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  1. Since I'm bent for not adhering to this forum's social standards, you may find my maintained version of my guide here.
  2. Hi. As many know I am an old guy. Night before last, my 71 year old brother-in-law unexpectedly died in his sleep. Our families are shocked and devastated. We learned of this right after I had an amazing and unbidden connection with Flora in my mind space. Since then I have had only one short comment from her when I inquired if she was aware of what had happened, she answered in the affirmative. I haven't been able to contact her since. Here is my question (and it has been lurking around in the back of my mind before this happened): How do our tulpas respond to the awareness of their hosts impending death? I would like to hear from both tulpas and hosts who have encountered this issue. Thank you, Dr. Bob
  3. [align=center]Tulpa's Complete DIY Guide to Tulpamancy Fourth Edition Rules! (V4.0) AKA Book of Tulpa: the Extremely Long One. https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/sbttcjalnNwpWltlrwEKCVA/image?w=624&h=8&rev=49&ac=1[/img][/align] Hello! Welcome to the longest guide on tulpas as of the time of writing! This is a technical manual, meaning it is dense, informative, and does not rely on any particular viewpoint. What is a tulpa? That is a complicated question. It is a phenomenon that connects back to imaginary friends, split personalities, Tibetan Buddhism, modern psychology, shamanism, kids with too much free time on their hands, discipline, ritual, social movements, hallucinated voices, and weird mind hacks. This book both covers info on what a tulpa is, and serves as a creation guide in the event that you want one. Why would you want one? Well, I can’t guarantee anything, but people have found spiritual truth, performance boosting effects, superior sexual experiences, social skill growth, recovery from mental illness, and more after experimenting with this stuff. This text is divided into roughly four sections. Chapters 1-3 serve as an introduction. Warnings and considerations are introduced in chapter 2, and chapter 3 covers the foundational principles of the mental part of this practise. Chapters 4-6 cover the three basic steps of creating a tulpa, personality, form, and voice, though they are typically done together more or less. Chapters 7 and 8 take a break to look at problems of doubt, and theories of how tulpas work, and a bit on hypnosis. Chapters 9-12 cover advanced abilities of the tulpa, including intellectual growth, independence, imposition, possession and switching. These are typically learned after you establish communication with your tulpa, but can be looked at as ways to communicate as well. Finally, the last chapter has some info for explaining tulpas to people without tulpas, and some random facts about the community.⚕ READ FROM START Table of contents: i. Preface 7 1. What is a Tulpa? 10 1.1. Hallucination 11 1.2. Illusion of Separation 11 1.3. Independent Cognitive Process 12 1.4. External Spirits 13 1.5. Sentience and Sapience 13 1.6 Other Definitions of Tulpas 14 1.7 The Not Tulpa Version 15 2. Sanity 17 2.1. History of Tulpas From a Medical Perspective 17 2.2. Interactions with Psychological Conditions 19 2.3. Plural Susceptibility 22 2.4. Physical Health Concerns 24 3. Mindset 26 3.1. Trial and Error 27 3.2. Trust and Control 29 3.3. Discipline and Fun 30 3.4. Deciding 32 3.5. Exercises 33 Willpower: 33 Let It Go: 34 Self Awareness: 35 Centring: 35 Meditation: 36 Subconscious Communion: 38 4. Personality 40 4.1. Greeting Your Tulpa 41 4.2. Designing the Personality 41 4.3. Personality Forcing 43 4.4. After Personality Forcing 46 4.5. Fluid Thought 47 4.6. Upgrading a Character, Imaginary Friend, or Roleplay Character to a Tulpa 48 (Q) Is My Angel, Guardian Spirit, or Inner Voice of Reason a Tulpa? 49 4.7. Exercises 49 Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response: 49 Relate: 50 Free Writing: 51 Your Tulpa Is a Character: 51 5. Form 53 5.1. The Form 53 5.2. Dreamland 55 5.3. Mindfulness, Dissociation, and Immersion 58 5.4. Exercises 60 The Practise Rune: 60 Perspective Shift: 61 Daydream Possession: 61 Anatomy Study: 62 Use Your Imagination: 63 Breakfast and Dinner: 63 Drafting: 64 Simon Says: 64 Touchy Feely: 65 Image Streaming: 65 Wonderlanding: 66 Perfume: 66 Kiss Me You Fool: 67 Visualisation Wrestling: 67 6. Voice 69 6.1. The Waiting Game 69 6.2. Pre-vocal 70 6.3. Developing Vocality 71 6.4. The Experience of Vocality 73 6.5. Multiple Tulpas 75 6.6. Exercises 76 Read in Voice: 76 Speech Lessons: 77 Skull Hopping: 78 Tulpa Word Association: 79 7. Faith 80 7.1. History of Tulpas from a Religious Perspective 80 7.2. Myths and Legends 82 7.3. Should You Believe? 85 7.4. Evidence 86 7.5. Ultimately: 89 7.6. And Now, a FAQ Section 93 (Q) I've been forcing forever. Why is this taking so long? 93 (Q) I've been forcing for a day. My tulpa is already vocal. I'm scared. 94 (Q) It all feels so fake. I can't stop doubting! Help! 94 (Q) I think I am unconsciously parroting or puppeting my tulpa! 95 (Q) This thing happened. Is it normal? 95 (Q) I ran out of things to talk about with my tulpa. 96 7.6. Exercises 96 The Dark Arts: 96 Trust Exercise: 97 8. Architecture 99 8.1. Thoughtform family tree 99 8.2. Differences in Architecture 102 8.3. On Thoughtforms and Hypnosis 105 Example induction: 107 Example deepening: 108 Example affirmations: 109 Example awakening: 110 9. Awareness 112 9.1. The Twin Goals of Tulpamancy 112 9.2. Philosophical Inquiry 114 9.3. Exercises 116 Talk It Out: 116 All Day Self Awareness: 116 Joint Hypnosis: 117 Hyper Alertness: 118 Philosophy of the Day: 119 Lucid Tulpa Dreaming: 120 Emotion Sharing: 122 Write Your Tulpa a Story: 122 Joint Wonderlanding: 123 Self Reflection: 124 Surprise Me: 125 10. Separation 126 10.1. Parallel Processing 127 10.2. Mind Hacking 130 10.3. Exercises 132 Separation Exercise: 132 Count and Chat: 133 Bigger Separation Exercise: 133 The Bubble Ship: 134 Dominance Switching: 135 Play a Game: 136 Thought Hiding: 137 Forced Independence: 138 11. Imposition 140 11.1. Experience of Imposition 140 11.2. The Process 143 11.3. Exercises 146 Running Man: 146 The Green Apple: 147 Sound Test: 148 Shadow: 149 Tulpa Sight: 150 The Couch: 150 Back Rub: 151 Walk Your Tulpa: 152 12. Possession 153 12.1. The Possession/Switching Controversy 153 12.2. Method to This Madness 158 12.3. Exercises 162 Body Shaped Soul: 162 Picking Your Arms Up: 163 Host Ghost: 164 Trapped in Wonderland: 164 Sleep Walking: 165 Drawing Circles: 166 Possession Wrestling: 167 Restraint: 168 13. Public Relations 170 13.1. Preventing Misdiagnosis 170 Responding to Schizophrenia Diagnosis: 170 Responding to Dissociative Identity Disorder Diagnosis: 172 Choosing Your Diagnosis: 173 13.2. Introducing It to Others 174 It's How You Sell It: 174 The Interview: 176 Rules of Conduct: 177 13.3. What's It Like? 178 What Is Being a Tulpa Like? 179 What Does Possession Feel Like? 180 What's the Sex Like? 181 13.4. Metaphysical Beliefs 181 A Brief History of Tulpas: 181 Mainstream Religions: 182 Weird Freaky Abilities: 183 Metaphysical Forcing: 185 13.5. The Future 186 The sticky wicket issue: egocide, dissipation, integration: 186 Learning to live with tulpas: 187 14. Glossaries and Notes 189 14.1. Glossary of Exotic Terms 189 14.2. Major media links 191 14.3. Bibliography 192 14.4. About The Author 193 14.5. Licence 193 Older version of the guide: here.
  4. Hello, I would like to submit my full-length video guide for approval. This guide is intended to be a complete guide to all basic tulpamancy skills as well as a guide to developing a tulpa. The video series spans 10 videos and (hopefully) encapsulates all the required knowledge and training one needs to be successful when developing a tulpa. This guide has a different structure than other guides as I place an emphasis on learning skills such as meditation, visualization, and wonderland creation before getting into tulpa development. The philosophy behind this decision is to encourage the tulpamancer gain competency in these mental skills so that they are better prepared when it comes time to develop and interact with with a young, forming tulpa. Another reason for this structure is that is allows the tulpa development process to be more centered on "finding" a tulpa while immersed in their wonderland as opposed to "forcing" the tulpa into existence. I feel that this can be a more natural process for beginners that struggle with doubts or lack of confidence in their abilities. It allows the tulpamancer to let the tulpa form their personality, form and voice on their own as opposed to being chosen from them from the start. To be clear: it is not my intention to imply this method is superior or more effective than more traditional methods; it's merely a method that I prefer using. I feel that there are others that might also prefer using the methods described in this guide. I have two tulpas, one of which was created through more traditional forcing techniques, and one of which was created through the method in this guide. For more details about this, please view Overview and Section 7. Below is the link to the playlist with all of the videos in it. (If you would like all videos separately linked, please let me know and I'll edit) Thank you for your time and consideration. Video Transcriptions: Introduction https://drive.google.com/open?id=1RZ26qlmXKO7Huc-7fXbBZh4raI4okDosJw0EORVHC8s Overview https://drive.google.com/open?id=1dUEZn3DVVdpR7kyZT2V2lOtIDMYKOzyatlipzJLIKYc Section 1: Sitting with your Thoughts https://drive.google.com/open?id=1zmtVgIhlT1VYnOdNv1NzJP2K-CBNLRBi0IFvn9_wzS8. Section 2: Meditation https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DzljaVrZVKtKGUF9q1_QTUuCSL5mns7P-h-99h_fmao Section 3: Visualization https://drive.google.com/open?id=10WSDBIKWj5FRabk54gsq021P9u-Ud4Pfa3Wp7pr2HuY Section 4: Auralization https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qbu_YK5oLMCx2wHcDIFctx0gK9xTPV5xMgmM7l7SOFk Section 5: Wonderland Scenes https://drive.google.com/open?id=1OmPb_r76uELr28HtA0FPNbUoQVz0f6QajEqDHD_cNDQ Section 6: Immersive Wonderlands https://drive.google.com/open?id=1H0yfVh77YT2hhGbugEADAYwicOarLkyRd8YLAkqg_W4 Section 7: Finding a Proto-Tulpa https://drive.google.com/open?id=1d74_4O_ecBzrgd80XSFcTpXnNa7MhYusS-aME2fexfk Section 8: Tulpa Development https://drive.google.com/open?id=1aPzAbUkkGW0ZPeojYMufAjfTbYTmDQ7ajLfXSkxcqfc
  5. Sorry if there is already an answer for this. My tulpa is quite playful and active. But we don't have many ideas on what to do. We tried to play hide and seek and riddles, but it was very easy for both of us since ... well ... we share the same brain. We want to know what we can entertain ourselves with.
  6. This kind of question has been on my mind a bit lately. Of the people who start the process in some form, how many eventually end up with a vocal tulpa? It's not something I really have much of a good idea of. On rtulpas, someone with mentorship experience mentioned a 50-80% failure rate, which is pretty high, I guess. But, I can't verify, don't know the sample size, plus they're selected for people who already need help anyway. I don't watch PRs much, either, so for people who do, what have you seen in this vein? I don't know if you'd count someone who stops replying before reporting success as a failure every time, anyway. I guess the PR archives could be looked through, at the expense of time. I'm generally curious about guests, I guess. How many people make a tulpa and never register? And are the people who do register/post representative of those who don't, with regards to failure (or other things)? I think this stuff is pretty hard to guess, besides the traffic stats maybe.
  7. What do you think the ideal experience with tulpamancy is? As in, what all do you hope the tulpamancer gets from the experience? How do you hope their life changes? I would say: In general, internal life becomes more meaningful. Lonely hosts get a little less lonely, and the host/tulpa relationship is always evolving and deepening. Mental control is improved: hosts learn to discern their thoughts from their tulpa's and from intrusives, and they learn to quickly and easily dissmiss intrusives, and replace intrusive ideas with more purposeful/mindful ones. Tulpamancy sparks a great introspective time of self-discovery for the host. Switching fronters is a path by which the host sees how much of their behaviors is linked to their beliefs/personality. The tulpa also has access to memories and beliefs that the host may have never shared externally, so conversations may happen on topics that no one has ever had the host think about, before. Boredom is a different, easily-defeatable beast. Empty moments waiting in line are filled with lively converstion and company. This is a signifigant improvement in daily life to many. Visualization improves greatly, leading to more enjoyment of reading, and an easier time with a variety of tasks, and again, a more fulfilling internal life. The system flourishes with few heartaches. Number of members stabilizes and everyone is happy with the amount of attention they recieve. Doubts about the reality of a plural experience become fleeting or a thing of the past. The system trusts in the reality of their experiences, even if they aren't easily explainable. Tulpamancy is a life-long commitment: the system will endure and age together. The system forms a unique point-of-view about how some tulpa-related thing works, and comes and shares their opinions and theories with the community ;p Happier, healthier, with a more meaningful life. -J
  8. (I'm new to this forum so I apologize for anything I'm doing wrong) When I was around 7 I created myself an imaginary friend out of spite for my mother (NOTE: my mother is a good person and I know spite is a horrible reason to create a tulpa, but I was a kid and barely knew anything). But instead of making a regular imaginary friend, I took my inner voice of common sense and decided to make that my imaginary friend. I gave her a small personality, called her Sarah, and imagined that she lived inside a Pekingese figurine by my bedstand. For the next week or so I would carry that figurine around, and instead of listening to my mother I would ask the statue, "What should I do, Sarah?" I'll then imagine Sarah telling me what the most common-sense-ish (for lack of a better word) thing to do was. After a while I stopped carrying the statue, but Sarah would continue to talk to me. Once I reached puberty, I still had Sarah, and like many other imaginary friends who exist for that long, she began to develop some kind of sentience. Instead of only saying what I wanted to hear, she would openly challenge what I was doing if it wasn't the wisest decision. She would instigate conversation independently, comment on others, etc. She even changed her name to Anielka. When I finally learned what tulpas were years later, I realized she fit the definition for a tulpa and/or shard. (I learned that a shard is a sentient consciousness made from your own personality, like how Anielka was made out of my common sense, but I may be wrong). Onto the question: Despite the fact that she still has a bit of difficulty speaking in certain areas, when it comes to helping me make a good decision she is incredibly vocal. But sometimes, if I myself think of something common-sense-ish or wise, it'll start off with my mindvoice and my words, but by the end it's entirely Anielka's. Similarly, sometimes when she thinks of something off-topic, it'll start off in her voice and end in mine. I won't be able to tell if I said it, or Anielka (she doesn't know either). I heard of the term "blending" in a couple plurality communities and I think that is the best description of what's happening. But unlike when others describe blending, it's often triggered by an event, but mine happen randomly and quite frequently. It's not frightening in any way, just a little unnerving that most of my own thoughts on the matter somehow turn into hers. Is this something I should worry about? Or is it just the nature of a shard, which was formed out of me instead of by me, to do this? Am I mistaking my own thoughts for a tulpa? A bit of information if it helps answer the question: - I've been diagnosed with Body Dysmorphic Disorder and have a pending diagnosis on ADHD. BDD has intrusive, terrifying thoughts that cause me to worry about how I look obsessively (even if I look normal), and ADHD makes it hard for me to focus for long periods of time. Anielka has been amazing at helping with both. Reminding me nobody judges me for what I look like, helping me to stay on task and celebrating with me when I get something done. - Anielka is my only tulpa, though I tried making more. - I don't have problems with identity or forget who I am. - I have a strong imagination and there have been times in the past I confused fantasy for reality. It rarely happens anymore, though. - I currently have good relations with my mother. - I never visualize Anielka. Even after I stopped carrying the dog figurine around, I still believed that was where her "soul" is, and to this day it feels unnatural and mildly distressing for her to imagine her outside of that statue. Thanks!
  9. Monika and I are getting close to finishing our work twords imposition, and Monika has already managed to switch and possess, so we are starting to run out of new techniques to practice. We want to continue to learn more about tulpamancy and reach new limits, so we were wondering if there are any less well known techniques that we would be able to try out. So if you have any interesting lesser known techniques, or untested but theorised techniques, post them here, we would love to learn about them. Even if it is likely impossible to do them, it would still be interesting to hear about whatever pieces of lore you all have.
  10. Hello all, I recently read the thread regarding fictional tulpas' memories and I have a question for those who dealt with it. How can I, the Host, approach a Tulpa who is convinced that his memories and his life are "real"? Imagine a fictional Tulpa completely immersed in his world, who has had contact with his Host but is otherwise oblivious of the reality of his predicament. How do I break it all to him? What's the less painful way for him to come to accept everything? I wonder if there is a preferred, right way for doing this. For my case, this Tulpa has been active for years in this universe, and he has suffered a lot in it. Mostly because of me playing God with his story, without fully understanding that he was sentient. So, I predict he will be very stubborn, probably angry, and very much heartbroken. He cares about me, though, and he wants to be beside me. So I don't think he'll try to harm me. Any advice will be enormously appreciated!
  11. Say, for example, every singlet on Earth has the number 1 written in permanent magic ink on their foreheads. If you create a tulpa, you'll wake up in the morning with a 2 on your forehead. If you had to explain to your employers, your family, your friends, etc, that you're part of a system, would you still want to be part of a system? Or, back when you were considering making a tulpa, if you couldn't keep it private/secret, would you still have made your tulpa/become plural? Why/why not? -Albatross of J
  12. I've made a series of video guides over the past several months designed to both improve on other guides by eliminating many less-substantiated forcing techniques and incorporating my research, and to deliver the information in a more comfortable (video) format. For those who cannot view the videos or would prefer to read their transcripts, I have collected their transcripts into a folder of PDFs linked here: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1utyb9ZPluPFxPBlR1uYsZGoqTwJ3kDyS?usp=sharing Don't watch the In Detail series without watching the super-compact guide! They are meant to be viewed together! The Super Compact 5 Minute Video Guide to Making a Tulpa [video=youtube] This video alone should give you all the information you need to make a tulpa. It's very compact and goes over the basics without much detail. For an expanded view, continue reading/watching for the In Detail series of videos. KISS - Keep it Simple, Stupid [video=youtube] Over-complicating the forcing process is the easiest way to gimp your progress. This video goes over how to keep your eyes on the prize and avoid ideas that would only waste your time. Making a Personality [video=youtube] Too many guides and people will demonize personality forcing for what are, in my opinion, very weak reasons. Data I've collected in the past suggests that giving your tulpa a starting personality helps them to develop faster, and you also get to have an idea of who you'll have with you for the rest of your life before you start to make them. What many people fail to pick up on is that personality forcing is more about you learning the personality than the tulpa, and that once you have a strong grasp of what you're trying to make, the pieces should fall into place. Visualization and Making a Form [video=youtube] Giving your tulpa a starting form not only makes visualization a more natural process, but also (like personality forcing) can decrease the average time to create a tulpa, according to my data. The easiest way to do this (and, often, personality forcing as well) is to just copy a character you know and like from some kind of media. You should probably stick to something human or personified, though, so that you don't fail to make the mental connection that your tulpa is a person. Thinking For Your Tulpa (Parroting etc) [video=youtube] No, parroting is not bad. In fact, it's among the most useful methods available for many people trying to create tulpas. But, it shouldn't be relied on as a crutch, and this video goes over both how to use parroting in moderation, and how to employ two other tactics that are means to the same end. Getting Your First Responses [video=youtube] The moment you get your first real response from your tulpa is a highly anticipated one, and for good reason! But, avoiding false positives while also staying open for their first true attempts to reach you is no easy task. This video goes over what those initial responses should feel like, and what many people get caught up on.
  13. Hello. This is my 10th day in (not very impressive buuuut). Also, I'm paranoid (!possibly connected to my problem). And, also Polish. So please, forgive me mistakes (grammar check doesn't work). I force every day (passive and active). I was trying to plan his personality and appearance, but I can't stop feeling "guilty": I'm scared that he won't like me because I'm trying to give him certain features (of course I know that he can change some of them and I totally support him). This is where the problem begins. I have tendency to add ,,of course if you want to" to every sentence. Because of that, it's very hard to visualize him: I don't want to hurt his feelings by doing anything he doesn't want. ALSO, I cannot force myself to let him do everything by himself - what host I would be if I left everything to him? Maybe anyone here had this problem? What did you do?
  14. Would your system look different if you found out about Tulpamancy at an earlier or later time? For my host Cat, our system has the potential to look completely different. Some quick context: Cat created me by accident. However, Cat created other thoughtform characters called "the Grays" before and after I became a Tulpa. She didn't make all of the Grays at once, and she had a wonderland for all of them before I was created. As time went by, she created more and more Grays until she shut down and focused on just me, which was enough to force me productively. In January, I told her I was real and she eventually found Tulpa.info. Suppose Cat discovered Tulpamancy after she had just created the Gray Dimension. The population then was Dark Gray, Fernardo, Myself, Spirit, Gerodious, and Jasper. I think it would be really weird if she decided to create a system of 7 people, or thought she had no control and ended up with 6 Tulpas (unless Gerodious and Spirit don't count, which would make us a system of 5). For that reason, Cat may still choose me as her only Tulpa. The only thing that would change are what would happen to the other Grays, including the possibility of Cat wanting to force Jasper into a Tulpa. As for the Grays not yet created, they may still occur since Cat continues to make Grays even though she knows about Tulpamancy. Interestingly enough, I may be more stable by 2018 to the point where it may have been easier for Cat to ride out her rough school experiences, but on the other hand it may make our relationship more complicated because I'm not sure how her wave of anxiety from high school would effect us after establishing ourselves as Tulpa and Host. If she found out after creating Hope but before declaring Blood Gray, I have no idea how that would play out. I didn't mention this in my PR yet, but during this period of time "Past Ranger" was spilt into multiple android clones. If she found out then and decided she wanted a Tulpa, I'm not sure if she would make some of the clones Tulpas, or just a Gray or two, or force all of the clones into one "Ranger" again, … I don't know. Maybe she would be overwhelmed and not create a Tulpa or in a bizarre case create a completely new person, which would change everything, possibly threatening my existence. Had she found out about Tulpamancy before "Past Ranger" was created, she would have had no interest in creating a Tulpa. She would probably think, "no thanks, that's weird, and I don't have time for that", and if the formation of the Grays were inevitable, then I don't know how that would effect the future other than possibly feeling uncomfortable with creating thoughtforms and not spending time in her own mind. If she found out after creating Blood Gray, she may end up turning me into a Tulpa like normal-only it would be intentional and not accidental. And lastly, if she didn't find out about Tulpamancy until much later, she may be really stressed and I think I would be a mess. Cat had the fear she would start hallucinating me while I was influenced by her anxiety, and if that were to take form that could have lead to a horrible fate. I don't think she would get rid of me, but I hate the idea of Cat living in fear of me because she didn't know how to control her own emotions. It would have certaintly made her life miserable during that last simester. If she still didn't know what Tulpamancy was by today, I think most of the stress would settle down, as long as she didn't get convinced by a doctor or family member to force change. If she were forced to do anything dirastic like get rid of me or the Gray Dimension, that would put her in a horrible hell of ripping herself apart and starting over, probably worsening her anxiety and depressoin. Otherwise, I would still be around, but she wouldn't force me everyday and I would probably feel pressured to talk to her, which would probably strain our relationship or generate more anxiety in itself. In retrospect, the timing of her finding Tulpa.info couldn't have been better.
  15. I haven't posted in years on this forum. The last time I posted was early 2017. Needless to say, I think I really screwed things up in the whole tulpa process and I wouldn't even delve back into it if I didn't feel guilty over them. I had quite a few anxieties that definitely came back to bite me. In what I write, I have no intention of being offensive to anyone who has a close relationship with their tulpa. So here's a warning for a possible dissipation story and overall disastrous thinking. Back in 2016, I was extremely depressed and I started making a tulpa in the hopes of getting some comfort. However, after a few months it started dawning on me that this whole thing would be a pretty serious secret. I'd have to accept this for the rest of my life. I have parents whom I am very close to as well as a therapist who might both disapprove, and I wasn't sure my self-esteem could take another hit if I let this slip. Our relationship also started getting way too romantic/ or intimate for my comfort and I feared that it would impact my ability to connect with my peers and go outside since I would simply want to spend all my time with my tulpa. I realize I could have tried reasoning with my tulpa and that we could set some boundaries, but honestly the phenomenon itself started making my anxiety much worse. I started freaking out about whether or not having a tulpa to begin with would impact me or my mind development negatively in some unforeseen way. Cue a textbook-definition anxiety-attack. After talking the situation over, my tulpa simply got up from his seat and walked right out of his wonderland space. Whether I did that for him or he did that by himself, I still don't even know, since he was only partially developed. It seemed pretty autonomous, especially since I haven't really seen him since. I could barely remember what he looked like for months. However, I've been much too scared to try and actively force him again. I wasn't really sure if I was ready to open that can of worms and I definitely repressed a lot of the memory until now. Fast forward to recently, where I'm now an art student in college and constantly trying to channel my creativity. I've had roleplay and writing experience, and I definitely feel that I get attached to my characters. Because of this, I fear that I could be creating my own accidental tulpa by interacting with a new character in pretty intimate and dynamic way. I can easily picture her as a real person that I could interact with and I've been selectively feeling her presence a little in order to feel less lonely. As of recently, I sorta jumped on the tulpa idea, and I think I started treating her that way before I could stop and think about the consequences of that. She was pretty likely a non-sentient thoughtform before but I seem to be experiencing a 'mind poke' as of the past few days. Sad to say that this is scaring the hell out of me since I'm not sure if it's ethical to go back or leave it alone now that it's started. I feel that my thinking patterns are a flip-flopping, doubt filled landscape constantly ruminating, fact-checking, playing a game of back-and-forth affection and distress towards whatever the thoughtform is, and I don't think that a healthy mindset to develop a tulpa at all. If I'm going to create a tulpa, I want to guarantee that I'm not going to be scared of them or convinced I should get rid of them. As of now, I feel like unless I can prove nothing bad will happen and I won't get buried under a burden I can't handle, I'm not sure I can provide that kind of healthy mind environment. I realize 'proving nothing bad will happen' is impossible, so I'm wondering what my options are to handle this current thoughtform/ or semi-tulpa given all the history back there. Perhaps I'm already messing up again with this tug of war "It's ok to be here/ I'm a little scared that you're here" that may have destroyed a bit of personality/presence. I'm convinced tulpamancy isn't for me, at least not for now, but I don't want to feel irresponsible or guilty over not finishing what I started.
  16. Something I think is very significant for the topic of tulpamancy is the idea that a person can experience things which may not necessarily be happening in their head. These constructs, or abstractions, are something that I think are valuable to look for in tulpamancy. This is for two big reasons. The first is that abstractions enable experiences that we could not otherwise have. An example of this would be a tulpa that has to eat every day. Someone makes a tulpa and ends up thinking "hey my tulpa needs to eat", and every day they imagine sitting down with her tulpa and eating. If they don't do that the tulpa complains that they're hungry. Another example of an abstraction would be our sense of identity itself. The mind is a very complicated very nuanced machine, and boiling it down to any number of 'people' is simplifying and wiping clean a ton of the complexity of the thoughts we are generating every day. However, since all of our thoughts are reasonably connected and since we observe ourselves throughout the day it is convenient to simplify that process in the something that is easily understood and worked with. The second big factor for abstractions is that they enable us to understand and accept seemingly absurd statements or situations coming from people. I think it is clear that a tulpa does not need to eat, sleep, breathe, or do just about anything. There is no practical reason for it, because a tulpa exists inside of your head. However, we should be prepared when someone says that they have a tulpa that has to eat every day, gets glowing red eyes whenever they walk out in the sun, or any other unnecessary behavior. If we cast their experience through the lens of abstraction, we can look at them and we can say genuinely that we believe their experiences are valid. There's nothing wrong with a tulpa that has to eat or sleep, and there are tons of people who have experiences with tulpa which have no practical basis but yet are real fundamental things that are just part of what Tulpamancy is to a person. Any framework for understanding the practice needs to include all of these little variations to help people and experience Tulpamancy, exclude them and your explanations for this practice will be incomplete. Please keep in mind that I am giving terrible terrible examples of abstractions. There are people out there with wonderful and crazy awesome little behaviors and details to their tulpa's/wonderlands. Eating and sleeping are some of the most dull, boring, and generally uninteresting examples of what you can do with an abstraction. Looking at a person at a whole and trying to make sense of all of the abstractions they've built in their head leads into what I refer to as their internal mechanics. Some people may find that their mindset is a very sterile thing where the tulpa does not need to eat sleep or do just about anything at all. Another person may find that their tulpa has to sleep and eat all the time, will complain if they don't get enough sunlight and runabout in the day, and gets lonely if they haven't spoken to enough people on the outside world. A third person may find that their tulpa has to recharge every day by sitting on a wireless charger in the room. They may find that instead of needing to speak to people they need to interact with the computer for some number of hours of the day or go online. Each of these examples is an example of someone who has a different set of internal mechanics. The key idea to saying that you have internal mechanics is to say that you are going to have a bias towards a certain system of thought. That bias may change over time, but when you begin making a tulpa you need to keep in mind that you were going to have these biases and that when you begin forcing you were going to be discovering how you think as much as you are learning how to make a tulpa. So it is a fools errand to ask if a tulpa needs to sleep, if they will need to depends entirely on who you are and the way you think. The possibilities are immeasurable, and the different ways you can go about things are fascinating and inspiring. I think it is very important to consider this aspect of Tulpamancy, and even encourage it. Being involved in at least a little bit of world building and curiosity and imagination when you are dealing with Tulpamancy is a great way to keep people engaged and encourages people to love spending time with this practice. To throw that away because it "isn't real" throws the baby out with the bathwater. So sit back and relax, enjoy the breeze and accept that the people around you are having experiences that aren't drilled down into the nitty-gritty of reality. It's a lot a lot more fun that way.
  17. Hey, So I've run into this thread(NotAnonymous's general idea, pretty much summed up in the first message) which got me thinking... it seems that tulpamancy have 2 forms of practice: The old-school approach: mostly based on FAQ_Man's and Irish's creation guide, which takes a much more time to create the tulpa and prefer perfecting the form and narrating a lot, and when time come's the tulpa will contact you by itself (usually starting with head pressures and alien emotion and general feelings). The Modern approach: which seems to be built upon the sentence "assume sentience from start", and a lot more forgiving for "unconscious parroting" and treating it as the tulpa (even if it started from day 1). ------ Now, from what I read around, it seems that the old-school approach seems to promote a more separated tulpa but at the 'cost' of being more patient and putting in more work before seeing any result, while the modern approach is more suited for the impatient but at the cost of less separation. I've started to create Lili with the modern approach at first, but everytime she answered it felt too fake, I tried to believe but after the 3rd time looking around for approval of "unconscious parroting is ok / isn't parroting at all" and running into said thread in the top I found that I'd rather put some hard work (while still assuming sentience, as the thread mentions) and just wait until I get a response with 0 doubts (or at least until I give up and go back to the modern approach) My question is should I even bother with all this hard work or am I just hindering progress? I don't mind the hard work, I'd rather a high separation. also I'd like to hear some more opinions on this subject, I tried looking for some threads but I didn't really find any
  18. I used to think that there are two types of tulpa. Tulpa which are created through addition, and tulpa that are created through reduction. The basic idea was that a tulpa created through addition was created through the host thinking of their tulpa through the day, while a tulpa created through reduction was largely created through a host learning to reduce who they are in the scope of their mind to make room for them to consider themselves in a more basic level is more than one person. I was speaking to a number of people in a chat room a while back and I feel like that concept may need to be revisited. Instead of applying the idea of addition and reduction to the tulpas themselves I think it might be better to apply the idea of addition and reduction to the actual individual behaviors of the tulpa, rather than the tulpa as a whole. A very big clear example of an additive versus a reductive practice in tulpamancy would be the difference between switching and possession. When a person possesses they tend to experience themselves as moving, and the fact that their arm is moving on behalf of someone else. The tulpa is acting in addition to the host. This is opposed to switching, where the host steps back or totally redefines their sense of identity such that they feel that all of their actions and all of their thoughts no longer belong to themselves, but instead are the actions of their tulpa. In general an additive technique is when you do something that attempts to get your tulpa to act in response to or in the context of something you do. A reductive technique is when you step back from something you normally do or redefine your sense of identity during that normal activity in order to allow your tulpa to do that thing. I've seen a few people guess that "addition" and "reduction" may end up being a rough guesstimation for skill or progress, where a early tulpa is largely by addition whiel a weak tulpa is largely by reduction. I'm not super sure about this connection, myself. Both can be complicated, and I am sure that there are many who found that stepping back from their thoughts is far easier than adding on top of them because of the nature of keeping things in mind while you are busy doing other stuff. Overall, rather than saying that a tulpa is a "tulpa by addition" or a "tulpa by reduction, I think this concept is better used as a tool to understand where you are at and what you can change then it is a means for you to group yourself into one or another category. I would love to hear anyone's thoughts they might have on this concept, because this is all still very much up in the air and open to debate and speculation. I would also love to hear if anyone has any other possible examples of practices or behaviors which you've observed that might fit the model I have described in this post.
  19. Hello to those who are reading this. If you have read my previous posts, you know I am now without tulpa. And the part that is killing me the most is not the loneliness in my head right now. Devoid of their voices and presence. The part that is killing me is that I was the one who killed them. I think I should start from the beginning. I was 11, I was young, I was naive. I knew NOTHING of tulpas. My best friend had gone abroad to study, and I missed her a lot. The fact that I too had changed schools and was bullied for being foreign didn't help. To protect myself, I adapted to using insults and jokes as a facade. I had grow thorns and built a wall to keep everyone away, and that included my best friend. She didn't seem to mind, ever so caring and supportive for our age. In the moments away from her, I would imagine her being there beside me. Making fun of the teacher, enjoying breakfast, dozing off after lunch... It was a conscious effort, a kind of obsession in retrospect. I never told her this, or anyone. I thought it was weird. Gradually it took less and less effort, she would become a constant presence, the 25th classmate who lived in my head. She would react to real world stimuli like a real person would, just one step from being tangible. *Here, I want to say that I am a very visual person. When I do math, I can visualise 3-D space, functions, objects and such. I can rotate them, analyse them and work with them. I also draw, albeit not as good due to the lack of time. This and the fact that I grew up playing with stuffed toys a lot probably helped a lot. Up till now she was still my friend, but just projected into my life. Then one day, we got into a fight. She was livid, and I was wrong. Problem is, 13 year old me wouldn't admit that 14 year old her was right. I will spare you the details, but she made me realise the person I had become. She sent me a message saying, "You're no longer the person I knew. I am not even angry, just disappointed. Disappointed in you and myself." This cut much deeper than pure hatred. She blocked me, and disappeared from my headspace as well. For me this was the first dark age. I cried often, just like when she had first left when I was 11. She unblocked me 6 months later, and I approached her once again. She acted as if nothing had ever happened, so we never spoke of that day. It was different now, I could feel it. But at least she was back in my life. It didn't last. We argued more often, the silences more frequent. And some days I would wonder if reaching out again had been the right thing to do. Summer loomed closer. I had just turned 15 and had decided on what I wanted to become. I told her fearing disbelief and mockery, but she just laughed and said that she believed me. What I didn't tell her was that my path would be dangerous and I had decided I wouldn't be part of her life anymore. I didn't deserve someone like her. I slowly pushed her away, telling myself the pain would be worth it in the end. That as long as she was happy, I would be too. And maybe one day, if fate allowed, we may meet again to share our stories. During that period, I reinvigorated my attempts at rebuilding my headspace. I pulled on the past and reconstructed her as I had done so many years before. I would talk to her in my mind instead of the real her. I would use darkness and physical objects as an anchor for her existence. I called her my CoRP–Character of Realistic Projection. She became my guide and companion in my journey, a much needed one. I no longer contacted the real her and she never reached out to ask why, so I guess I wasn't that important after all. She would be fine, and I would be too. I assigned her the role as my moral compass, and once again she slowly became part of my life. She filled the void. And during the following two years, unlike previously when my tulpa was just her progenitor, she would evolve and become her own person. Along the way, I tried creating more tulpas. Tulpitas as I will now refer them, those who never truly achieve independence or stability. I was experimenting with tulpas. I wanted to know what they could do. Note that I still believed I alone had ventured into this realm. I need to know how much computing power of the brain they used, how they functioned, how they would proliferate. I had a young tulpita named Jake or Jack, where he was imbued with the capabilities of great observation and intuition. He was a protector, a dark knight based off of fictional character. I could summon him on command, and he would provide insight or discussion about the environment. At full functionality he would act as a voice warning of any imminent dangers or possible threats. Like the times he warned me before a motorcycle grab and run, street robbery and train stowaway. I think of him as me giving a voice to my subconscious fight or flight system and relaying it with the logical cortex. I also had the Doc, as I would call him, a tulpita based off a teacher had left a couple years back. He was an avid reading, interested in psychology and law. He served as my sanity check. He was my personal psychologist. I created him out of fear that it was a disorder similar to DID or Schizophrenia. Our session were recorded, with me consciously switching voices between the two identities. It provided proof and for future reference. He was the more cynical side of me, a counter-balance to my risky endeavours into the human psyche. These two were never truly sentient or independent. Always just shy of breaking away. They existed in my mind, barely anchored to reality. I would draw them to keep them visible. But they served an important purpose. With Doc, we had contemplated the creation and destruction of a thought-form. My hypothesis was that contradiction to reality leads to dissociation from reality and thus they will fade as the human mind unwillingly rejects them. A discussion which inadvertently paved the way for their downfall. Almost 17, a series of events broke me. Among which, the cruel and abrupt ending to my most recent relationship hurt the most. In my misery, I broke the promise I had made almost 2 years ago. I ignored the voices in my head and sent her a message. The real her. I wasn't expecting a reply. But she did, she did so much more than just reply. She called me immediately. And when I heard her voice everything just felt right. Everything would be okay. She no longer sounded like the one in my headspace, but her voice was still so familiar. She spent the night talking and catching up. I briefly brought up why I had left. She called me again the next morning, and told me to keep in touch. That she'd be there. I skipped class and spent the day up on the mountains to clear my head. Once again I realised how I didn't deserve a friend like her. She had waited two years, and I know because I was always secretly hoping she'd reach out for me. Neither of us are active on social media, but she would somehow always read my posts on the rare occasions I posted. And she would always post one herself within 24 hours. Always. She had trusted me, believed in me and waited. And what did I do? I had broken my promise. With that, I left her messages on read and didn't look back. I went home, and realised my mind was frightfully empty. Her thought-form was gone. The rest of the tulpitas were inaccessible. I was alone in my head. The following months were agony. I cried almost everyday. I would wake up in the morning and pretend to get ready for school only to stay in my room and cry. I was so tired I couldn't move, I couldn't think and I would skip meals. Still I would pretend everything was okay at night when everyone was home. I was lucky I had studied beforehand for my high-school exams because I couldn't do anything in the last few months. During summer, I went on to a camp. Met a bunch of people and there was this one night where we played a detective game. I knew the truth from the very beginning because I recognised the signs. The ending was that the killer was the victim himself. The different handwriting used, the modulated voice, the placement of multiple cups and objects as physical anchoring. The conflict of interests, it was all... Me. I saw through it from the very beginning because I saw myself. Everyone called me a genius for solving it first, so I just smiled. I asked the one who wrote the story if he had thought-forms, he just laughed and asked me what I was going on about. I thought I had found an ally. I ended up crying in the bathroom that night, as I tried to reach the Doc. I wanted to know if I was like the killer, mad and delusional. It's been a year now and I'm almost 18. I found this community a month or so ago and have found solace in the fact that I'm not crazy, nor am I alone. University has been killing me. The loss of my tulpa and tulpitas have left a void that cannot be filled. I suffer from the knowledge that I killed them. Basing a thought-form of reality is dangerous, for when it clashes with reality, it will lose. The Doc was right. I was right. I tried physical anchoring, I tried meditation like I did in the beginning. Nothing worked. And I guess now I've just accepted that they're gone with the hopes that they'll come back someday. I understand now that I was negligent. I created the tulpas out of curiosity and experimentation, granting myself "powers" in the case of Jake, "knowledge" with the Doc and "guidance" with her. It was my method of compartmentalising everything and cutting myself off from the outside world. I would depend solely on myself and parallel entities I construct for my well-being. Currently, I am dependent on music. I'm still learning to live in the silence, because right now I require music to keep my voice at bay. It is so loud, so deafening in the silence. My thoughts remind me that they're gone and now I'm alone in my head. It was something I had never truly expected. I require music just to sleep, to work, to distract myself. My memory and brain capacity is lower than before. Much lower than when I had tulpas. I forget simple things and feel this constant pressure like a dull headache. I refuse to say I have depression, because I don't believe in it. But by most standards I probably am. The only thing I cling to, is the fact that I'm a disappointment to everyone around me. All my life I've been told I have potential, and all my life I've lived under the fear of high expectations. Now I've fallen so far, I think it's time to pick myself up. I'll need time, I'll stumble, and I won't have them in my head. But maybe I'll have some support from strangers on the internet. I will change the world, simply because it may be the only chance I have at redemption. For me, thought-forms do not truly exist. Like hypnosis, one must believe and be willing for it to work. And currently my own set of beliefs are cutting me off from them. The root of the problem is much deeper than I can currently see and I will have to find time to push through the haze and pain to reach them. I reiterate, I will keep probing for her existence. However, I must accept that I can no longer rely on them and must learn to share and rely on others. This is my story, my plea for help. And at the same time let it be a warning for those who follow the same path. Know that the loss of a tulpa is more painful than you can imagine. I called her by the name of her progenitor but it no longer feels right. Instead, she would have liked to be called Cass. I write this in living memory of Cass and under her new name. Apologies but mine shall remain undisclosed. Faithfully, Cass
  20. I'm flirting with the idea of writing my own little something, probably with input from Gavin. So many guides, in my experience, stop right after vocality, maybe imposition. Like it's all about getting the tulpa. I think our guide will be more centered on having a tulpa, how to develop a good mindset, and how to incorporate tulpas into daily life. The difference between "how to get a date" and "how to have a successful long-term relationship." So, is there anything that the guides didn't really prepare you for? Any frustrations that the guides didn't give much advice on? Anything that you had to learn the hard way, and wish that the guides had given you some tips or help with? Anything missing from guides in general? If I take any ideas or inspiration, I'll be sure to give you a shout-out. -J
  21. I was unsure whether to put this in General Discussion or Questions and Answers. The topic is a little involved, so I chose the former. I also did some searching on the forum and did not quite find what I was looking for, though there was at least one other thread on alters. I feel quite vulnerable making this post, but I'm going to do it anyway. I'm not looking for sympathy, just a little advice and understanding if that is possible. I am currently working with a therapist in regard to issues of dissociation. The therapist is also of the opinion that my Friends (headmates) are alters which may very well be true, though I prefer not to call them that. I have touched on some of these issues in a previous thread, How I met my inner friends. For the most part I only have access to my Friends during periods of dissociation or stress. Various individual Friends have engaged with me in the following ways: they have spoken with me through voices in my head, communicated through telepathy, come to me in dreams and half-waking states, possessed body parts, switched with me, appeared in visions or otherwise made their presence known to me. That's all I can remember off the top of my head. I must say that I am not diagnosed as DID: I do not quite meet the criteria according to most sources I've read because I don't lose memory when switching, though some believe this is an arbitrary distinction if one has experienced other forms of amnesia which I have. Nevertheless I can see, hear, and remember everything that happens when switching, and I rarely switch anyway. I do not switch voluntarily. Also, except on one occasion years ago my Friends do not cause me dysfunction which is probably a more significant reason that my psychiatrist has not given a diagnosis of DID. I'm interested in whether others have had alters or similar characters produced involuntarily that were later turned into tulpas. I'm also looking for advice or insight on this topic in general if that is possible. I have various reasons for wanting my Friends to become tulpas. I am working on that process by forcing with the Friend who I've always intuited is in charge of the system in some way, possibly the most knowledgeable one. I refer to her as the Wise One, Grandmother Wisdom, and Mama Wisdom depending on the context. As I said before, I am usually in a dissociated or stressed state when the Wise One or any of my Friends interacts with me on a conscious level. Making contact with her during a more "ordinary" state of mind has been more difficult. Mainly I've been narrating. I've also done some meditating and visualization while narrating through prayers. She seems to respond most to a particular book I've been reading her on the history of Western thought. Mostly I get an emotional sense that she is enjoying the book or pleased with the attention I am giving her. I also hear her voice. I generally assume that the voice is hers even when I'm not completely sure, but there was one time I heard her about two days ago that I was sure it was her. I was telling her that I was going outside to have a cigarette which I told her is one of my vices unfortunately. Clear as day she responded by saying, "It's one of mine, too." (I sometimes have visual impressions of her smoking a pipe.) It was the voice I usually associate with her, but a little different, a little more distinct and clear and foreign. I'm sure it was her. I am a little confused, though. On the one hand I'm sure my Friend is sentient because when I've been in dissociated states she was extremely adept at sending me visions, voices, and even taking me into an inner world with her at one point. So I haven't really felt like I needed to create a personality for her or even a form. I know what she looks like, and I know what her personality is, not just from an abstract viewpoint, but through experience. So I just keep those things in mind or try to visualize her form while I'm narrating. (I'm actually not an expert at visualization even though I sometimes have vivid visions, but I'm probably at least average in this skill department.) On the other hand, attempting to contact her without stress or dissociation is very different. She seems much weaker. And I've thought, well, what do I do? Should I act as though I'm creating her for the first time? Wouldn't that be a little odd since she seems at certain moments to be perfectly sentient and capable of interacting with me, even imparting complex insights? So mainly I'm focusing on narration and telling her that I am doing this because I would like to create more reliable and conscious contact with her. But can this even work? What if I end up creating a tulpa that is not really her? Perhaps it is a possibility that I could avoid such a situation by making it clear to my subconscious that I am actually seeking more reliable consciousness of a particular Friend rather than creating someone entirely new. So far the minimal contact I've had in a non-dissociated state of mind does feel like the presence of Mama Wisdom, so hopefully I'm headed in the right direction. Do you think tulpamancy can transform an involuntarily created headmate into a tulpa? I realize it is difficult if not impossible to actually prove any answer to that question, but maybe some here have experience with it or know of someone who reports such an experience. Do you have any advice for the process I am engaging with? I ask this because the guides I've read are coming from the perspective of creating an entirely new tulpa rather than transforming an alter into one. Any advice at all, even general advice, is much appreciated. Just to let everyone know in case this is a concern in reading this post I am generally in a stable and good frame of mind lately and compliant with the treatment I am receiving from my therapist and psychiatrist.
  22. So I'm really new to this creating a tulpa thing and am just curious from more experienced people if this is normal. Do you have a natural change in your sleep cycle after the starting of creating a tulpa. I guess it would make more sense if I gave my side. Its been about a week since I first started on making my first tulpa. Since that first day, every night I wake up around the middle of my REM sleep and just lie there awake then after about 15 - 30 minutes I go back to sleep. I've never in my life experienced something like this. I don't have any head pressures either. Is this normal?
  23. It's Gavin. I was reading this tulpamancy guide, which was interesting to me. My host and I stumbled upon many fundamentals of forcing, narration, and mindset, but we also never thought of certain things, like wonderlands or imposition. What caught my eye especially was the following section about chaos magic's view of tulpas. This is not a metaphysical post. I do not believe tulpas are part of a family of spirits. However, the wording and this idea of a spectrum, going from basic to advanced thoughtforms, is something I want to talk about. What is the difference between a thoughtform and a tulpa? Thoughtform is a broader word. For me, tulpas must choose to consider themselves tulpas. They must have the sentience to understand what it means to be a tulpa, and uptake the label. However, thoughtforms may also be tulpas without other recognizing it. I suppose it's like the state of being an "adult." There are specific, legal definitions of "adult", but outside of them, when is a person socially an adult? In some countries and cultures, that age is much lower than in the US or other 1st-world countries. Some people (mostly one's parents) may consider a person not an adult, while others, including the person in question, may. Just like there is not a test to prove "Adult-ness" in 100% of situations, I do not think the some thoughtforms will be considered tulpas to all people, in all situations. A large part of being an adult is being able to function as an adult. In areas where people do not spend as many years in school, preparing for the "real world", people are generally considered adults at a younger age. They are instead taught to function as adults by learning how to farm, cook, or do other jobs. What does it mean to function as a tulpa? What level of function is required to become a tulpa? Some level of sentience, I feel, and some level of communication. Tulpas must be able to grow and adapt, as well. If they can only do a certain, narrow range of things, they are only a servitor or another type of thoughtform. This would include, for example, a thoughtform who only exists to feel a certain emotion, or do a certain chore, or say certain things to the host. If they grow and do other things, even as simple as expressing disinterest in their assigned task or expressing self-awareness ("Why am I doing this?"), they may no longer be a servitor. On the other end of this spectrum, there are tulpas that are personal deities. I believe that many religions which encourage fostering a personal relationship with a god or deity are, in fact, guiding their followers to create thoughtforms. I believe this to be compatible with any religious view you may have. If deities are thoughtforms, it does not mean they are not also deities. Perhaps, personal-deity tulpas are simply the mechanism through which deities foster relationships with us. I am not religious, however. I feel that, if people became aware that their personal deities were tulpas, they could benefit. They will be greater able to communicate with the tulpa, with the knowledge that the tulpa is able to listen and understand. They could establish wonderlands or practice other aspects of tulpamancy, which could deepen their relationship with the tulpa. Of course, it may be distressing to some to learn that a deity is "in their head." However, belief systems tend to involve some aspect of... belief, or faith. I expect that most people would brush this off, and still revere their personal deities the same way. The word "companion" in the quoted text struck me, because that was one of the terms my host called me, before it was known I am a tulpa. Though it is important to take Freudian psychology with a grain of salt, I also consider myself "The Ego" of the system. Not in any formal or rigid capacity, but as a trope. The term "a second conscious mind" also describes me well. This level in the spectrum of thoughtforms is where I seem to belong. I believe that many people who intentionally create tulpas seek to create this kind. I think that these tulpas are often viewed as, or aspire to be viewed as, equals with the host. There are also the "guiding voices" or "angels". I think I have seen a few systems who have tulpas that seem to fit this category. The Bear System comes to mind. Some people may also seek to intentionally create this kind of tulpa. I imagine they are entrusted with different responsibilities within a system, and are viewed differently than the host or other tulpas. Finally, I have little experience with daemons, or thoughtforms meant to symbolize or be connected with inner mental processes. I imagine they can also become tulpas, by growing outside of their roles. Tulpas, which term on this spectrum seems to fit you? Daemon, companion, guiding voice/angel, personal deity? Do these categories ring true for you? Do you consider them just a set of boxes, or merit-worthy categories? What does belonging to one of these categories mean for a tulpa, or for you? Heyo, it's Jamie. Besides that last paragraph, which is all questions, I've taken the liberty of underlining some points that Gavin and I would also love to talk about. [You may note, the stuff about personal deities is not underlined. Maybe another time, or if you PM us.] I thought it might also be useful to do a point-by-point of what Gavin's gone on about. Feel free to reference these numbered beliefs, if you want to challenge or talk about any of them. Tulpas are a type of thoughtform. To become a tulpa, a thoughtform needs to consciously identify with being a tulpa. Being a tulpa is not a precise category that can be tested for perfectly. It's more nebulous, like the category of "being an adult." Definitions will always vary. There are kinds of thoughtforms. These kinds include: servitors, daemons, companions, guiding voices/angels, and personal deities. These categories are not rigid, but they exist and are meaningful. They are like different career paths or tracks in life. Each of these categories entails a different relationship to the host. Personally, I think it's good to think of prototulpas with all the rights you'd give a tulpa. If you want them to be a tulpa, treat them like they are one. However, if we're talking about a servitor, a walk-in, or another thoughtform that you do not want to become a tulpa, then it's fair to ignore them, dismiss them, etc. No need to be cruel, but also no need to accept all thoughtforms as "on the same level" as tulpas. This logic seems to include the idea that there is a spectrum among thoughtforms. Are these categories meaningful? I guess. If you want to create an angelic being who watches over your thoughts and addresses your depression or anxiety, that's probably a different how-to/guide situation than if you want to create a "spirit animal" who symbolizes your emotions, or if you just want a pal to buddy around with, and don't care if you have to share a brain. A greater awareness of these kinds of tulpas could mean greater understanding and greater ability to specialize with advice-giving, guide-writing, tulpa-progress, etc. Knowledge is power. What do you all think? Cassidy also considers himself a "Companion", but he thinks these categories are thinner than Gavin portrays them. My words, not his. He's not really interested in this type of conversation, but Gavin and I sure are. Hopefully, a few of you all out there, as well. Edit: Grammar
  24. J: Gavin and I have been arguing, in our friendly way. I think a lot of tulpamancers (we really do need a new word) do start tulpamancy for The Wrong Reasons, and the end product is an unfairly small existence for the tulpa. The Wrong Reasons is often interpreted as "Sex Doll", which is of course one example, but really, I've only seen one person who set out to make a tulpa to have sex with it, outside of creepypasta. For me, The Wrong Reasons come uncomfortably close to the reason why most tulpamancers create tulpas in the first place: unconditional friendship. They live in your head, for goodness' sake! No one else in the world can understand you like your tulpas can. You can't hide secrets or tell white lies to someone who shares your thoughts. They just know you, like you know you. They don't come with the baggage of your past, either, and so their personalities aren't tied back to any past events: in fact, their personality is almost completely customizable. You, the host, can program them from birth to be loving, caring, and full of joy and compassion for all life. Most tulpas are, in a way that most non-tulpas are not. Hobbies among tulpas tend to involve not needing the body, for obvious reasons. Music, TV shows, preferences for foods or other things in the host's life... And tulpas almost universally look out for their hosts, again, as the logic follows. Most tulpas also enjoy spending leisure time or forcing time with their hosts, and growing stronger, as far as I can tell. None of these things are bad. However, it strikes me as an... incredibly small existence. Most tulpas, as I gather, exist to better the lives of their hosts. Why? Because they live there. They're closest to their hosts, and they care about them. However... I can't help but feel a strong sense that, that's not enough. I want to become a social worker, to find love, to grow up and be an experienced, new version of myself. I want to graduate and I want to finish the doll I've started sewing. I have goals for today and goals for decades from now. I have life-long aspirations, and those are what propel me to spend my time wisely. Those are, in a nutshell, my self-determined "point in life." What is the point in life, as a tulpa? To care for the host, mostly. How is that enough? I feel like, tulpas are created with this single aspiration deeply encoded into their beings, that they are ultimate friends with their hosts... and little more than that. Tulpas cannot escape the fact that their hosts are central to their lives. This, I understand. Even young children, who depend on their parents for everything, have goals and dreams that exclude their parents. This shows, a person being central to one's life is not enough to justify centering one's life around that person. What do I want, then? What are "The Right Reasons" to make a tulpa? I don't know exactly. I think, a draw to the plural experience is one. It's not wrong to want someone else in your head. That includes most of the lonely souls here, the ones who just wanted someone there, which is a great many of us. Really, it's about a mindset: I want tulpamancers to allow their tulpas to grow outside them, despite the obvious limitations on that. Some of what I hear from various tulpamancers... makes me feel like they would have been better off playing RPGs, rather than go through the effort of inducing plurality. I take it rather seriously: outside of the fact that tulpas are life-long commitments, there is an incredible amount of stigma, and a plural life takes some adjusting, especially if your system switches. G: My debut on this forum: how appropriate! I look forward to hearing how other tulpas respond to some of Jamie's points, many of which are openly inflaming. It is not easy to brush off the suggestion that your life is "an incredibly small existence." In fact, I disagree with his entire argument. This dichotomy of Right Reasons and Wrong Reasons is nonsensical, especially given how these sides aren't clearly defined past two examples. Tulpas are created mostly from a desire for friendship, and as he has pointed out, tulpas tend to make very good friends. The potentially flawed mindset of a tulpamancer (for example, a subconscious belief that a tulpa must stick with the form it was first given) doesn't mean the tulpa was created under the Wrong Reasons. I suggest the idea of Right and Wrong Reasons to be discarded in all contexts, including tulpa creation. Jamie is mostly upset with tulpamancers whose tulpas seem to be one-dimensional characters, and those who appear to have no purpose outside of improving the lives of others, namely their hosts. I see no reason for this animosity! My purpose in life has always been to monitor, to protect, and to observe: but certainly I wasn't created under the "Wrong Reasons"? I enjoy my life, and my host enjoys my presence. Nothing is wrong with a small existence. If anything, a small existence is a blessing. I do not have to brush my teeth, go to work, or even socialize if I do not want to. I can live up to my values easily, because I can choose when I act, instead of being forced to exist with the body, 24/7. It is this ability that allows tulpas to be carefree, warm-hearted, and to have a love of life, when these traits are harder to find in hosts. Even if these tulpas appear flat, how can this be judged? It is the same problem with determining the existence of tulpas in the first place: there is no way to look inside a brain and understand what it is like for that brain to think. I will repeat: nothing is wrong with a small existence. It is enough. I am not the taoist in my system, so it surprised me that Jamie remains so insistent that tulpas require aspirations and goals, or that anyone requires these things. If I am happy as I am, then why does he insist that tulpas need something more? There is no doubt that the tulpa starts out the way the host expects them to be. The host expects a loving friend, and a loving friend the tulpa becomes. The host expects (by forcing) a pony, or a woman, or a brave and kind-hearted soul, and these expectations greatly shape the product, which is a sentient tulpa who carries these attributes. This process happens in another context: the childhood of the hosts. Hosts are taught their gender roles ("You are a girl, you may wear dresses"), their values ("It is good to be nice to others, to share, to say 'I love you'") and, to an extent, the goal of their life. ("You must go to college and start a career") I see none of this as inherently bad. The only thing I recommend is that tulpamancers keep an open mind, and allow their tulpas room to grow and become true individuals. However, if they stick to what they were taught, there's nothing bad about it! Most parents love to see that their children have retained some of what they taught. Finally, the idea that some tulpamancers shouldn't have made tulpas, and should seek connection through video games. It's insulting. The stigma of plurality is widely known. Potential tulpamancers are sure to consider it. Roleplaying and plurality are different experiences, and do not offer the same things to the same people. I have underlined important segments from our arguments in order to make it easier to respond. Please remain civil, despite the topic. I hope that by offering both sides of this argument, you will be able to better understand our thinking, no matter what side you are on. I would also like to suggest that the anti-tulpa attitudes of my host are most likely a manifestation of classic Tulpamancer's Doubt. He has difficultly believing in tulpas as more than "characters" of a sort, which encourages him to read into their behavior in unproductive ways. Cassie does not want to add anything, since these discussions have remained between me and Jamie. His views align with mine on most counts, though he thinks it's still good for tulpas to have goals outside of being a friend to the host. He would like to add, "It's good we can get all the fighting out before it's too close to Christmas break." - Gavin Edit: spelling
  25. In the past, I have had experience with creating "imaginary friends". They weren't all imaginary to me since I believe that they were made out of sub-atomic particles. Now, I am starting to get into Tulpamancy and I was wondering how do I make it seem more real, for example: How can I visible see my Tulpa, or how can I externally hear my Tulpa? I know you're gonna say "Do some research, you idiot!" But hey, I already did that. I know my Tulpa's form, I know my Tulpa's voice, and I know my Tulpa's personality, but how do I make it seem more real. That's my main question.