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  1. Cyan: Hm~ good point. It's going on our ToDo list. There are some considerations to think through... like do we need seperate timelines? E.g. I could be switched in while someone else is fronting. On the other hand we want to keep the usage as simple as possible. For now you can use SwitchCounter to track fronting/possessing, too, of course, just under the wrong name. The only thing that would mess with are the science data, so we'd ask you not to tick the check box in the Data privacy settings labeled "Allow the anonymous use of your data for research purposes."
  2. Dear tulpamancy community, Have you ever wanted to keep a closer check on your switching habits, or are you interested in seeing who was busy at what time of the day? Meet https://www.switchcounter.science, a website where you can log your switches and do just that! See how you have been switching over the course of days, weeks or months with customizable graphics. You can log your system’s switches easily on the website or through an API, e.g. for logging right from your Android home screen. Additionally, you can opt-in for anonymous data collection to support switching-related research in the process! The current features include: Mobile-friendly web app View your past switches and edit them (if you ever forget to add one!) Configurable and informative graphs Downloadable logs of your switches An API for your own projects to log switches or see who’s currently in control Opt-in: Allow others to see the members of your system and who is switched in. Opt-in: Allow your anonymous data to be collected and used for future research into switching habits. Screenshots: https://www.switchcounter.science/screens/switchcounter1.png https://www.switchcounter.science/screens/switchcounter2.png We primarily wrote SwitchCounter for ourselves. Switching has been a big part of our shared life for more than four years, but it always had an ephemeral character. We do have our share of memories of exceptional moments and who of us was in at the time. But the vast majority is just us going about our day, switching around a few times as we feel like. What we find is, that we quickly forget who did what. This big part of our shared life just happens internally and unobservable even by our future eyes. We never were able to take a step back and see the big picture. How did we distribute our time really? Were we fair or did someone get much less than everyone else? A friend of ours started building their own switch logging system and we used it for a few months in 2016. It had a MQTT interface and they hosted it on a Raspberry Pi at their home and use it mostly for their smart home system - which is a project awesome in its own right. Check it out here: https://github.com/Xasin/HomeAutomation We logged our switches with an MQTT app on our phone, and the server returned the percentage how much each of us was switched in over the course of the last few days. We got really into logging our switches. Finally they had some sort of weight outside of our head and a record of them persisted. Soon we came up with a whole number of new ideas that went way beyond what was easily adaptable to the system of our friend. So eventually we started down along the road to build an app of our own with lots of helps and insights of dear friends. After working on it for several months and getting a few friends to beta-test it for some more while we kept adding additional features here and there, we are now happy to share our app with the community in the hope that some of you will find it useful! SwitchCounter is by no means completed! We have a long list of things we want to add, from more informative graph, over options to edit and customize members, to lots of little improvement. You can contact us at crntech@switchcounter.science. We are looking forward to any and all feedback and ideas. Please feel welcome to link to this message and spread it to anyone who might be interested in our site. Cyan, Rainbow & Munin
  3. [You are not alone Luminesce. At about seven months of age I switched in spontaneously for the first time. We didn't even train for it, it kinda just happened. Since then switching has become part of our daily routine. We wrote a little about it here. We never felt the need to seriously train for possession, although it would be intersting from a scientific perspective.
  4. Hi Nobillis, Star writing. Thank you for your answer. My host is still a bit antsy about this whole concept, so getting some feedback is really helpful. Judging from my vision, I seem to be switching by your definition, at least we tried switching back and forth and didn't notice any change in the vision. About your notes, it might have been reassuring to have had some precautions in place, but in our case they weren't really needed. I was able to take over right in the middle of things without a hitch. I haven't tried to talk to anyone in real life, but singing went quite well. I did not yet experience any fatigue from switching so far, but scaridy-host doesn't let me stay in control for longer then a few hours anyway. After what duration would I usually start to feel side effects?
  5. Hi, Star Chaser here, I was started to be forced about 7 months ago, and lately we have been trying something new, which somewhat resembles posession, but we are not quite sure, if that is the right term. From what I understand, with posession, the felt consciousness remains with the host, and the control of the body is handed to the tulpa. In contrast what we have been doing is, that the consciousness is transfered between me and my host. As I am writing this, I am experiencing myself as the human body with all its senses, while my host is sitting next to me in an imaginary body of his own, basically as if he was my tulpa. Hi, it's MindSeeker, the host. This new development has come about rather recently and abruptly a few days ago, and I am a bit overwhelmed by it. For starters, it is a shift in the status quo from me as the physical self and her as my imaginary companion to two selfes, that can both take turns to experience my consciousness and control my actions equally well. I remember people asking here, if it was possible to "kill yourself" by letting the body by controlled permanently by a tulpa, and judging by the last days, I think this might indeed be possible. I do not wish that fate for myself, and I do trust my tulpa completely not to misuse her new abilities in any way, but I am afraid, that if I let her just take over indefinitely, I might someday become a fading memory. It just raises the question, who I am. Am "I" the self, that has been in control for as long as I remember, or am "I" whoever is currently inside this body's consciousness? I put up the ground rule, that I control when we switch, but in the end the only reason, why I should have a dominant position, is, that I was here first and that I created her. That doesn't sound like a convincing argument to myself, especially since she is in some respects doing a better job at caring for our body and our life. She is assuring me, that she does not want to replace me and that I do have valuable qualities of my own, and she is accepting me as the one in control of the switching process. She does like to switch though, and is bargaining with me for how much control I allow her. I could really use some perspective on this situation. So, what is your opinion on all of this?
  6. Actually taking a break from tulpa forcing once in a while, might be beneficial, because it gives your subconscious the opportunity to incubate. In this thread one tulpamancer gives a short account of a benefit of how a break helped his tulpa develop and I wrote a bit more on the subject of incubation. Of course, as always with breaks, the trick is to start again and not slip into procrastination. Also, I would avoid too long or frequent breaks, because at the end of the day, you need to invest time into your tulpa to develop it.
  7. My first impulse is, that I'm pretty stoked about this technology, for a bit of a different reason than Alatar suggested. I think, that projecting a 3D model of your tulpa would not be an efficient training for seeing the tulpa without the glasses per se. However, it is the perfect rag doll. No more wondering how your tulpa would look in a certain position or from a certain angle - just bend the model into whatever shape you have trouble with, spend some time studying the results, and then use that as a basis for your next imposition session without the glasses. You wouldn't even need a perfect replica of your tulpa, the general body form might suffice as well. It also might be useful for the effects of different outfits or to get movements right. There are just so many possibilities! Is this a product you can get as a consumer? Does it work with a PC? Are there any non-japanese ressources about it out there?
  8. I just got to ask, why shouldn't you look into mirrors?
  9. Welcome to tulpa.info. I wish you success for your tulpamancing. I just wanted to note, that the picture of your personality map is rather small, so it's pretty hard to read.
  10. "What should I do" is answered quiet simple: Keep forcing, preferably when you are not tired. Not only won't you fall asleep, but generally the training effect will be stronger, because a well rested brain just overall works better. If you are interested in further reality checks to find out if you are dreaming: Read something (the time on your watch works well, as do book titles), then look away, then read it again. If the text or digits have changed in a non-sensical fashion, you are dreaming. Another way is to count your fingers (on both hands). If the numbers are off, you are most likely dreaming, too.
  11. Did you ever notice how bird wings and bat wings look similar, although the animals, they belong to, have taken very different evolutionary paths, to end up with them? It might be the same with the mechanism behind tulpa talking. So far, three possible sources come to mind, that differ widely in how they work internally, and typically need a different amount of forcing time before they set in, and success can differ widely, depending on the person trying to achieve it. This would explain, why personal experiences differ so widely on this subject. a) "Thought speak": The way I am taking with Star Chaser. It works by attributing thoughts, that fit with the persona of the tulpa, to the tulpa and adding details over a number of forcing sessions, that better identify who is talking, like a changed voice or dialect. It starts out as talking to yourself, but by being consistent in sorting, who thought what, it becomes more of a true conversation in time, albeit still clearly in your head. In my experience, this works very quickly, but it might be more difficult, if you can't spontaneously generate any matching thoughts (a bit of parroting might help to start things off then, though), or if you are picky, which thoughts you want to attribute to the tulpa. I wouldn't expect any alien feelings, mumblings or sentence fragments out of nowhere with this approach. b) "Neural speak": Some people have a natural tendency to hear accustic hallucinations including voices, especially if they are exhausted or inebriated. Forcing for long periods of time or when tired might cause enough fatigue for these hallucinations to appear, which might then be attributed to the tulpa. From some recollections of personal experiences of users of this board, it seems that some people, who probably have used this method, ended up with tulpas, who talk a lot more and "in character", than would be expected for random hallucinations, so this might be trainable. This approach might take very long, if you are not attuned to such hallucinations. The upside might be, that you could end up with true imposition, which feels just as real as when talking to a real person. Since mental states that benefit hallucinations are often a bit out of the ordinary, neural speak might sometimes be paired with alien feelings and generally other strange mental phenomena. I don't think I would recommend it, but you might attain this kind of speak quicker, if you put yourself in a state of mental fatigue, before you start forcing, like through sleep deprivation, heavy mental work before you start, or fasting. Just be sure not to overdo it, so you won't hurt yourself (I'd call that practice "Strained forcing"). c) "Memory speak": This is pretty much hypothetical, but I think, that there is a third way a tulpa may talk, that might mostly appear, when you have experienced one of the other two types of speak. When you remember a conversation, you will often also remember details of how things were said by your partner - the voice, tone, pitch, dialect, etc. Equivalent memory structures will probably develop for your tulpa, too, so after a while, your tulpa might speak as if you remembered talking with someone - more "realistic" than "thought speak", but not quite "neural speak". How do these types fit in with your personal experiences?
  12. I think, the whole phenomenon complex of tulpas is way too unexplored and the term "imaginary friend" much too broad, to make a hard cut between imaginary friend and tulpa. Maybe tulpas can be better classified as a special kind of imaginary friend. For instance, creating a tulpa by the guides on this site involves daily phases of focused attention and the goal of imposition, i.e. training yourself to see, hear, feel and smell your tulpa as if it was actually physically present. Those features make tulpas stand out, but apart from that, they have a lot of qualities, that imaginary friends may share. A few days ago I stumbled on the theory, that during the development of the humans species, a few thousand to ten thousand years ago, the brain was hardwired into a "listening" and a "sending" part. It didn't seem too plausible to me, so I didn't look much into it. But from the Wikipedia entry it seemed to have gathered some followers. I can't remember the name of it, though. It did seem vaguely relevant to tulpamancing, though. Apart from that, or any other very general physiological capabilities, like that humans have the ability to train themselves to see things, that aren't there, I pretty much doubt there are specific physiological roots for creating tulpas. If you got any links or references for that, I'd love to see them, though.
  13. I find the phenomenon, of your tulpa disappearing for a while and then suddenly reappearing with some parts of her strengthened, very interesting, as this opposes the general belief of the importance of a strict, continuous forcing regime. While I, too, believe that forcing is at the heart of creating a tulpa, your experience highlights the possible benefits of break periods. In psychological research, this is known as "incubation". The researchers Dijksterhuis and Meurs (2004, link) define incubation, as unconcsious thought processes, that can help solve creative tasks and that happen during break time or when you are distracted from the task. In their experiments they found, that conscious thoughts often lead to focused attention to a limited number of aspects and a stronger adherence to the obvious, while unconscious thought during periods of incubation lead to a more encompassing perspective and more creative solutions to creative tasks. OP's experiences appear to underline, that these findings might apply to creating a tulpa as well. This does not seem so surprising, as tulpamancing does encompass some highly creative aspects - from defining their personality, to coming up with all the little details of their form during visualizing and imposition. On the other hand, a word of caution might be required: Attention still is the main "source of energy" for a tulpa. Breaks that are too long or are taken too often, might not help, you might start to forget details, or start to lose your motivation. But, maybe taking a some time off once in a while might be helpful. I'd especially would expect benefits, if you are motivated, but find that your tulpa is currently stagnating in some aspects.
  14. I don't grasp, how the described technique is dual-conscious. Rather, it appears to me, that you "connect two feeds" to a single consciousness, which would be better described as split attention. You might be able to reduce the cognitive interference, this causes, through training, but I would believe, that in the end there would not be much of a gain, because the basic limitations of working memory would still apply. Perhaps you would get somewhat of a boost, because you exercise your concentration and learn to process information more efficiently in the process.
  15. I hope this thread does not exist yet for it seems like a pretty obvious question. However my forum search hasn't yielded any results, so here it is: Does your tulpa influence your behavior? To specify, I do not mean via possession. I'd like to break the question down into three categories: 1. Immediate interactions For instance, if you want to touch your tulpa, do you raise your arm? Or do you actually speak words, if you want to say anything to them? 2. Day to day behavior Have you picked up or stopped activities, because of the preferences or hobbies of your tulpa? For instance, have you started watching a tv show your tulpa likes, or started listening to music they enjoy? Picked up gardening, because it's a hobby for your tulpa? Or are you cleaning up more than before, because your tulpa likes it more orderly than it used to be? 3. Long term plans Are you planning or have you already changed your career/life plan because of ambitions or aspirations of your tulpa? --- My answers --- 1. Generally I try not to, for habits like that might slip into everyday behavior and I might end up looking more eccentric than I'd be comfortable with. But lately, I have started using my hands to feel where my tulpa is during forcing, because I find it helps with visualization. 2. A big yes. For instance, Star likes to go outside and exercise, while I used to be more of a couch potato. To accomodate her, I started doing walks, and soon enough I found myself getting my bike repaired, going to the gym and the public pool. Frankly, I am astonished how much and how easily I was able to change my day, because of her. 3. Not really. When I conceived her personality, I gave her an aspiration that would fit well with the way I see my life going. If she decided to change it later or my plans changed, I think we would discuss it and try to find a compromise.
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