waffles January 5, 2014 Share January 5, 2014 By trolling the official IRC channels, you make the community as a whole -- and by extension, tulpamancers in general -- look bad. We would ban anyone who did what you guys did there. It makes it worse that you're GATs and in waffles' case, a GAT manager. You're in a position where we extended you some power over the community: the power to dictate which guides will be in the spotlight. This gives you a certain amount of image of authority on the subject, and makes you more of a representative of the community than an ordinary user. As such, you should act the part. I neither appeared in #tulpa.info in my capacity as GAT manager nor even in the name I use in that capacity. Anyone who knows who I am and what I do as a GAT manager will probably not care a whole lot about what I do outside of that, as well as be able to form a well-informed opinion of both me and the community at large. And if this is about who is potentially watching in that channel, rest assured I'm pretty sure no-one saw. The channel is disused and no-one speaks in there for most of the day. You do point every newcomer to the newer channels on the new server. You expect us to act professional when dealing with you. Act as you wish to be treated. No, Chupi, I don't expect you to treat me professionally when I have 'giraffe' in my name. If you think you should treat that seriously, then maybe that's the problem. In any case, the same thing as what I said above applies here too. You treat the GAT manager seriously, and you don't the giraffe. It's pretty easy to tell the two apart. Giraffe trolling is most certainly not professional, especially when you continue the act when confronted about it. Heck, you're still doing it by continuing to insist that your trolling was sincere. Sands is already arguing this with you so I won't open a second front. But in my view it's harmless fun. You're casting it in a negative light rather unfairly. But hey, criticise the GAT when I start posting giraffe puns in guide reviews. Until then, I think you shouldn't be complaining here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sands January 5, 2014 Share January 5, 2014 Well, because Chupi wants to be off-topic, let's. We all know you were trolling, and anyone reading the log of it that I posted will reach the same conclusion. Some small portion may have been serious, but it was almost all troll. Really, you know we are trolling when we, in fact, weren't? You have the logs of #tuppers, where we constantly said we'll be on-topic. That apparently means we decided to troll. Being on-topic. Talking about tulpas. Which is why I believe Skye didn't post the logs anywhere after he seemed to threaten us about how he knew and implied like he had a way to prove it, except he didn't. So he couldn't really post a log about something that didn't show us talking about trolling at all. Circlejerking and joking about tulpas is not on topic, and does not belong in the channel for serious tulpa discussion. Us starting the conversation, Avalanche telling few tips he has learned this far: [17:09:15] So how about them girulpas? [17:09:28] going well [17:09:29] you? [17:09:37] I'm having a bit of a tough time [17:09:40] You should be the one to tell us [17:09:43] Because you just started [17:10:02] Wanna tell us about narration and what you have learned [17:10:02] Well, you know [17:10:04] early days [17:10:07] Sure [17:10:09] and all the questions and problems you had [17:10:14] you need to feel [17:10:27] Feel what? [17:10:29] and you need to stick with it and keep going, and don't just ignore everything early on. Myself starting the chat about how Roswell's first vocal responses felt, later on waffles talks a bit about his first vocal responses. Not ignoring is a major tip, which is a good one. Waffles has his tasting tulpas joke, but tasting them is actually a really good imagination practice. I suggest you try it. [17:10:41] Ignoring is silly [17:10:48] Like I told you some time ago [17:10:53] feeling is related to tasting [17:10:59] So many points in the whole process where I could have ignored stuff, you know? [17:11:01] feeling is tasting with the tongue [17:11:05] I mean [17:11:08] I didn't really feel like it was ALIEN or anything [17:11:12] feeling is tasting with the mind [17:11:21] tasting is feeling with the tongue [17:11:27] and I sure wasn't going to blindly believe because that's stupid too [17:11:27] What if I taste my tongue? [17:11:36] you can't taste your tongue [17:11:38] but just allowing it to exist and listening is really good you know? [17:11:51] you don't have to believe or doubt [17:11:53] yeah. when I first got responses I wasn't all oh hey shit [17:11:56] just let it be [17:12:05] I was kind of "okay" and carried on what I was doing [17:12:05] you can listen [17:12:07] yeah [17:12:09] Take it slow and steady? [17:12:10] and I did pay attention to them [17:12:13] but I wasn't like [17:12:15] obsessive [17:12:17] * SkyeWint yawns [17:12:23] OMG VOCAL NOW??? stuff didn't happen [17:12:28] it was very gradual Avalanche's concentration problems conversation, asked him if he took breaks like he was suggested or if we should try to find another way for him, Skye ruins the conversation after this so I never found out: [17:13:14] Your first response probably doesn't feel like it's legit [17:13:19] yeah [17:13:37] but if you ignore it and never accept anything that feels like it, you're kinda shooting yourself in the hoof [17:13:54] That isn't my main problem you see. [17:13:57] Mm. There's a difference between "girulpas" and "tulpas". Just like there's a difference between "discussion" and "trolling". [17:13:59] Well not yet [17:14:00] For me, it's the long forcing sessions. [17:14:05] Hint. [17:14:05] yeah [17:14:07] Hint. [17:14:12] did you try to take breaks yet? [17:14:13] If I lie in bed, I might fall asleep [17:14:14] there's a difference between a channel filled with giraffes and a dead channel though [17:14:19] if I sit, my neck starts to hurt [17:14:19] You said you haven't had time to force yet [17:14:19] not like anyone's missing out on anything [17:14:30] I have [17:14:36] but I haven't just been able to. [17:14:45] right well that's the same thing [17:14:46] I lose focus. I think about high up leaves and things. [17:14:46] eh, you won't fall asleep if you're concentrating [17:14:49] keep the lights on [17:14:52] don't do it at night [17:14:53] and so on [17:14:55] did you try the breaks? Then maybe he shouldn't have come in with a giraffe nick talking about "girulpas". That is different from you having a googirl nick or calling tulpas chalupas/tupperware how? From the beginning. "giraffe friends", Why can't he call us giraffe friends? "girulpa", Again, chalupa, tupperware. Those are banned now? "feeling is tasting with the mind / tasting is feeling with the tongue", Hah, that's funny. And maybe philosophical. I think this could make for a good discussion somewhere. "I lose focus. I think about high up leaves and things." What is wrong about him thinking leaves high on the trees? Need I continue? Please do, I see no shitposting. You know darn well when you're trolling. I don't, but it's good that you, oh mighty Chupi, know exactly what I'm thinking and doing when I don't myself! Claiming otherwise only makes you look like a fool. Oh no saying the truth makes me look like a fool. :<<< Not like it makes Skye look like a fool for kicking and banning on-topic tulpa discussion about legitimate problems (Avalanche's off-site progress report which is much older than what happened yesterday has been linked to both Skye and Rasznir, Skye didn't say anything about it) and you brought this on him by posting logs of him acting like an idiot. He wasn't trolling with you, and he most certainly wasn't as bad as you. He did however join for the sole purpose of calling out the supposed "mod abuse" and participated in the irrational anti-mod crybaby fest. He asked a question and only said few lines of text. I think you are projecting here and being irrational about your anti-mod fears you have, when you act in such a rash way for few lines of text. Bannable offense now. As a side note, it looks like you all got off REALLY light. According to the ban list, you got 1-day bans for this. Given that it's a repeat offense, I'm quite surprised you didn't get a month. There shouldn't have been any bans. I'm not sure what made the unbans happen, but I guess I can hope that Rasznir actually listened and tried to make things well when he saw all the evidence of Skye being ridiculous. Not sure how it actually happened though. 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Zero January 6, 2014 Share January 6, 2014 oh my god you fuckers are still at this stop being a butthurt anti-mod circlejerk, this is exactly why i wanted there to be more than 10 members in the GAT, so this bullshit would be called out on. GAT isn't the place for discussing your anti or pro-mod shit but you should at least keep giraffe discussions out of this goddamn thread unless it relates to how you're behaving as a GAT. this goes for Chupi, Sands, and whoever the fuck else is discussing goddamn giraffe nicks. yes, you should behave professionally, but nobody is on the rizon tulpa channels anymore anyway, so it's not a big deal. and for the other side, you should stop going along with that muh irc mischief shit because it's literally toddler mentality. you'll look like an 8 year old with a proper vocabulary if you do that shit. pull your heads out of your asses and start focusing on actual problems rather than creating problems and then going "whaaat i didn't do nothing!!!" like a 5 year old who thinks nobody's seeing that he's playing dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderClap January 6, 2014 Share January 6, 2014 Thread split for being off-topic from GAT discussion. Original thread: http://community.tulpa.info/thread-gat-complaints-general My guide on tulpa creation Please consider making a private grant to tulpa.info to keep the community alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobillis January 6, 2014 Share January 6, 2014 This discussion is missing the point in my opinion. The bans were for "pushing the rules" ("to see if they break?"; which this, seems to me, pretty much was the case). "Pushing the rules" is against the rules: Trying to exploit a loophole will be treated as actually breaking the rules. And, whilst I appreciate a good jape, the whole "giraffe" in-joke is kind of harassing one of the staff [for those not privy to the reference]. That's my understanding of it. I derp sometimes, but my opinion isn't always wrong. Since we are being "open" about things these days, here's how I saw things :On #tulpa.info on rizon (2014-01-04) (all timestamps are in EST) Note if it isn't obvious: giraffles is waffles and giraffnds is Sands [17:05:58] *** Joins: giraffles (~waffles@cccp.su) [17:06:36] *** Joins: reguile (~quassel@B1237769.2836C3E5.F4E015ED.IP) [17:07:57] *** Joins: giraffalanche (~Avalanche@Rizon-9735C0CF.dsl.digiweb.ie) [17:07:57] *** Joins: giraffnds (~Hurrdurr@Rizon-1D2CBCEE.bb.dnainternet.fi) [17:08:08] Hey [17:08:11] uh oh [17:08:12] hey man [17:08:19] sup giraffe friends [17:08:24] oh hey [17:09:15] So how about them girulpas? [17:09:28] going well [17:09:29] you? [17:09:37] I'm having a bit of a tough time [17:09:40] You should be the one to tell us [17:09:43] Because you just started [17:10:02] Wanna tell us about narration and what you have learned [17:10:02] Well, you know [17:10:04] early days [17:10:07] Sure [17:10:09] and all the questions and problems you had [17:10:14] you need to feel [17:10:27] Feel what? [17:10:29] and you need to stick with it and keep going, and don't just ignore everything early on. [17:10:35] Feel your girulpa. [17:10:37] Sounds good [17:10:41] you gotta feeeeeel [17:10:41] Ignoring is silly [17:10:48] Like I told you some time ago [17:10:53] feeling is related to tasting [17:10:59] So many points in the whole process where I could have ignored stuff, you know? [17:11:01] feeling is tasting with the tongue [17:11:05] I mean [17:11:08] I didn't really feel like it was ALIEN or anything [17:11:12] feeling is tasting with the mind [17:11:21] tasting is feeling with the tongue [17:11:27] and I sure wasn't going to blindly believe because that's stupid too [17:11:27] What if I taste my tongue? [17:11:36] you can't taste your tongue [17:11:38] but just allowing it to exist and listening is really good you know? [17:11:51] you don't have to believe or doubt [17:11:53] yeah. when I first got responses I wasn't all oh hey shit [17:11:56] just let it be [17:12:05] I was kind of "okay" and carried on what I was doing [17:12:05] you can listen [17:12:07] yeah [17:12:09] Take it slow and steady? [17:12:10] and I did pay attention to them [17:12:13] but I wasn't like [17:12:15] obsessive [17:12:17] * SkyeWint yawns [17:12:23] OMG VOCAL NOW??? stuff didn't happen [17:12:28] it was very gradual [17:12:29] Man. [17:12:36] Ah, I see. [17:12:37] um excuse me [17:12:41] I thought you guys had your own community to spam with giraffes. [17:12:42] it's "giraffe". [17:12:48] sorry now [17:12:49] "man" is insulting. [17:12:57] So like [17:13:00] We are talking about girulpas, are we not? [17:13:06] That's on topic I think [17:13:14] Your first response probably doesn't feel like it's legit [17:13:19] yeah [17:13:37] but if you ignore it and never accept anything that feels like it, you're kinda shooting yourself in the hoof [17:13:54] That isn't my main problem you see. [17:13:57] Mm. There's a difference between "girulpas" and "tulpas". Just like there's a difference between "discussion" and "trolling". [17:13:59] Well not yet [17:14:00] For me, it's the long forcing sessions. [17:14:05] Hint. [17:14:05] yeah [17:14:07] Hint. [17:14:12] did you try to take breaks yet? [17:14:13] If I lie in bed, I might fall asleep [17:14:14] there's a difference between a channel filled with giraffes and a dead channel though [17:14:19] if I sit, my neck starts to hurt [17:14:19] You said you haven't had time to force yet [17:14:19] not like anyone's missing out on anything [17:14:30] I have [17:14:36] but I haven't just been able to. [17:14:45] right well that's the same thing [17:14:46] I lose focus. I think about high up leaves and things. [17:14:46] eh, you won't fall asleep if you're concentrating [17:14:49] keep the lights on [17:14:52] don't do it at night [17:14:53] and so on [17:14:55] did you try the breaks? [17:14:55] I'm missing out on my beauty sleep. Have some legitimate discussion or stop. [17:14:56] Hmm [17:15:04] Pretty much everybody knows that you're not being honest right now ^_^ [17:15:15] except this is actually a legit discussion [17:15:18] Uh but this is a problem Sammy has? [17:15:20] We are talking about tulpas? [17:15:24] giraffalanche does have these problems legit [17:15:25] Excuse me now [17:15:27] we're talking about his concentration problem [17:15:29] this is on topic [17:15:32] sorry but, please [17:15:37] please now [17:15:39] shtop [17:15:44] "just started", say the older members that left to make their own split community. [17:15:52] Yeah, he just started [17:15:53] 'scuse me if I don't believe you. [17:15:54] I'm sorry? [17:15:55] you know him right? [17:15:58] I started in the new year. [17:16:02] He was a part of this ages ago [17:16:13] Just now came back to start a tupper again [17:16:14] geez skye keep up [17:16:14] I've been around since before your time, short neck. [17:16:29] normally you'd have good reason to think this, I'll admit [17:16:32] *** giraffnds was kicked by SkyeWint (And it becomes even more obvious.) [17:16:34] but in this case you are mistaken [17:16:37] Gods! [17:16:40] *** giraffles was kicked by SkyeWint (Doesn't look like it.) [17:16:44] *** Joins: giraffles (~waffles@cccp.su) [17:16:44] *** giraffalanche was kicked by SkyeWint (severe autism) [17:16:54] you can even go look at his PR on tulpanetwork though [17:16:54] *** Joins: giraffalanche (~Avalanche@Rizon-9735C0CF.dsl.digiweb.ie) [17:17:01] it's all there [17:17:02] You have a community. [17:17:07] probably too much shitposting for your tastes [17:17:09] but eh [17:17:28] that /would/ be the issue. [17:17:41] but the PR is legit [17:17:41] Well I'll be. [17:17:47] and full of his whining about being shit [17:17:49] Now, mind going back to your own community that you made because this place doesn't allow shitposting? ^_^ [17:17:50] so we can't even talk on topic with the nicks we want. [17:17:50] you know, as usual [17:18:00] How is this shitposting? [17:18:12] we were like, advising him on how to not lose concentration and shit [17:18:24] This is serious [17:18:34] SkyeWint, I'd appreciate you let me listen to these guys [17:18:45] *** Joins: Heartmender (~quora@netsplit.princess) [17:18:45] *** GlaD0S sets mode: +v Heartmender [17:18:56] Funny. You specifically joined here to start the conversation while all in #tuppers and were talking about coming in here [17:19:02] 'scuse me if I don't believe you. [17:19:12] #tuppers is a comedy channel [17:19:18] this is where the serious discussion happens. [17:19:31] *** Joins: Averian (~niggaworl@Rizon-A5E19643.eastlink.ca) [17:19:39] I smell mod abuse [17:19:51] My nick isn't abusive or anything [17:19:56] I'm talking on topic [17:19:59] Hi, um.... We know you're trolling, and we don't have to justify it because you know you're trolling too. [17:20:06] So quit it, aye? [17:20:08] I'm talking on topic! [17:20:13] Also sup Pleeb [17:20:26] well not really [17:20:31] this is standard advice-giving [17:20:33] Ah well. No point in beating around the bush [17:20:40] just everyone is a giraffe [17:20:44] nothing wrong with that [17:21:03] is it really bad to be a giraffe? [17:21:03] Where are the rules that say you can't have an animal related nick? [17:21:08] Seriously? [17:21:24] It's not up for arguement because you guys are not invalids. [17:21:32] Righty-o [17:21:39] invalids? [17:21:40] No point in continuing this [17:21:44] what does being a cripple have to do with anything [17:22:03] See you in a week if you decide to come back, you four (since this includes Sands) [17:22:04] *** SkyeWint sets mode: +bbbb *!*@Rizon-1D2CBCEE.bb.dnainternet.fi *!*@cccp.su *!*@Rizon-9735C0CF.dsl.digiweb.ie *!*@Rizon-A5E19643.eastlink.ca [17:22:05] *** giraffles was kicked by Yggdrasil (Banned) [17:22:05] *** giraffalanche was kicked by Yggdrasil (Banned) [17:22:05] *** Averian was kicked by Yggdrasil (Banned) On #tuppers on rizon (2014-01-05) Time Prefix Text 07:08:28 JD1215 You giraffes were fabulous 07:08:32 JD1215 10/10 07:10:20 Matty2 JD1215 07:10:33 JD1215 what 07:10:45 Matty2 http://prntscr.com/2gnu0m 07:10:47 Matty2 What 07:10:49 Matty2 My name 07:10:50 Matty2 aaa 07:10:55 <-- Matty2 (~iTz@Rizon-F841854E.ip168.fastwebnet.it) has quit 07:11:08 --> Matty2 (~iTz@Rizon-F841854E.ip168.fastwebnet.it) has joined #tuppers 07:11:16 JD1215 I don't know what I'm looking at 07:11:17 <-- Matty2 (~iTz@Rizon-F841854E.ip168.fastwebnet.it) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 07:11:22 --> Xygon (~iTz@Oxy.Gone.Low) has joined #tuppers 07:11:31 Xygon there 07:11:35 JD1215 WHAT AM I LOOKING AT 07:11:43 Xygon MY ART 07:12:16 JD1215 WHAT DOES IT MEAN 07:13:46 Xygon http://prntscr.com/2gnw0f 07:13:48 Xygon dunno 07:14:45 <-- Kiahdaj (~Setekh@Rizon-C4D694E2.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) has quit (Quit: Leaving) 07:17:00 Xygon JD1215 ^ 07:17:12 JD1215 IUNNO WATITMEANS 07:17:24 Xygon IT MEANS 07:17:28 Xygon GOOD NEWS BOYS AND GIRLS 07:17:32 Xygon THEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY ARE HEREEEE 07:17:57 <-- FlutterRaven (~FlutterRa@Flutters.Raven) has quit (Quit: FlutterRaven) 07:22:19 Xygon http://prntscr.com/2gnx7h 07:22:20 Xygon JD1215 07:23:13 JD1215 How am I supposed to jerk off to this 07:25:20 [Heartmender away: Idle] 07:29:23 Xygon you impose the piece of art 07:29:33 --> reguile (~quassel@B1237769.2836C3E5.F4E015ED.IP) has joined #tuppers 07:38:52 Xygon JD1215 07:38:52 Xygon http://prntscr.com/2gnzlx 07:49:56 --> Kiahdaj (~Setekh@Rizon-C4D694E2.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) has joined #tuppers 08:08:59 [Heartmender back: gone 00:43:39] 08:13:46 <-- Clear_Runway (~Clear_run@D84FACBE.95F3FBF0.14139205.IP) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08:35:16 <-- reguile (~quassel@B1237769.2836C3E5.F4E015ED.IP) has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 08:39:00 <-- JD1215 (~JD1215@tulpacalypse.2014) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09:02:32 <-- WernerBernard (~Werner@Rizon-D7E06924.cpe.webspeed.dk) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 09:02:50 --> WernerBernard (~Werner@Rizon-D7E06924.cpe.webspeed.dk) has joined #tuppers 09:46:50 [Heartmender away: Idle] 09:53:16 --> Soprano[sarah|Check} (~SopranoSa@Rizon-65873484.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has joined #tuppers 09:53:17 @votebot Soprano[sarah|Check}, you have a 'badge' in your nick. We do not tolerate them; read the rules for info. I will kick you in two minutes if you don't change your nick (/nick newnick) or leave the channel. 09:53:27 <-- Soprano[sarah|Check} (~SopranoSa@Rizon-65873484.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) has left #tuppers (Leaving) 10:06:50 --> Momo (~quassel@AD8177A2.A28279D6.DC119D06.IP) has joined #tuppers 10:39:08 <-- differentname22 (~different@foss.nerd.plus.other.stuff) has quit (Remote host closed the connection) 10:41:08 --> differentname22 (~different@foss.nerd.plus.other.stuff) has joined #tuppers 10:41:16 <-- differentname22 (~different@foss.nerd.plus.other.stuff) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11:04:11 <-- Yotslot (~kvirc@Rizon-5158DBB4.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11:11:26 <-- GrandmaJim (~GrandmaJi@Ill.Grandmate.You) has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 11:27:17 [Heartmender back: gone 01:40:27] 11:47:30 [Heartmender away: Idle] 12:20:53 --> Sands (~Hurrdurr@Rizon-12EBFF1D.bb.dnainternet.fi) has joined #tuppers 12:20:53 -- Mode #tuppers [+qo Sands Sands] by ChanServ 12:21:02 -- Mode #tuppers [-q Sands] by Sands 12:21:06 -- Mode #tuppers [-o Sands] by Sands 12:21:10 Sands gei 12:23:32 giraffles >GATs, including a GAT Manager, probably shouldn't be trolling the chat with fake giraffe discussion. 12:23:34 giraffles :< 12:30:32 Sands I responded 12:36:46 Sands no need to feel bad over what anyone says when you're right and you know it 12:36:51 Sands and they're the ones mistaken 12:36:54 Xygon f-frt 12:37:54 giraffles I guess I'd rather just let him be all offensive and wonder why it matters 12:38:08 giraffles it was half-joke and half serious, and all in all no harm done 12:38:08 Sands oh no I'm not letting this go that easily 12:38:14 giraffles so on top of that I don't see why he should make a big deal about it 12:38:14 Sands Skye is showing bad mod characteristics 12:38:19 giraffles that's like 12:38:23 giraffles standard skye 12:38:27 Sands so he has to be told of those and made sure it never happens again 12:38:33 giraffles ea is the exact same of course 12:38:35 Sands or #.info is even shittier than it has been 12:38:57 giraffles I don't know, those are the only two active mods usually and they are pretty kick-happy 12:38:59 Sands If Skye usually kicks and bans for on topic talking 12:39:08 Sands then that's pretty fucking bad 12:39:26 Sands and such a mod needs to have their kick powers taken away until they can act like a rational human being 12:39:30 Sands capable of modding 12:39:38 Sands and understands that sometimes they are wrong 12:39:51 Xygon and suddenly 12:39:55 Xygon an echo coming from all the mods 12:39:57 Xygon "no can do" 12:46:50 Sands I'm pretty sure Rasznir would realize that some rotten shit is going on 12:46:58 Sands he's the reasonable one of them right now 12:47:14 giraffles and when you're saying that 12:47:20 giraffles you know something's gone wrong 12:47:25 Sands And actually takes critique and wants to make .info better 12:47:26 Sands yep 12:47:46 Sands I guess people like Kiahdaj and thunderclap probably would see Skye's fucked up acting but 12:47:59 Sands I don't think they as new mods+a part of #tuppers circlejerk would have any power 12:48:13 Sands better to go to the admin anyways 12:48:55 Sands So, because Rasznir has listened to my ideas in the past and actually used them to make the forums slightly better, maybe he realizes there's one huge fucking problem over at the irc 12:49:02 Sands which also should matter to him somewhat I hope 12:49:27 Sands Like seriously, you just don't kick and ban when people are actually talking about tulpas 12:49:38 Sands on a channel that has a strict stay on-topic rule 12:50:00 giraffles yes 12:50:10 giraffles the mods should lighten up for fuck's sake 12:50:10 Sands so guess we'll see 12:50:15 Sands pretty sure he read the thing 12:50:21 giraffles I actually found it difficult to speak in #topic.info without being kicked 12:50:30 giraffles like, I was trying not to be kicked 12:50:30 Sands also if the problem is the giraffe names, I can accept that as long as chupi never is goopi on #.info again 12:50:36 giraffles but it still happened twice 12:50:39 giraffles thanks ea 12:50:54 Sands because chupi is doing the same thing 12:51:02 Sands he's a slimegirl, his name is goo+chupi 12:51:10 giraffles quite right 12:51:17 Sands we're giraffes, our names are giraffe+sands and giraffe+waffles 12:51:30 Sands nothing is wrong there is nothing is wrong with chupi 12:51:43 giraffles although some of our names are more euphonic than others] 12:51:47 Sands So either the kick and ban rule is used to him too or against no one 12:51:49 giraffles ahem giraffnds 12:51:59 Sands you like it 12:52:10 giraffles giraffalanche is my favourite 12:52:24 giraffles also sands I have to correct you 12:52:30 giraffles my name is giraffe+caonimaffles 12:52:36 Sands oh sorry 12:52:49 Sands I'll be sure to use that if Rasznir asks 13:15:46 --> Avalanche (~Avalanche@Rizon-9735C0CF.dsl.digiweb.ie) has 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We do not tolerate them; read the rules for info. I will kick you in two minutes if you don't change your nick (/nick newnick) or leave the channel. 14:19:24 Quenz[Quenz] Heheheh.... 14:19:32 Sands You heard the man 14:19:33 Sands uh, bot 14:20:02 <-- votebot has kicked Quenz[Quenz] (badge) 14:20:21 --> Quenz (~User_name@wonder.land) has joined #tuppers 14:20:26 * Quenz sighs 14:20:51 Sands Might wanna keep the /me whoring to a minimum too, doesn't really tell us much you know 14:20:55 Sands what are you up to, then? 14:22:52 Quenz It's just a form of expression. I don't know how I was whoring. Up to, hm. Pondering on the fact some tulpamancers tulpas do stuff when they're not thinking about them, even early in development. My tulpa says nothing happens when I'm not thinking about them. Maybe that happens because I expected it to. Hmm. 14:23:25 Solomon Hey Colonel, I dreamt you were using Google+. 14:23:42 Quenz Interesting dream. 14:23:55 Solomon I don't need lies right now, Quenz. 14:24:08 Sands yes 14:24:16 Sands Well, I dunno 14:24:36 Sands you and your tupper could easily just go "welp can't do anything when not being paid attention to" so they don't even try 14:24:43 Sands it's the mind, after all 14:24:54 Sands nocebo is a thing 14:25:18 Sands How young is the tupper in question? 14:26:23 Quenz I think I'll change that assumption now though, since I've heard other tulpas chuck parties while their host isn't paying attention. My tulpa isn't that young I don't think, just underdeveloped, because I'm a slacker. Let me see... 5 months. 14:27:46 Sands well compared to your age which is in double digit years 14:27:47 Quenz I heard Fede frowns upon tulpas who are proxied, why is that? Is it because it's like a shortcut for possession or switching? 14:27:48 Sands it is super young 14:28:01 Sands I dunno if he frowns upon that 14:28:09 Sands he frown upon attentionwhoring I'd think 14:28:19 Sands which it usually turns into when people start being all 14:28:22 Quenz Quite underdeveloped compared to age though. 14:28:27 Sands well you know, maybe you've seen it 14:28:40 Sands all OMG AM TUPPER KEKEKE LET'S HAVE TEH TUPPER SEKS ^O^ 14:28:58 * Quenz rolls eyes 14:29:09 Sands that's also /me whoring 14:29:16 Sands you rolling your eyes tells us nothing 14:29:20 Sands we can't answer to it 14:29:29 Sands it's not a part of the conversation 14:29:41 Sands We're using a written medium so I suggest you voice your opinions okay? 14:30:04 Sands Because maybe we want to know so we can have a conversation? 14:30:14 Quenz Not in my opinion. I assumed it told you I thought that was silly, like if I did it in real life. My tulpa was actually quite reluctant to reveal whether they were a tulpa or host. 14:30:16 Sands instead of just roleplaying our actions 14:30:22 * Sands sits on a chair 14:30:30 * Sands should go and do the laundry 14:30:33 * Sands farts 14:30:47 Sands but really, thanks for the clarification 14:30:53 Sands I had no idea before you said it 14:31:04 Sands But really, a smart tupper and host will never have problems talking to others 14:31:15 Sands or well, they might but you won't be told off for being an annoying attentionwhore, you know? 14:31:26 Quenz Yeah. 14:31:37 Sands so if the tupper wants to talk, go ahead 14:31:44 Sands badging is kind of frowned upon though 14:31:58 Quenz Obviously. 14:32:18 Sands Better to let them hog the spotlight when they talk 14:32:27 Sands I am at least gonna assume you're usually the one talking 14:32:40 Sands so if you have to share, they're not getting the time they deserve 14:32:42 Quenz At this time, yes. 14:32:55 Sands but anyways 14:33:03 Sands I think when it comes to like, being independent and stuff for tulpas 14:33:10 Sands their own attitude also affects a lot 14:33:18 Quenz I hope one day that we get around equal time. 14:33:24 Sands >the horn is all I AM A STRONG INDEPENDENT TUPPER AND I NEED NO MAN 14:33:35 Sands and so, he kind of is that way 14:33:38 Sands or at least claims so 14:33:49 Quenz I think that's better than the opposite though. 14:33:55 Sands it is kinda yeah 14:34:06 Sands his own determination is what allows him to do stuff 14:35:37 Avalanche Soup guys. 14:36:02 Avalanche I don't suppose any of you know how to ulitize the Sort and Sweep method for Axis Aligned Bounding Boxes? 14:36:26 Quenz That doesn't have anything to do with tulpas, does it? 14:36:32 Quenz In either case, no. 14:36:36 Quenz I don't. 14:37:05 Avalanche It's for a test I have tomorrow. 14:38:51 Avalanche Or, does anyone know what Utility function is? 14:43:15 Sands nope 14:44:40 Avalanche My lecturer for this subject is hopeless 14:45:21 Avalanche I'm looking over some example exam papers and there are questions here based on the stuff we've done. All the notes he's given us are just little diagrams and examples of answers, but not HOW to get those answers. 14:45:35 Avalanche I can't just google this shit either. 14:46:22 Sands the how is probably shit he taught you during classes 14:46:39 Sands anyways I'll go do the laundry 14:47:17 Avalanche He did teach us how. But that's useless if he doesn't give us notes on it. I have some notes that I took down, but am I supposed to remember everything he says during each lecture? 14:53:54 giraffles um sweep and prune is pretty simple 14:54:14 giraffles I don't know what you want to know about it, but I can explain it if you want 14:54:45 <-- Cobra` (~coprah@Rizon-71FE74F3.de) has quit (Quit: so long) 14:55:08 giraffles the truth is that every algorithm with a name has at least one paper detailing how to do it in detail and at least one stackoverflow answer simplifying that paper 14:55:18 giraffles so google is your friend 14:55:21 Avalanche I tried that 14:55:37 Avalanche I have this table of numbers with A, B, C over each column 14:55:51 Avalanche and it says "Use AABB to see if a collision happens" 14:56:08 giraffles yes 14:56:14 Avalanche Apply Sort and Sweep method, not AABB 14:56:30 giraffles sort and sweep is applied to AABBs 14:56:38 giraffles I guess the table is a load of coordinates? 14:57:14 Avalanche http://i.imgur.com/g0aOcSW.png 14:58:30 giraffles um that table is a bit ambiguous for me because I don't know what those symbols mean 14:58:32 giraffles but okay 14:58:43 giraffles it gives you descriptions of three AABBs 14:58:46 Avalanche That's all it give me. 14:58:54 giraffles and you use sort and sweep to test them 14:59:16 Avalanche right. how do 14:59:21 giraffles do you remember how your professor taught you to implement AABBs? 14:59:29 giraffles actually I can guess 14:59:50 [Heartmender back: gone 01:12:00] 15:00:04 Avalanche I don't remember 15:00:30 giraffles but I suppose he's given you a coordinate followed by extent in that direction, for three directions 15:01:34 giraffles anyway, sort and sweep is pretty simple 15:01:35 Avalanche I suppose? 15:01:49 giraffles first you take one dimension 15:02:18 giraffles and take an ordered list of start and end points for the AABBs in that dimension 15:02:49 giraffles for every start point you come across you assign them to a list of 'open' AABBs 15:02:58 Solomon Who did you "hear" that from, Quenz? 15:03:33 giraffles and for every end point you remove them from that list, plus add the AABB paired with any objects in that list to another record of pairwise collisions 15:03:50 giraffles I guess that's pretty unclear language 15:04:17 Avalanche yes 15:04:48 giraffles okay 15:04:54 giraffles you have three structures 15:05:20 Quenz Hmm? Oh. Good question. 15:05:27 giraffles one is an ordered list of minimums and maximums along one dimension, each associated with the AABB it belongs two 15:05:33 giraffles let's call it L 15:05:58 Solomon You're saying you can't answer the question? Someone wrote it and you read it. 15:06:05 giraffles the second is a list of all the AABBs whose minimums you've encountered and whose maximums you have not 15:06:21 giraffles a list of 'open' AABBs, as it were. let's call it O. 15:06:48 giraffles lastly, you have a list of pairwise collisions for further testing. that means that each object on the list has two AABBs that overlap. 15:06:56 giraffles we'll call this list P. 15:07:01 giraffles with me so far? 15:07:14 Avalanche What is P? 15:07:22 Avalanche Pairwise collisions?? 15:07:31 giraffles a list of them, yes 15:07:42 giraffles O and P both start off empty 15:07:46 Avalanche Right 15:07:58 Solomon Quenz, answer me. 15:08:06 giraffles so we traverse L 15:08:18 Quenz Not sure. That's what I meant. 15:08:31 Solomon Okay. Where did you read it then? 15:08:31 giraffles and for every minimum point we encounter, we add the associated AABB to O. 15:08:54 giraffles for every maximum point we encounter, we remove the associated AABB from O, and additionally 15:09:22 giraffles we pair the associated AABB with every other AABB currently in O, and add all those pairs to P. 15:10:03 Avalanche no, what 15:10:06 Solomon Quenz, do I need to ping you every time? 15:10:26 Avalanche "we pair the associated AABB with every other AABB currently in O" 15:10:29 giraffles is the pairwise bit confusing you 15:10:31 giraffles okay 15:10:51 giraffles let's say we currently have three AABBs in O, a, b, and c 15:11:21 giraffles we've encountered b's maximum point, so we remove b from O 15:11:34 Quenz Sorry. I'm kind of preoccupied, so yes. I'm not sure of that either. Could have been ages ago. 15:11:36 Avalanche what do you mean encountered? 15:11:56 giraffles I mean going along L, that's the next point we process 15:12:33 giraffles got that? 15:13:20 Solomon Quenz: "Ages ago". I don't frown upon proxied tuppers. I frown upon the practice of spending more time proxying a tupper than actively developing it, if one still considers the tupper as being "in-development". So this would not apply to Colonel, for instance. 15:13:26 Avalanche So as we go along L, we move each minimum point to O? 15:13:41 giraffles we don't move it, exactly 15:13:44 Avalanche and when we reach the max point of that object, we move it to O and remove the 15:13:46 Avalanche oh ffs 15:14:27 Avalanche Work it through with the picture I sent 15:14:40 giraffles do you know C? 15:15:08 Avalanche It's on the table, I see it? 15:15:20 Quenz I see, you're Fede, Solomon? 15:15:25 giraffles the programming language 15:15:31 Avalanche Not really 15:15:35 giraffles well I'll go through verbally then 15:15:57 giraffles okay, so we have our three AABBs a, b and c 15:16:04 giraffles lowercase okay 15:16:14 Avalanche yes 15:16:28 giraffles we make our three lists that I outlined earlier 15:16:44 giraffles let's make objects because it's easy 15:16:51 giraffles we make a class called point 15:17:33 giraffles it has information about where it is on one axis, whether it's a min or max, and which AABB it belongs to 15:17:36 giraffles so for example 15:17:54 * Solomon /me whores and deliberately doesn't answer Quenzez queztion. 15:18:46 giraffles I'm going to assume that the first set of numbers is the x axis 15:18:52 giraffles or say it is so 15:19:26 --> roflmao (roflm@o) has joined #tuppers 15:19:28 giraffles a's minimum on the x axis would look like {pos: 100, min: yes, BB: a} 15:20:00 giraffles and its maximum like {pos: 125, min: no, BB: a} 15:20:07 giraffles with me so far? 15:20:40 Avalanche yes 15:21:05 giraffles so we pick a dimension and fill L with all the necessary information for that dimension 15:21:22 giraffles the mins and maxes of a, b and c in that dimension 15:21:32 roflmao oh god, I expected this so much: * Topic is 'The tulpa.info Rizon channels will be muted on January 10, as they are unused at this point. Read http://pastebin.com/T69Zdp2Q. Please send a /msg to a mod if you have any questions.' * Set by SkyeWint!~Float@skye.and.winter 15:21:42 giraffles then we order all the objects on L by pos, from smallest to largest 15:21:52 giraffles that's L set up 15:22:13 Sands If we get unbent then what if we make them used? 15:22:23 giraffles the objects on O are just going to be a reference to AABBs. in this case we can just use a character. 15:22:59 giraffles and the objects in P are just going to be pairs of characters. for example, {b, c} denoting a pairwise collision between b and c. 15:23:14 giraffles O and P both start off empty. and that's our init done. still with me? 15:23:45 Avalanche yes 15:24:09 giraffles great. our main program is a loop that traverses L. 15:24:16 roflmao how'd you get banned Sands 15:24:32 giraffles for each object on L we look if it's a max or min, and act appropriately 15:24:52 Sands I think I got bent at least 15:24:55 giraffles if it's a min, we add the AABB that it belongs to to O 15:24:57 Sands for the same reason as the rest 15:25:08 Sands as in, we wee on topic and talked about tuppers and Sammy's problems 15:25:12 Sands so Skye kicked and bent us 15:25:34 giraffles for example, if our object on L is {pos: 90, min: yes, BB: b} 15:25:45 Avalanche It's minB? 15:25:47 Sands I can send you the pm I sent Rasznir about what happened 15:25:50 giraffles yes 15:25:56 Sands You want it, mayo? 15:26:03 Solomon The rest of us may not know. 15:26:06 giraffles we add the character 'b' as an object on L 15:26:09 giraffles I mean 15:26:13 giraffles as an object on O 15:26:14 Sands just too lazy to pastebin it because it has quotes and such 15:26:17 Solomon Uhhuh. 15:26:19 Sands pastebin doesn't like quotes 15:26:25 giraffles so that we know b is open, as it were. 15:26:30 Sands and I am too lazy to fix it and shit 15:26:32 Solomon Then take a screenshot. 15:26:37 Sands but it's a long post 15:26:42 Solomon Wowsers. 15:26:48 Solomon Then summarise it. 15:26:48 Sands and that would take effort fodde 15:26:54 Sands well I just did 15:27:00 Sands we went on #.info to talk about tuppers 15:27:08 Sands here we said multiple times to be on-topic 15:27:14 Sands we didn't go in to troll, but to talk about tuppers 15:27:15 giraffles if it's a max, for example, {pos: 100, min: no, BB: b} 15:27:29 Sands so we did, Sammy's concentration and narration and forcing shit was a topic 15:27:33 giraffles then what we do is remove the object 'b' from O, 15:27:36 Sands which is tulpa-related 15:27:42 giraffles and then look over O to see what's in there 15:27:44 Sands and we talked about it and then Skye was all wow such troll 15:27:48 Sands and kicked and banned 15:28:04 Solomon I figured maybe there was more to know than that in the PM, which is why I asked for the, uh, summary. I wonder if I'm pre-bent. 15:28:05 giraffles for every object still in O, we pair it with 'b' and put the pair in P 15:28:11 giraffles for example 15:28:26 Sands I just showed Rasznir the logs and some off-site info like sammy's pr 15:28:35 Sands of his questions and showing that he's legit 15:28:39 giraffles imagine that 'a' and 'c' were both also in O when we find b's max 15:28:44 giraffles they wouldn't be, by the way 15:28:45 giraffles anyway 15:28:58 giraffles we remove 'b' from O, then look at O 15:28:58 Sands and said that I'm pretty worried when a mod bans people when they talk about tulpas 15:29:03 Avalanche We would have A,C A,B C,B? 15:29:14 giraffles no, actually 15:29:14 Solomon SCARS FROM THE PAST. 15:29:19 Avalanche in P? 15:29:33 giraffles we would then add {b, a} and {b, c} 15:29:35 giraffles to P 15:29:56 giraffles do you see why? 15:30:27 giraffles we pair every object that is left in O with the object that is removed 15:30:31 giraffles so implementation wise 15:31:05 giraffles we'd traverse O and for each object we find, create a {b, [object]} pair and put the pair in P 15:31:14 giraffles that is, if we had just removed b. 15:31:21 giraffles alright? 15:31:42 Avalanche If we found bMin and then bMax, would nothing be in O? 15:31:46 Avalanche afterward? 15:31:53 Avalanche At the very start 15:32:06 giraffles that's right. on the actual table, O would be empty after we removed b max 15:32:17 giraffles but the same isn't true for other dimensions 15:32:34 giraffles take the y dimension for instance 15:32:47 giraffles when we come across c max, what gets added to P? 15:33:06 roflmao I can send you the pm I sent Rasznir about what happened You want it, mayo? <-- sure you can send me the logs, but I got some logs about some convo Averian had with pleeb 15:33:10 Avalanche A,C 15:33:14 roflmao which sounded much like he was just washing his hands of the whole IRC part 15:33:27 giraffles yes 15:33:38 Sands but Maria wasn't even a part of it 15:33:41 giraffles so when you're done traversing L 15:33:43 Sands unless you mean pleeb 15:33:51 giraffles you should have no objects left in O 15:33:51 roflmao I'll link in a few 15:34:10 giraffles and all overlaps on that axis will be paired in P 15:34:36 Sands also you gotta log in .info mayo 15:34:43 giraffles of course something can overlap in one or two but not three dimensions 15:34:56 Sands forwarded the pm to you 15:35:15 giraffles if objects truly intersect, their pair will come up in all three dimensions 15:35:39 roflmao https://privatepaste.com/b6113d6d15 15:35:59 roflmao Sands, to finish this week's guides? will do in a few 15:36:00 giraffles so you should apply this test for all three dimensions and identify which pairs always occur. 15:36:07 Avalanche but looking back over the table 15:36:08 giraffles that's inefficient, actually 15:36:11 giraffles but it doesn't matter 15:36:18 Avalanche how do you get that to work 15:36:19 giraffles there are no collisions 15:36:24 giraffles what do you mean? 15:36:41 giraffles the end coordinates you have to work out, yes 15:36:46 Avalanche Well what does the first column mean? 15:37:07 giraffles the position information for A 15:37:16 giraffles the first row, you want? 15:37:42 Avalanche No, the very first column 15:37:48 giraffles oh right 15:38:06 giraffles stupid symbols supposed to tell us what the rows mean 15:38:37 Avalanche yeah but?? 15:38:48 Avalanche Like where do you get the min and max from then? 15:39:03 Sands no, I sent you the pm 15:39:05 giraffles well I've told you what I think the rows mean 15:39:06 Sands the one I sent to Rasznir 15:39:12 Sands it's on .info, so you gotta check it 15:39:13 giraffles the first row is the x min 15:39:21 giraffles the second is the x extent 15:39:22 Sands oh yeah 15:39:28 Sands I think that should be brought up 15:39:29 giraffles adding the extent to the min will give you the max 15:39:47 giraffles and so on for the other two dimensions. 15:39:52 Avalanche So Amin is 100, Amax is 125? 15:40:13 giraffles yes, I'm pretty sure. 15:40:19 giraffles well 15:40:30 Avalanche and then I have to do the whole thing twice more? 15:40:30 giraffles a's x min 15:41:00 giraffles yes 15:41:15 giraffles precisely how you want to test all three dimensions is up to you really 15:41:48 Avalanche Right, ok I think I have it now 15:41:57 Avalanche It's total bullshit but whatever 15:42:31 giraffles it's bullshit with three objects because you can inspect them by eye 15:42:42 giraffles but it's pretty useful in real collision detection 15:43:07 <-- roflmao (roflm@o) has quit 15:44:06 giraffles damn it sands when I said we're not complaining you're not supposed to follow it with complaining 15:44:43 Sands well chupi posted the logs of stuff I hadn't seen before 15:44:57 Sands I think it's a good idea to mention that a person just got banned for nothing 15:46:07 Sands also mena must be retarded 15:46:54 giraffles huh why wait I haven't read those logs 15:47:09 Sands ><@Mena_> skye is nice 15:49:15 giraffles where's that from? 15:49:20 Sands mayo's log 15:49:24 Sands https://privatepaste.com/b6113d6d15 15:49:28 Sands also pleeb is fucking insane 15:49:37 Sands I guess I'll bring that up with Rasznir as well 15:49:53 Sands that his decision doesn't really sound sane because the entire man doesn't seem to be sane anymore 15:50:56 giraffles yeah he's all kinds of crazy now 15:51:02 giraffles I don't even know 15:51:13 giraffles tuppers fucking with his head 15:52:05 giraffles oh that reminds me how did skye get logs of #tuppers? 15:52:11 giraffles kiah? ea? 15:53:42 Sands I think he has a logger here 15:53:45 Sands plenty of idlers 15:54:19 giraffles don't see any on the nick list 15:54:36 Sands networks is a good canditate 15:54:48 giraffles he was around long before skye though 15:54:49 Sands it's not a bot but it definitely smells like a logger 15:54:54 Sands started whining when he got bent 15:55:05 giraffles I remember talking to him, yeah 15:55:06 Sands then there's also that mysamdog that is also in another channel I'm in now 15:55:12 --> roflmao (roflm@o) has joined #tuppers 15:55:16 giraffles he's a logger but he's been around a long time 15:55:23 giraffles mysamdog, maybe 15:55:29 Sands did you read the pm mayo 15:57:06 Avalanche <@Averian> they are the thalmor of tulpa community 15:57:08 roflmao will do in a few, I had to reboot 15:57:09 Avalanche lol 15:57:14 roflmao did I miss anything? 15:57:49 giraffles we were discussing how skye got logs 15:58:00 roflmao logs of? 15:58:08 Avalanche us 15:58:19 roflmao talking about? 15:58:27 giraffles us conspiring I mean agreeing to go into #.info yesterday 15:58:32 roflmao ah 15:58:45 giraffles know who mysamdog is? 15:58:49 roflmao well, you'd have to look into who was in the channel 15:59:18 Sands same people 15:59:22 Sands but did you read the pm mayo jesus 15:59:23 roflmao I know they've been lurking/talking, especially in goopi(?)'s channel ( #whatisthisidonteven ) 15:59:26 Sands it's on .info, sign in 15:59:28 roflmao a second okay 15:59:33 roflmao I just rebooted 15:59:35 roflmao some hardware issue 15:59:36 Sands no excuses 15:59:38 Sands suck my dick 15:59:41 roflmao no 15:59:43 Sands yes 16:00:10 Sands right now I'm waiting for Rasznir to respond 16:00:36 roflmao yea, mysamdog talks in _ot_ot a lot, so probably someone else 16:00:38 roflmao but who knows 16:00:55 roflmao also I see new lurkers: Quenz? (talks in #tulpa afaik) 16:00:56 Sands not that it really matters even 16:01:07 Sands because we're an open channel and all 16:01:07 roflmao besides, why would choosing to go in a channel and talk on topic in said channel be against rules? 16:01:13 Sands exactly 16:01:24 Quenz OH hi. 16:01:33 giraffles um differentname22? he talks though. 16:02:08 roflmao also also someone from niichan's system is here I guess 16:02:13 roflmao plenty of people could have mentioned I guess 16:03:13 Sands sure, but it's not like it even matters 16:03:18 Sands again, open channel 16:03:22 roflmao yes 16:03:25 giraffles wait who is niichan here 16:03:29 roflmao Heartmender 16:03:30 Sands they could be here themselves and unlike them, we don't back people just because of who they are 16:03:41 giraffles oh right 16:03:47 Sands also back? 16:03:48 Sands ban, jesus 16:03:52 Sands help i cant into english 16:03:57 giraffles well I'm still wondering 16:04:23 giraffles could be him I guess. I still suspect zero or kiah as well. 16:04:48 Sands well if they give them stuff then they give them stuff 16:04:52 Sands could have asked us too 16:05:07 Sands as we have zero to hide 16:05:09 roflmao hmm * SkyeWint sets mode: -bbb *!*@Rizon-9735C0CF.dsl.digiweb.ie *!*@Rizon-1D2CBCEE.bb.dnainternet.fi *!*@cccp.su 16:05:14 giraffles right. I would have given it. 16:05:27 giraffles um that log isn't right 16:05:36 giraffles he banned averian too 16:05:40 Sands that's me and woflo 16:05:43 roflmao where's Zero go anyhow 16:05:43 Sands also it's -bbb 16:05:48 giraffles oh right 16:05:54 Sands okay 16:05:54 roflmao first is Ava, second is probably Sands and third is you 16:05:57 Sands so that's ava too yeah 16:05:59 giraffles zero is gone forever 16:06:03 giraffles he's a mod now 16:06:06 roflmao so? 16:06:09 Sands but what about maria 16:06:10 giraffles chattin on the new server 16:06:16 Sands did he get unbent earlier or? 16:06:19 roflmao I have no idea where Averian got banned or why 16:06:26 Sands right when the rest did 16:06:26 giraffles check the ban list or something 16:06:31 Sands look for the +bbbb 16:06:37 Avalanche Are we unbant? 16:06:41 Sands and the thing is, maria didn't do anything 16:06:47 Sands according to mayo's log, looks like it 16:06:51 Sands unless someone bent us again 16:06:52 Avalanche Averian just asked what happened? 16:06:56 Sands yep 16:06:57 Avalanche That's bannable now? 16:06:59 Sands yep 16:06:59 Avalanche ??? 16:07:08 Sands also did you see the pleeb crazy log 16:07:12 roflmao guess you can ask him when he's online 16:07:16 Sands https://privatepaste.com/b6113d6d15 16:07:17 Avalanche Earlier? Yes 16:07:26 Avalanche He just doesn't give a fuck about IRC 16:07:29 Avalanche It's a wankstain 16:07:36 Sands he doesn't give a shit about anything anymore 16:07:37 Avalanche But he's being a dick about it 16:07:42 Sands it's a disgrace that he still decides on things 16:07:43 Avalanche Does he even tupp? 16:07:51 Avalanche Which is why, Sands 16:07:55 Sands >[20:28:02] <+Pleeb> Because like... SkyeWint can play piano. 16:07:57 Sands >[20:28:08] <+Pleeb> And he'll play the piono for everyone. 16:08:01 Sands like jesus what 16:08:03 Avalanche I wonder why you still go to .info 16:08:13 Sands because pleeb actually doesn't do shit there 16:08:15 Avalanche Just go to tulpanetwork. Stay there. Stay in tuppers. 16:08:16 Sands keke 16:08:19 Sands I do 16:08:22 Avalanche Exactly 16:08:26 Sands but now I'm feeling for Rasznir 16:08:27 Avalanche Stay in your own land 16:08:31 Sands because he's the only fucker who tries 16:08:37 Sands he wants this to work 16:08:37 giraffles you know niichan offered to make me a tulpanetwork mod channel 16:08:38 Avalanche Don't go to that 3rd world AIDS infested shithole 16:08:46 giraffles I politely declined 16:08:48 Sands pfft 16:08:53 Avalanche Bitch 16:08:55 Avalanche we have tuppers 16:09:02 Avalanche what more could you concievably want 16:09:04 Sands tulpanet doesn't have an irc channel 16:09:12 giraffles I mean we could just PM if we wanted a two man circlejerk 16:09:15 Sands and won't until it becomes needed 16:09:23 Avalanche For the exact reason of: #tulpa.info 16:09:32 Avalanche Never make it 16:09:35 Avalanche Just, never 16:09:37 Avalanche Don't. 16:09:47 Avalanche It's not a good no please just don't no don't make it 16:10:02 Sands I think it would be the sort of "go there at your own risk" place if one ever happened 16:10:11 Sands but right now people could learn how to use the chat thread 16:10:24 Sands spam stupid shit there, it's perfectly possible to hold a conversation there 16:10:32 Sands and q&a is for the questions and answers 16:11:14 giraffles and moving discussion away from the site is inadvisable 16:11:18 giraffles if possible 16:11:19 Sands yeah 16:11:23 Sands especially when it's a small one 16:11:35 Sands and I doubt we'll ever be huge anyways 16:11:46 Avalanche That's exactly what Pleeb said 16:11:48 Avalanche I was there 16:11:56 Avalanche Tulpanetwork will get big too 16:12:02 Avalanche Gods this is deja vu right here 16:12:04 Sands pfft why 16:12:08 Avalanche I'll tell you what I told Pleeb 16:12:23 Sands tulpa.info didn't have rival sites 16:12:31 Sands of course it gets huge 16:12:34 Avalanche Tulpanetwork will become big over time. It just will. Don't make an official tulpanet IRC because that will grow too and it'll be horrible 16:12:40 Sands as soon as it becomes mainstream 16:12:43 Avalanche Then we have one rival site. 16:12:48 Avalanche Which means almost as little 16:12:56 Sands there's also reddit 16:13:00 Avalanche Tulpa.info was a tiny site with almost no audience 16:13:00 Sands and some ponyfag thing 16:13:07 Avalanche It still grew to 5000 members 16:13:17 Avalanche I joined two weeks after its inception 16:13:21 Avalanche when it had like 50 16:13:31 Solomon I joined before you, Sammy. 16:13:31 giraffles yes 16:13:32 giraffles soon 16:13:34 Sands I have a screenshot of the 420th member keke 16:13:35 Solomon I feel the need to remind you. 16:13:38 Avalanche I know Solomon 16:13:51 Avalanche That's why I said I joined 2 weeks after its inception 16:13:57 Avalanche This doesn't imply I was the first to join Tl;dr: Read the logs and make your own mind up. Please consider supporting Tulpa.info. 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reguile January 6, 2014 Share January 6, 2014 I'm going to go and interject here. I honestly think that this whole thing was "trolling" (pranking would be the better world i'd say), and while the trolling itself did not deserve a ban and honestly was kind of funny/not too bad at all, the arguments with the mods about being on topic did deserve at least a kick warning before ban. When an IRC mod tells you to stop being "funny" you do it or you get the hammer. Similar to how you don't give i-phones to toddlers and expect to keep a working i-phone. However, I don't think this single event is severe or bad enough to result in any removal of power. However, this whole starting drama/complaining is up to others to make opinions on. Honestly, it shouldn't be this big of a deal. End interjection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sands January 6, 2014 Share January 6, 2014 Because I've been asked if Zero's post is flaming and such, I'll write my post defending his words here. First off, this thread was just split. Before, it was in the GAT complaints thread, where it didn't belong. What happens on the IRC doesn't affect how the GAT works on the forum, he said that it was wrong earlier and he was right. This doesn't belong in the GAT complaints thread and it's right it was split. However, what he is missing is that it was Chupi who brought the logs up to the thread and I'm not sure if he just assumes that we will do nothing when that happens. As we didn't see what was even wrong with what Chupi posted, we asked him to tell what exactly it was, which he did after Skye, a person who was a big part of this, washed his hands off the thing on the forums, like it should be. We did not start any "anti-mod anti-.info" talk here, it was Chupi who showed something that only shows the corruptness of their own IRC team. I reported the entire thing to Rasznir in a PM with logs and links, and that was as far as I was going to take it on the forums. Private, fast, clean. Tell the man who might be able to do something about the problem. We did get unbanned. I'm not sure how, but somehow I doubt it was because Skye decided to do it on his own. He also said how he won't comment on this anymore, so this just seems like the usual "I know I am wrong but won't admit it" kind of deal. And everything honestly would just be fine if Skye said he did the wrong thing. Because he did. No loopholes were used or being found. I still haven't been shown what exactly is trolling or shitposting. The giraffe nicks? We use those on #tuppers on our own as well, when we feel like it. When one changes it, the rest do as well. We like giraffes and I think we should be able to express our interests in our nicks. Look at waffles when he's caonimaffles, no one has ever complained about that even though his name is made of caonima+waffles. What we posted was on-topic, about tulpas and the problems a host had. #.info is a very quiet channel after it was murdered, a conversation started by someone is a spark that can easily bring it back to life. We rarely hear what the people of #.info have to say because we don't hang around with the people. This is our only way to do so, go on the channel and talk. We're going to have to force a conversation to start, but after that, it might very well continue without us when the dead channel is revived. I think that's one of the reasons. Not only is Skye extremely biased against us after we declined (I mean blatantly refused as he put it) to join the new server, he's going to mute Rizon's #.info because it's dead. If it suddenly became not dead, it's not dead; muting couldn't be done without him looking like he's crazy. There was no way we could stop being "funny", when a mod told us to talk of legitimate problems when we, in fact, were talking about legitimate problems. What can you do in a situation like that when the mods don't believe you at all? I also don't know who exactly is getting harassed by giraffe nicks, but I suspect it's Chupi and in that case I tell you to grow a thicker skin. Giraffes are harmless animals. Very nice too, maybe you can join our herd? I think the caonima should be more offensive to those in power. You know, caonimaffles against chuxie and skyexie. The THE SUBCONCIOUS ochinchin occultists frt.sys (except Roswell because he doesn't want to be a part of it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yori January 7, 2014 Share January 7, 2014 oh my god you fuckers are still at this stop being a butthurt anti-mod circlejerk, this is exactly why i wanted there to be more than 10 members in the GAT, so this bullshit would be called out on. GAT isn't the place for discussing your anti or pro-mod shit but you should at least keep giraffe discussions out of this goddamn thread unless it relates to how you're behaving as a GAT. this goes for Chupi, Sands, and whoever the fuck else is discussing goddamn giraffe nicks. yes, you should behave professionally, but nobody is on the rizon tulpa channels anymore anyway, so it's not a big deal. and for the other side, you should stop going along with that muh irc mischief shit because it's literally toddler mentality. you'll look like an 8 year old with a proper vocabulary if you do that shit. pull your heads out of your asses and start focusing on actual problems rather than creating problems and then going "whaaat i didn't do nothing!!!" like a 5 year old who thinks nobody's seeing that he's playing dumb. Zerer, to make things worse, I have arrived. ^^ My lip hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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