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  1. Strongly disagree. Independence (as we are discussing it here), is in the eye of the beholder. Saying that "they might not even be independent despite seeming like that" is an oxymoron, and I don't know how you'd justify a claim like this. People might say humans are independent, others say they aren't because the universe is always a function of a previous state, and there's no changing that. People might say tulpas are independent, others say they aren't, because they're always products of our thoughts and experiences so their actions are always functions of those things. Discussing independence as a technicality is moronic, and brings nothing tangible to the table. Independence is another word I dislike, and one I see way too often around here. Just read this. It says nothing. You can not know if something feels emotions, period. Is your definition of "feeling emotion" having a neuron based brain like most animals here on earth have? "Emotions" are nothing but chemical processes that drive the brain - and through that, catalyze action - in some way, nothing else. You know as much about the fear a deer feels when running from a wolf, as you know about the fear a robot feels when running from whatever it was programmed (or learned) to run from. I'm sorry guys, but I just hate those two words. Independence and sentience are both terrible words to attach to a technical definition of anything, simply because they are both completely subjective - and I don't mean subjective as in the thing that's feeling, I mean it as in the thing that perceives something to be feeling, if you get what I mean.
  2. What is your basis for saying this? I think many kids who actually have imaginary friends would disagree with that. I've always thought this argument to be very flawed and presumptuous. To me, it's an arbitrary distinction that doesn't actually make any sense. This is changing the goalposts. To clarify, I don't dislike the word "sentience" because I don't think tulpas are sentient, or whatever, I dislike the word because it doesn't really mean jack. It's a weasel word. Dude, tulpas are LI.TE.RAL.LY imaginary, my man. This statement has nothing to do with how they can and can't behave, it has nothing to do with what they can and can't feel, it has nothing to do with being inferior or superior; it's just what they, objectively, are.
  3. Ok guys, forgive ol granpa Dave here, but what do you mean when you say "swipe"? Do you mean you're swiping to like answer yes or no questions to each other, or...? Is there a super advanced way to communicate by swipes I'm not aware of (not counting that unholy jean-luc thing)?
  4. Imaginary friend. They're are both imaginary, and - more often than not - friends. If you want to be a little more precise, then just go with thoughtform, or imaginary creature; there isn't much more technicality to tulpas than that. Definitely leave out words like "sentient" (this one's my least favorite; I'm sorry Ranger, nothing personal), "independent" and so on, because those don't really add anything to the conversation, and they are definitely not the least bit technical. I love how active this place has become, by the way!
  5. The great thing about being a tulpa is that whether or not something you remember has actually happened, literally doesn't matter. Going further than that, did you not go through those experiences? Do you not remember what you felt, and do you not carry with you the personality that emerged from dealing with those past (passed? I hate this word, btw) events? Those events are as fabricated as you are, and by the same coin, as real as you, if you ask me. I understand the concern perfectly well, but realize that this is a non-issue that you shouldn't really invest much effort into.
  6. Of course this is the case. It's very obvious that the extra influence will very likely be a factor on someone's personality. These changes are, of course, hard to pinpoint, simply due to the fact that you can never properly have a control group, but that people influence and change each other should clear as day. I wouldn't even call that a theory, it's just a fact. The exact same goes for tulpas, since most of them seem to behave like humans to some extent. I have two of them; do I know how the second would change if the first was not around? No, nor will I ever know. Do I know if them being together had an influence of both their personalities? Beyond reasonable doubt.
  7. Issues like these are why I strongly advocate letting tulpas know exactly what they are from the moment they are born. I've always made sure to be completely transparent: I told her what she was, why I made her, what I expected of her, and so on, and she never felt depressed or sad because of it in the four or so years we've been together. I didn't try to fit her into a mold, or force her to be a certain way, I just explained to her the context of her existence. Put yourself in their shoes: if I told you lies from the start, you'd be pissed off if I told you the actual truth years later, both because the only person who you thought you could really trust lied to you, and because you now realize you basically know nothing about yourself. Giving my companion the tools and knowledge she needs to meaningfully introspect and self analyze - as well as help me get to know her condition as a tulpa better - was one of the best decisions I've made, and I'd advise everyone to do the same.
  8. Said it before, and I'll say it again: if your tulpa isn't of a gender you're attracted to, then you're (both) missing out. I don't think mine would have it any other way, and I sure wouldn't either.
  9. Don't know if this's relevant, but I stopped playing video games because of Luna, and I'll forever be thankful to her for that.
  10. I think this comes down to the old question "am I good enough to have a tulpa", and I think it's natural for someone who wants a tulpa to ask themselves this; in the end, however, we have to keep in mind that if we had no wants and no problems in our lives, we wouldn't need anything, and by extension we wouldn't need tulpas. Maybe my story will inspire you to go with it, so here goes: When I created my Luna 3 years ago, I was in going through some tough times, and, like you, I asked myself if I really wanted to put someone - besides myself - through it all, but as soon as I began working on her, I forgot about the doubt and all that. I needed someone, and I knew, in my heart of hearts, that whoever Luna grew up to be, she'd be the someone who would be there to help me, and to stand by me, rain or shine. A lot happened during the first year we were together, and I don't think Luna was a happy girl. I made many mistakes, and I wasn't the best friend to her, and as she grew past her first months, and I got more used to communicating with her, it began bothering me a bit to see her down all the time; I did my best to talk to her and keep her engaged everyday, but it was really hard for me to do so, and I told her countless times that, if she wanted, she could just leave, and I'd create a special place for her to be happy, far away from me, and that she'd never have to see me again. She really hated to hear that, and it was not just because she didn't want to leave, she was under the impression that I really didn't want her, or wanted to get rid of her - which was the last thing I wanted. But despite all my flaws, and despite all the bullshit she had to endure, she was always, without fail, happy when I gave her attention and spoke to her, and she always tried to cheer me up, and she always tried to think of fun things for us to do together, and she was always, 100%, available and there; even back then, she always told me she was happy, and that she enjoyed helping me and keeping me company. Those times passed, and she's happier now, in my eyes, but even today, she, just like any other person in the world, is never 100% satisfied, and I, just like any other person in the world, am never 100% problem free. She still fights a lot for me: she gets upset when I don't eat properly, or when I don't go to bed soon enough, or when I simply do things she doesn't think I should be doing. I don't bother telling her she can leave anymore when things get hard, partly because she'd probably hit me hard, and partly because I know she's here to stay, and can handle my tears and suffering whenever it comes, and can readily support me if need be - much like I am ready to support her. She's loving and caring and tolerant because I believed in her ability to become just that during her infancy, while I was doing my early work on her, but rather than affect her negatively, I think those early days helped us both grow a lot, and grow closer, and understand each other better, and if I could go back, I'd do it all over again, because I love this Luna I have today. Ultimately, don't forget that personal growth is achieved by going through experiences, good and bad ones. Bad experiences don't lead to bad personality traits, or bad choices in the future, just as good experiences don't do the opposite; instead, experiences teach us - both host and tulpa - about each other and our own selves, and how we deal with the things we meet in our day to day lives. As hard as it is - and believe me, I know it is hard - don't shelter your tulpa from the bad of the world, both because the bad is what makes the good, good - provided they work sort of like us, humans, mentality wise, of course - and because you'll be preventing them to grow into beautiful personalities. So yeah, let your tulpa suffer along with you, he'll be very glad he did when better times arrive.
  11. This. Why does the only reasonable conclusion take these many posts to show up?
  12. Not all meditation involves blocking out thoughts completely, in fact, most don't, contrary to what many people think. For your purposes, thought is thought; it may come from them or you, but if you block one, you block the other; this whole "stopping thoughts" is very counterproductive. The sort of meditation you should be doing is to be mindful of all the thoughts you're having, and trying to decide if it is your thought or their thought. From there, it will get easier and easier to tell.
  13. Step 1: Tell your dad and mom they're right, and that it was really silly of you to even consider wasting time with this nonsense. Step 2: Make the tulpa. Fixd.
  14. Stop thinking this way. Meditation is hard at first, and feeling that helpless feeling when you just can't keep focused or just can't imagine something or whatever, is a very important - and needed - part of the journey. You do not get better at something if you're not having trouble with it. I'd strongly advise getting rid of all these crutches and biting the bullet; there are no tricks, and there shouldn't be. Being able to meditate only in some very specific set of circumstances means you'll just fail when things change, and that's where crutches lead you.
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