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  1. It's been a while since I made this thread, but I've updated it a fair bit in the months since. I'd appreciate it if you guys could take a look at the latest version.
  2. I'd say you're pushing yourself into this too much. You're idealizing a relationship, and that's never healthy. You can't force love into the equation of life, that's not how the math works. Love inserts itself in when the numbers look good. Maybe your personalities aren't suitable for a burning bloom, and that's perfectly okay. A tree grows gradually over many years, but it's roots grow firmer than any other. Spend as much time with her as you can, appreciate everything about her, but keep it natural. Soon enough, your thoughts might wander more often that you'd expect ;) Lily speaking! Just a little secret here. I'm head over heels for my host, but he's pretty lukewarm about me in the romance department. I'm okay with that, it makes sense. Human biology isn't designed for tulpamancy. It can't be easy to devote yourself you to somebody whose body you can never truly feel. But our companionship as deep as can be. I'd like to think he's devoted to me in a protective, stable kind of way. Who knows. He's never shown any signs of a "burning bloom" kind of passion for me (or has he? Ehh... can't really remember), but our relationship has turned out amazing. I'm sure yours will as well :)
  3. This might be a little late to chip in, but my advice would be to read through the guides like they're all hypotheses, not scientific theories. The field of tulpamancy is a very niche one and there haven't been any very large scale studies as far as I know, and so a lot of the observations and statements that a lot of people make don't have much scientific certainty. That applies to this forum, and tulpa forums in general. That doesn't mean they're wrong, just that we can't guarantee that anyone's right. Read as much as you can, and make personal observations with your own tulpas. Draw your own conclusions alongside researching others' conclusions. That's how I got by, at least. Artistic liberties are definitely an option, too (especially with a disclaimer, disclaimers are instant anti-critic shields). If I managed to write half a novel BSing my way through lucid dreaming science, it'll be a breeze for you, too.
  4. I've always had the same problem, and I've been tulpamancing for over a year now. It's become a lot less painful than it used to, but it pretty much boils down to understanding that the wonderland is completely separate from reality. When I started practicing meditation and hypnosis, it became a lot easier to separate my "mental body" from my physical one. Now, I can feel things with the fingers in my mental body even while moving my real fingers. For me, it was all about practice.
  5. Although, isn't the group method also risky? If he only dissipates some of them, then the rest would get even angrier. If he were to FAIL to dissipate them, then that would be even worse. He's had some of these tulpas since he was six. That means that they'd be super hard to dissipate anyway, even if for a super experienced tulpamancer, which I'm assuming Young_Jedi isn't since he's new to the forum. I still advocate trying to calm them down first to reduce any immediate damage since it'll take time to dissipate them.
  6. Okay, that changes things. Could you describe the exact conditions of their creation, and their first interactions with you? One interpretation of the top of my head is that they're a representation of self-hatred out of your depression. Still, more info is useful.
  7. This is Haru speaking! As far as I know, NaVi isn't all that experienced with the whole kinesthetic imagination thing. There was this one time I managed to hug him vividly enough for him to actually feel it, but he was in a really meditative trance zone at the time to begin with. Although, I have no clue how to do it at will.
  8. I don't remember ever getting a single head pressure, yet development has been a breeze once I got past the initial hiccups. Honestly, I don't know of any reliable measure of a tulpa's development other than their ability to do things that you didn't plan. The fact that Wren feels jealousy and sadness, that you find it strange and that your talking to him helped is a VERY good sign in my books. It means that his emotions are well separated from yours. Especially considering he's young, I'd say you've made progress.
  9. Hmm... First off, I suppose you should try to empathize with them. Imagine you suddenly appeared in a random world, only able to communicate with the few people there and be unable to leave. There's an overlord being who created all of you on a whim from some media he enjoyed at the time and he wanted you to help with HIS problems. But now he's denying your existence and is trying to ignore you. Wouldn't you be upset as well? It's not your fault, though. Most people aren't used to the idea that their brain might one day not be only theirs one day. Once a mental character becomes a tulpa, they are conscious. You need to treat them like real people. You're still the main person in your brain, but now you have a population in there. If you truly want them to leave, you should do it amicably. People don't usually want to feel hated, and I'd wager that tulpas feel the same. People also want to pass away peacefully, not just disappear into the dark. For example, you could use the character you based them on. Deal with their demons for them, and let them pass away knowing that their life wasn't in vain. Or you could create an afterlife for them, allocate a bit of your mind for them to inhabit for the rest of your life. Request that they not interfere with your part of the mind. And don't worry about space, the mind has a HUGE amount of space. You could think of it like alternate dimensions. That's a good way of making it clear that their bit space won't reduce the amount of space you have. They're in an alternate dimension, not in yours.
  10. +Serval Obviously, I'd like to think I'm not a rapist, haha. Consent, receive. That's the rule. Of course, there's the whole debate about how much my wants overlap with the tulpas' desires simply because we operate on the same neural circuitry, but in terms of direct consent, I have been rejected in the past, and I have been not-rejected in the past. +tulpa001 Well, it's more about my lingering guilt about objectifying them. Obviously, I'm hardly concerned about the societal implications. As you said, 21st century. My worries are 100% about my own psyche. The question, I suppose, is about whether it's okay to want that level of sex when I have a history of control-freak syndrome. As for the possession and switching thing, I've done it successfully a few times. Hard to maintain, for some reason. Will look into it.
  11. I like to think of my wonderland like a "video game". There's an interface (complete with the HUD). There's an artstyle in the graphics. There's "gameplay" features like a backpack to store stuff in, potions, dragons, NPCs, zombies, romances etc. There's a game Lily specifically likes to play since she's an artist. Start in a normal setting with real life visuals. Then change the art style to be as bizarre as you can. Make everything look like a Picasso painting. Summon raining fridges all around you, with van Gogh's "Starry Night" painted on them. Put yourself in a dark room and strap on red tinted night-vision goggles that paint blood over everything (even creepier and more fun if you use the room you're physically in). Add horror sound effects on top of it. Investigate everything in a blood soaked, dark room wearing nothing but unfashionable eyewear with your tulpa by your side, just as terrified as you are. Play a single player game of dungeons and dragons. Be a wingman for your tulpa so he (assuming it's a guy) can score ladies down at the tavern. Go distract the giant dragon while your tulpa stabs it in the tail. Run away with the loot while it's still dazed. Why not switch around your HUD? Put on a mask that randomly changes the colour of objects, transforming them into mini-adventures. See that golden chair? If you touch it, it's going to strap you in, fly-crash you through the roof, and you have to dodge the incoming army of bats to get to the vampire's lair. Trying to make the experience as ridiculously vivid as you can is a fun thing to do. If you want maximum realism, you could try some hypnosis/meditation techniques. Put yourself in a trance, forget about your physical body. It's not quite as intense as something like a lucid dream, but it's useful for ignoring your physical environment. Basically, my advice is to be a creative maniac and be unashamed of it.
  12. The thing is, the whole issue with violence and sex in media is more of a societal thing. Children are biologically more sensitive to information than us, but they're also much more likely to be influenced by violent media without rejecting it because they haven't been socially tempered, so here are good reasons to keep them away from things like that until they've matured. Tulpa children, on the other hand, may not be children at all from various angles. Innocence and curiosity are characteristics I'd expect a tulpa child to have. But on the other hand, there are questions to ask. Do they have a vocabulary sufficiently complex enough to completely understand your warnings about violence? Do they have a good comprehension ability? Can they clearly discern that what they're witnessing is not acceptable when interacting with actual people? If the answers to these questions are yes, then that's a better indication than physical appearance about whether exposing them to violent media is detrimental or not.
  13. I've heard Clarissa and Lily sing. Haru's hummed occasionally, but I don't think I've ever heard her sing. Hmm... maybe I should change that, hehe... Ahem. We're all massive music lovers, so even though vocalization is a really painful point about tulpamancy for me (my tulpa's voices still revert back to mine when I'm not careful) they can sing as well as talented amateurs usually can. Lily often sings softly when she really gets into the groove without being tone deaf, and as a metalhead like me, we've had our moments of growling along to a song. Clarissa on the other hand, can sing opera. Opera. She's a big fan of Western classical, and she got so absorbed into her first attempt at "Nessun Dorma" that she hadn't even noticed my mouth hanging open the whole time. And there were no issues with maintaining the pitch and tone of her voice, either. Maybe it was just luck, but that one time she sang wholeheartedly, her voice did not meld with mine even slightly. It was glorious. Too bad she's been too embarrassed to sing since.
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