doing it. Likewise, I don't want to blindly start believing that Sarah is really the one in control if I'm actually just pretending to be her. "She" didn't have any trouble whatsoever moving the body for the first time, nothing the body was doing felt remotely alien, she had direct access to all my muscle memory and learned skills (she was able to play the piano and etc.), and hell, "she" even checked up on websites I had opened that didn't even concern her because that's something that I personally do all the time.

 

Now, I'm positive this will all work out once I'm able to desensitize and move into the imaginary body. But I'm almost certain that is a totally different thing from what we're doing right now, and I don't think it's appropriate to say that she really is the one in control when we only swap mindvoices and personality. It's just me using her intentions, like Sands said a while back. Again, there's nothing wrong with that itself, and I'm going to continue doing it until we can switch for real, but I don't consider it a switch unless I can relax my consciousness while she actively moves my body by herself.

Mmmm, thats a good start, very good indeed. If youre looking for my advice on it, try to keep trying to do it until you can enter your temp body very easily without desensitizing, just by entering consciousnesses. I found a good way to phase it as well, push your tulpas voice to the front, and your voice in front into the temp body, that will probably assist in entering the body, along with desensitization. You do sound like youre almost there though, i believe once your form is separate from your body and stable enough to relax as you said, your switch will be completed for that session. Remember though to unswitch and keep it in 10 minute bursts until you can handle a longer session/round/forcing/practicing of switch

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I did wonder about if it's a good thing as well earlier on and kinda was leaning towards "no". Again, confusion and doubts will most likely follow as you feel more and more like your tupper and they don't feel like themselves or separate enough. And that's not exactly what you want to achieve. I think it's better to get rid of this dominant and submissive minds mindset and focus on both being dominant.

 

I haven't really experienced anything like what you're talking about, though. There's no confusion about whether a thought is from me or her; if it's from me, it sounds like my mindvoice, and if it's from her, it sounds like hers. There isn't any confusing merging of personality or anything like that, except for when we unswitch and I'm briefly confused about whether or not I'm still her, but that's only there for a moment.

 

The only thing that I meant when I asked if it was a good idea or not was that if it's really just me pretending to be her, then practicing possession becomes pointless, since I'm the one doing it. So, I don't think I'll be using a personality swap when practicing possession and/or switching, even though this guide endorses using it for the latter.

 

I am petty worried if when you are not the "dominant" one in your mind, your own thoughts become harder. Do you tupper's thoughts become harder for them when they're not the dominant one? I don't think only the "dominant" one should be the one who can truly exist as themselves, so that kinda sounds dangerous.

 

Well, yes, it sort of seems to be harder. She can't solve math problems on her own or anything like that without me thinking through them. Though, I suppose it's still just me solving the math problems while I have her personality when we do the swap, so making her "dominant" doesn't really change anything in that regard.

 

Also, the reason the dominance thing makes sense to me is because, until you and your tulpa are able to switch, you are definitely the dominant one in the body. It's your body, you've been using it your entire life, it's your brain, and your tulpa is this thing that is sort of tagging onto it. That's probably not a very good way to think about it, but it's just how it seems to me. I don't think me and her are equal in terms of that (not yet at least, assuming she'll become more powerful), as much as I'd like us to be.

 

 

By the way, Sands, I'd like to ask you some questions about possession and switching, but I don't really think they relate to this thread's methods and I don't want to derail anything. Do you go on the IRC? If so, what channel, and when are you usually on?

 

Mmmm, thats a good start, very good indeed. If youre looking for my advice on it, try to keep trying to do it until you can enter your temp body very easily without desensitizing, just by entering consciousnesses. I found a good way to phase it as well, push your tulpas voice to the front, and your voice in front into the temp body, that will probably assist in entering the body, along with desensitization. You do sound like youre almost there though, i believe once your form is separate from your body and stable enough to relax as you said, your switch will be completed for that session. Remember though to unswitch and keep it in 10 minute bursts until you can handle a longer session/round/forcing/practicing of switch

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Uh... what? When did I mention anything about attempting a proper switch? What are you referring to when you say "good start"? I mean, I've tried switching, but I didn't talk about it here, and I didn't use the dominance swap thing. All I did was attempt to ignore my body by focusing on wonderland stuff while telling her to try to possess me. No success at all so far.

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I haven't really experienced anything like what you're talking about, though. There's no confusion about whether a thought is from me or her; if it's from me, it sounds like my mindvoice, and if it's from her, it sounds like hers. There isn't any confusing merging of personality or anything like that, except for when we unswitch and I'm briefly confused about whether or not I'm still her, but that's only there for a moment.

 

It's good to hear that you already have such distinct headvoices, some aren't as lucky as you are, so I am kind of worried about them too, you know? If they go ahead and try this whole thing and only end up with more thoughts. However, you're not listening much to thoughts that don't have a voice? I know there's some quiet thoughts going on in there I have trouble noticing, mine or his. If you could easily notice those too, it might get even more confusing, maybe?

 

The only thing that I meant when I asked if it was a good idea or not was that if it's really just me pretending to be her, then practicing possession becomes pointless, since I'm the one doing it. So, I don't think I'll be using a personality swap when practicing possession and/or switching, even though this guide endorses using it for the latter.

 

Can't say if it's a good thing to try or if it's just you pretending, as I'm not you. But yeah, do what you think is the best. Even if you now feel this isn't working, you can try something else and if it works even worse, go back to the old thing. Nothing stops you, be fluid and stuff.

 

Well, yes, it sort of seems to be harder. She can't solve math problems on her own or anything like that without me thinking through them. Though, I suppose it's still just me solving the math problems while I have her personality when we do the swap, so making her "dominant" doesn't really change anything in that regard.

 

Also, the reason the dominance thing makes sense to me is because, until you and your tulpa are able to switch, you are definitely the dominant one in the body. It's your body, you've been using it your entire life, it's your brain, and your tulpa is this thing that is sort of tagging onto it. That's probably not a very good way to think about it, but it's just how it seems to me. I don't think me and her are equal in terms of that (not yet at least, assuming she'll become more powerful), as much as I'd like us to be.

 

Time helps with the tuppers to become more distinct and powerful, so no worries there. As for me, I don't see the body as really being myself anymore due to well, all this stuff, and I don't really see it as dominant mind = in control of the body, but that the one in control of the body is just in control of the body. The body stopped being mine a long time ago and instead became ours. So I think that's where we are most different when we start looking at these dominant minds.

 

By the way, Sands, I'd like to ask you some questions about possession and switching, but I don't really think they relate to this thread's methods and I don't want to derail anything. Do you go on the IRC? If so, what channel, and when are you usually on?

 

You can always ask if you want to. #tuppers is where I hang out and I'm not the only one doing possession and switching there, so others can help you as well if you decide to ask questions. There's some different methods some are trying, so if one can't help you, another might.

 

Uh... what? When did I mention anything about attempting a proper switch? What are you referring to when you say "good start"? I mean, I've tried switching, but I didn't talk about it here, and I didn't use the dominance swap thing. All I did was attempt to ignore my body by focusing on wonderland stuff while telling her to try to possess me. No success at all so far.

 

That's testing and his reading comprehension, everyone. That's why trying to talk with him is a pain and I refuse to believe someone could be like that without pretending to be that way for cheap laughs.


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I don't think I'll be using a personality swap when practicing possession and/or switching, even though this guide endorses using it for the latter.

Its not really a personality swap, shes taking your place and youre becoming a tulpa. Remain yourselves throughout the entire process, keeping the positions switched is the idea

 

Uh... what? When did I mention anything about attempting a proper switch? What are you referring to when you say "good start"? I mean, I've tried switching, but I didn't talk about it here, and I didn't use the dominance swap thing. All I did was attempt to ignore my body by focusing on wonderland stuff while telling her to try to possess me. No success at all so far.

Now THAT is a misread, i thought you said you said you did do that, not once you do that you will do something, but yeah see if you can get some answers from Sands, see if you can get a good method to switch for your situation.


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>tulpaes

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Anyways yeah. I had tons of problems with this guide earlier on if you happen to read the past pages. It's really bad. It's confusing, doesn't explain many things (and testing has never explained them when asked about them because it seems that he can't understand our questions or something) and it's just full of symbolism. Tons of typos and such too, and I don't think this guide would even be a good guide if I bothered to correct them all myself. There's just too much of them and the core part of this guide is confusing or doesn't have enough meat. If someone else thinks differently, go ahead and try to rewrite this into something that makes sense. I can't do that.

 

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