Malevolent Tulpas?

[Dreac]

I've heard a lot of stories of malevolent tulpas, and I just want to know how often this happens. The tulpas usually turn evil after their imposition becomes perfect. Also, what could ever cause a tulpa that was once good, to become evil and want to cause harm to the host and others?

[Masani]

I'm no expert, but I've read a couple of threads over the years.

It's really hard to make a tulpa that becomes "evil" so to say. The main way would be to specifically make a tulpa that hates you and everything you do, and that's still not easy.

The other would be to abuse and mistreat them for a long time.

I'm guessing most of the stories you've heard are intended as creepypasta. Almost all tulpae are friendly to their hosts.

[sushi]

I've heard a lot of stories of malevolent tulpas, and I just want to know how often this happens. The tulpas usually turn evil after their imposition becomes perfect.

 

I've heard three stories like that. One is the story of Alexandra David-Neel. She created a tulpa modeled after a fat, jolly, Friar Tuck sort of monk, and the tulpa deviated and began to look slimmer and more sinister. The most harmful thing he ever did to her (apart from looking sinister) is appear when she didn't call it up, and brush his robes against her.

 

The second story is G.H. Estabrooks (the link gets his middle initial wrong). He imposed a polar bear tulpa with hypnosis while in a military hospital. The bear began to appear when he didn't call it up, which could be frightening when he was walking alone in the dark.

 

The third story is the tulpa creepypasta, which is fiction.

 

For the most part, tulpas do not want to hurt their hosts. They live in the same body, so if something goes wrong with the body, it goes wrong with them too. If the host is so scared that he does something to threaten his life or that he looks insane, the tulpa risks being locked up or killed too. So tulpas generally don't do that stuff.

 

In the two true stories I cited above, the tulpas really didn't do anything "evil". They just looked a little scary and showed up unexpected. Tulpas will show up unexpected -- that's part of independence. As for looking scary, if you're scared of your tulpa, they're going to deviate to match your image of them. Basically you project your fear of them onto their form.

 

I don't think anyone in this community has ever been scared of their tulpa, and so none of us have had tulpas turn against us.

[Dreac]

 

I've heard three stories like that. One is the story of Alexandra David-Neel. She created a tulpa modeled after a fat, jolly, Friar Tuck sort of monk, and the tulpa deviated and began to look slimmer and more sinister. The most harmful thing he ever did to her (apart from looking sinister) is appear when she didn't call it up, and brush his robes against her.

 

The second story is G.H. Estabrooks (the link gets his middle initial wrong). He imposed a polar bear tulpa with hypnosis while in a military hospital. The bear began to appear when he didn't call it up, which could be frightening when he was walking alone in the dark.

 

The third story is the tulpa creepypasta, which is fiction.

 

For the most part, tulpas do not want to hurt their hosts. They live in the same body, so if something goes wrong with the body, it goes wrong with them too. If the host is so scared that he does something to threaten his life or that he looks insane, the tulpa risks being locked up or killed too. So tulpas generally don't do that stuff.

 

In the two true stories I cited above, the tulpas really didn't do anything "evil". They just looked a little scary and showed up unexpected. Tulpas will show up unexpected -- that's part of independence. As for looking scary, if you're scared of your tulpa, they're going to deviate to match your image of them. Basically you project your fear of them onto their form.

 

I don't think anyone in this community has ever been scared of their tulpa, and so none of us have had tulpas turn against us.

 

I'm a bit more concerned about tulpas forcefully possessing you. I've heard a few tales about that too.

[Luminesce]

Would your tulpa want to do that? Does your tulpa not respect you? Do you even care?

 

This stuff is all made up in your own mind. If your tulpa does something "you didn't intend for them to do", it's because somewhere in your mind you wanted them to. Tulpas don't "turn evil" unless you want them to (and even then a well developed tulpa isn't so easily manipulated). All of these stories, besides the 90% that are fake, are of people with little to no real control over their mind that need to get a grip on their own reality. Nothing happens in your mind unless some part of you wants it to, unless you've got a mental disorder or some such. In which case, exercise caution based on the intensity of the disorder, but don't give your power to it. For example, most forms of depression can be overcome by changing how you think about things. I went from straight F's in high school hating my life, to straight A's in college loving it. In fact, Reisen herself helped me stay positive when I myself saw no reason to. But I wasn't suffering from anything more than depression, so again, be cautious if you have something more serious.

 

Otherwise, don't worry about it. These things aren't worth giving any credence to and are a bit insulting to your tulpas.

 

 

 

Sorry, I get a bit annoyed when people fall victim to their own minds. Didn't mean to be rude.

 

[Guest amber5885]

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[Quilten]

I won't rehash what everyone else has already said but, no. I guess there are some very sepcific circumstances, but basically, tulpas are not (and mostly can't be) malevolent towards their hosts.

[hbenton]

I've heard a lot of stories of malevolent tulpas, and I just want to know how often this happens. The tulpas usually turn evil after their imposition becomes perfect. Also, what could ever cause a tulpa that was once good, to become evil and want to cause harm to the host and others?

 

People in "real" life are rarely evil for the sake of evil. Such a person is rather two-dimensional, and as such is rarely found outside of fiction. The same is true of tulpas. A properly developed tulpa is just as complex as a flesh-and-bone human. Any issues a tulpa has with its host can be resolved through communication just like any issues between two humans. A tulpa is not malevolent just for the hell of it. There's always a reason. When was the last time you decided to ruin somebody's life for little or no reason? Better yet, how about a close friend or relative? If your tulpa's being mean, talk to it.

 

A tulpa is about as likely to turn on its host as a human is to turn on a close friend or family member. That is, rarely without some sort of provocation. A kind tulpa might turn mean if all it knows is cruelty at the hands of its host, but that's the host's fault. I cannot personally recall this ever happening, at least on these forums.

 

Whether or not a tulpa turns evil has nothing to do with it being imposed or not. There is nothing about the imposition process that would cause a tulpa to experience a paradigm shift. If it was going to be an evil tulpa, its evilness would exist independently of whether or not it has achieved imposition.

 

 

I'm a bit more concerned about tulpas forcefully possessing you. I've heard a few tales about that too.

 

To what end? A tulpa's existence is inextricably linked to the host. To act against the host's well-being is to act against the tulpa's own best interests. A sufficiently developed tulpa could, in theory, forcibly possess its host, but the reasons for doing so are few and far between, and would never be to bring deliberate harm to the host. If you're worried about your tulpa(s) possessing you without permission, either establish some ground rules prohibiting that from happening, or simply don't practice possession. Or both. I wouldn't worry too much about it if I were you.

 

Don't forget about the power of suggestion and self-fulfilling prophecies. If you worry too much about your tulpa turning bad, it's a lot more likely to happen than if you were to relax and not worry.

 

Even if a tulpa has gone haywire and is completely beyond reason, it is always within the host's abilities to either destroy or seal an errant tulpa away in stasis. Such measures should only be taken in the most dire of situations, but they are always an option. However, I discourage you from making a tulpa if you are planning to kill it before you've even started. Some people (myself included) view the dissolution of a tulpa, especially a sapient one, as tantamount to murder, and should only be done when all other options have been exhausted.

 

One last thing: if you are considering it, I would advise against implementing any sort of "kill switch". First off, it's unnecessary (a tulpa's destruction is always within the host's abilities, even absent a kill switch), and secondly (and more importantly) it starts off your relationship on the wrong foot. Consider the following hypothetical situation:

 

Host: Welcome, tulpa, to my humble wonderland. Make yourself at home! Just, whatever you do, don't touch that collar around your neck or you'll explode into like a million pieces. It's there because I don't trust you to not turn evil and kill me and rather than try and iron out our interpersonal kinks like a pair of normal, rational, and intelligent beings, I would rather take drastic measures and just completely destroy you at the first sign of trouble.

 

Want to be friends? Oh wait, you don't have a choice because the instant you do something I don't like I might unmake you.

 

Okay, I'm paraphrasing. But you get the gist of it. If you were a tulpa, would you like to have an explosive device (or however the kill switch is symbolically implemented) permanently affixed to your body? I bet that would really warm you up towards your host, wouldn't it?

[GlassElevator]

 

I'm a bit more concerned about tulpas forcefully possessing you. I've heard a few tales about that too.

 

Personally I will say that after I started doing possession with my tulpa with my hands, I will have some 'twitches' in my hands that are pretty apparent and are actually from my tulpa. I told her that since she can't really do the whole "head pressure" thing very well, she can just start twitching my hands to get my attention. I have given consent for her to do this, so it wouldn't really be considered a malevolent thing.(still interesting though)

[Cinemaphobe]

*Eats popcorn and reads replies*

 

Reisen and hbenton are right. They couldn't have expressed their point any better, and the truth behind their words are definitely the conclusion of this thread. It sickens me to know that killswitches for tulpae even exist, and it angers me even more when people assume that tulpae are dangerous for whatever reason. Surprisingly though, while I was reading hbenton's post, my tulpa gave herself a black collar and started dancing around in mockery of killswitches. Don't judge her lol.