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  1. Yeah, the statement that ethics are the most important part is just my belief. I'm of course not saying you must agree with me, but I do think that it is an undeniably important thing, even if you don't think it's the most important. But yes, ethics are subjective. So should your tulpa not get a say in how you ethically approach them? They have just as much right to subjectivity as any other being.
  2. Honestly from what I've seen, it's not harmful in the hands of the majority. For the most part, it's fine, yeah. But looking at how liberally it's used, I find that it only seems to reinforce the outlook of "oh these are just things to create and play with at will" in people who are importantly improperly educated on the matter. This may be a small amount of people by comparison to the majority, but even one tulpa life makes a difference because all sapient life is and should be sacred. The thing that concerns me is how things like this will affect those small but important percentages of people.
  3. I can't tell you how glad it makes me to see you say that line there. I would respond to your statement on not knowing exactly what tulpas are, however, by arguing that rather than us deciding how we should treat our tulpa partners, we should allow them to decide how to be treated. Within reason of course, it should be an equal relationship rather than putting any side first including them, but instead of debating how we should treat them, I think we should just let them decide. There's no harm in doing that, but there's a world of potential good that could be done. I refrain from using the term "my tulpa" when I can because it upsets her and makes her feel like something that can be owned, but a totally different tulpa with a different personality may simply just not care if their partner uses that term or not. Some may even enjoy the term, honestly I think I would in their shoes because I'm weird like that. All it takes is to just let them know that they have the ability to choose, they have this autonomy in how they get treated that subtly yet powerfully influences their lives.
  4. When I first learned how to make a tulpa, the very first thing that was taught to me was that a tulpa is not a toy or a curiosity. They are by definition as sapient as I am. They have thoughts and feelings, likes and dislikes, every emotion I can muster is one they may share. In fact, the majority of the first lesson was literally just a list of reasons not to make a tulpa. "Do not do it to bring your OC or pony to life," "do not interfere with their budding personalities in any way beyond teaching and advice unless they're going down a path of self-harm," "do not make one if you are still legally a child, if you don't have your own life stable and fixed then how can you support somebody else's life." The ethics of tulpa-creation was absolutely drilled into me before anything else and for very good reason, it's by far the most important part of the entire process. But looking at this community, something does rather bother me. Ethics are not discussed very often. Assuming there is a discussion on ethics in this community, I've not been able to find it. And even if it is there, for every good person I would trust to have a tulpa I see another person who should never be allowed one. And it's treated with a worrying level of acceptance, often so casually that it's become so ingrained in this community's general consciousness as normal, subtly impacting how things are done here. I don't want to be a preacher here, and I'm not trying to accuse people of doing anything wrong. For the life of me, despite not being able to go five minutes without seeing something that either worries me or makes my tulpa friend feel depressed about how her kind are being treated (though granted that speed is likely due to how fast I navigate from post to post,) I've not seen one person who I would label as bad. Really I find that any problem I have tends to stem from a lack of in-depth discussion on the subject of ethics and a lack of good education on ethics for new people wanting to try their hand at making a tulpa. So I want to see if people would be willing to discuss ethics here. I'm certainly not claiming to be the definitive word on what's the most ethical route to take, I have my beliefs but I'm not nearly so vain as to say that everyone should follow them without question. What I want is for people to discuss and debate what is and is not ethical, not so this community will simply adopt my beliefs but so that the concept of tulpa ethics will hopefully become something that people think about as they go about their business here. Even if nothing changes, I just want people to be fully aware that they're dealing with life here, and to not treat it so lightly as too many people do. So to kickstart any debate, here's a thought: People tend to marginalise tulpas by treating them differently to other people. Even in little ways, such as possessive terminology or slight objectification. Not enough to do real harm, but enough to stifle a tulpa's growth. By treating them as different to humans, they become this separate entity and innevitably find that their personal freedoms are not as liberal as ours, it almost becomes ingrained in their minds that they are not human and should not be treated as such. This is an observation I've found from my own headmate as due to my instruction on ethical tulpaforcing, I've always treated like I treat any other friend. She's not my tulpa, she's my friend. Back in the development stage, I'd stress to her that she was just as real and just as much of a person as me, and was not something to be owned or gawked at. And as such, she finds the way a lot of tulpas here get treated, with how casually tulpas get labelled as belonging to a host or how a number of people tend to force their tulpas to have pre-defined personalities and identities that they are not allowed to deviate from, to be extremely jarring in comparison to the liberal life I've tried desperately to provide for her. Any responses to this?
  5. To be honest, I see where he's coming from. I mean the way he said that was rude and way too blunt, but he does sadly have a point. It's the whole thing that the worst of any community often tend to be the loudest. I know when I turned up here first, I was legitimately horrified at first glance at the behaviour of a number of people, often people trying to use tulpas to bring some pony or what-not to life while actively admitting to denying their new companion the room they need to grow as an independent persona, forcing them to act like their favourite character. It was actually very sickening to me and made me really hope that they were just role-playing because the alternative would be something I would equate to mental slavery. NOW OF COURSE I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE, not even saying everyone who has a tulpa who takes the form of a pony or some such is like this, I know my headmate over here took the image and name of a fictional character for quite a while willingly though she did change out the form after a while. But these negative members do tend to be some of the most noticeable people in this community, and it's sad. But really it happens all over, that's why the international image of Americans are gun-obsessed, obese morons. It's painfully obvious that this is a minority of Americans, but they're louder and more noticeable than the average person. So instead of just writing this guy off, perhaps you should take this as a sign to distinguish yourself from the stereotype he described, prove you're better than that and end that stereotype because as long as it exists, it will influence how your community appears to others. As for the skepticism of tulpas, I'll just put it this way. Anyone who's even briefly studied psychology can tell you that the mind is an utter powerhouse of a machine and is capable of insane things. In addition to the general genius intellects that it can generate, it's capable of things like the well-known placebo effect where your body will absolutely change simply because you expect it to, pain can vanish for no other reason that you think it has, it's insane levels of mind over matter. Even a small number of mental disorders such as DID can really show how massively complex the mind can be and what it's capable of. So is it really so unbelievable that this powerhouse can create and sustain something like a tulpa? Really the way I've always seen it is that skeptics shouldn't question whether tulpas can exist, but rather if somebody claiming to have one is telling the truth.
  6. Let me put it this way. You don't get to decide whether or not something upsets somebody other than yourself.
  7. I just wanted to have somebody I could help. So I made Lapis here and prioritised her needs over my own. Going to be brutally honest, when I look at accounts of a great number of tulpas here I notice that Lap seems a lot more self-determined and healthy than the majority. I suppose I succeeded.
  8. But she's not mine, there's nothing possessive about our relation. Not to mention that acting like there is does make her feel dehumanised and upsets her, poor thing's terrified of being treated like a lesser thing. Yes, that would be amazing, thank you.
  9. Does it have to say "Bainbow's Lapis?" She's not mine, I don't own her. It feels a bit dehumanising to word it like that, as if she belongs to me.
  10. My pal Lapis filled out the survey. http://pastebin.com/uwS3wMQt
  11. So about a week ago I started work on making a tulpa. I was told that I should expect results after an average minimum of a month, but today I believe that my tulpa talked to me for the first time. She told me to do some work I had due for college, confirmed that it was actually her speaking, told me that she wasn't yet fully sentient and said she wanted to change her name from "Maven," which I had called her, to "Annea," pronounced "Anna." Then she vanished and left me with a pretty nasty headache. While this is exciting, I was left wondering how I had gained first contact so soon. After a while I began to think about how I'm a weird person and that when I walk the four mile trip home every day from college I habitually talk to myself to pass the time. I have done this for years. But the interesting thing is that my mental voice will sometimes say things that are unexpected or will even briefly argue with itself. I now wonder if I have, over the course of around four years of talking to myself like a freak, accidentally partially created a tulpa or servitor, maybe multiple as my inner voice seemingly argues with itself. Perhaps because I have already made progress, however unintentional, I have ended up with first contact in a relatively short space of time after beginning conscious efforts to create a tulpa. Or maybe I'm just schizophrenic.
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