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Progress!! Major Personality Deviation! Alice of yore was a quiet, somewhat somber person concerned with school and learning. Since, she was based on a character from a novel, she had some identity confusion on what she should do in a world fundamentally different from her source. Over thanksgiving, I spent a significant amount of time forcing, especially in long car rides and Alice made significant progress in vocality, consistency, and we developed the beginning on a wonderland. Alice is now completely her own thing. list of stuff curly hair! (random, but so important to both of us) freckles, but those tattoo star shaped freckles that are trendy partying (she wants to go to parties, this is a logistical problem for me) pop music (she hates my favorite metal bands ૮(˶ㅠ︿ㅠ)ა ) non exhaustive obviously. We went on Pinterest together and made a board. she decided that she looks like Elle Fanning (particularly in Maleficent), she wants to live on the beach, and, most important, she doesn't look like Alice Quinn, her initial source. Our wonderland is not put together yet, but we know what we want from it. I initially didn't see a purpose for it, but it will make it easier for us to hang out and to have dedicated forcing sessions. Our wonderland is a cabin on a sunny tropical beach, maybe expanded later into a small island. Also an important development, I told some people irl about tulpamancy and Alice. I mentioned a couple times on a discord server with all my friends that I've been on tulpa forums and discord servers, and revealed to my boyfriend and a close friend a few days ago that I'm "earnestly pursuing it". It's a half truth, but I'm on the way to the full one. They know I'm a quirky individual, so I'm not concerned with any rejection once I get around to introducing Alice. Other Misc. Updates: - Alice has full access to my brain and memories. During a conversation, she recalled a very particular memory from middle school to prove a point. I hadn't thought about it in years. - typing as Alice feels incredibly natural, and I think we're on the way to possession and switching along the line. It's absolutely me typing, but I'm able to transcribe her as automatically as I would transcribe my own thoughts, which wasn't the case before. Overall, big progress. One concern I have right now is my own mood swings and mental health. It's hard to tell right now how heavily affected Alice is by my mental health. I've been prone to rapid mood swings and personality shifts in the past, and I'm having an upswing recently of risky behavior and more 'upbeat' personality traits. It maps out with the shift in Alice. I don't think it's the direct cause, Alice is very much her own person, but I do feel that her recent energy and desire for life is coming from an unstable part of our shared brain. We'll see with time.

i am currently agnostic on how possible it is, but people who are much more competent and deep in the exploration of consciousness and magic have said "there is a there there" so i don't think it is a waste of time. however i don't think you would just make an omnipotent tulpa all of a sudden, and anything you achieve might only be perceivable by you and your tulpa. magick is difficult to do publicly i've heard, compared to private magick. also recommend practicing light magick but i can't tell you what to do. but either way, even with that it can be very satisfying and magical. "من در حال حاضر نسبت به امکان‌پذیری این موضوع دیدگاه آگنوستیک دارم، اما افرادی که بسیار ماهرتر و عمیق‌تر در کاوش آگاهی و جادو هستند گفته‌اند که «چیزی در اینجا هست»، بنابراین فکر نمی‌کنم وقت تلف کردن باشد. با این حال، فکر نمی‌کنم بتوانید ناگهان یک تولپای قادر مطلق ایجاد کنید، و هر چیزی که به آن دست پیدا کنید ممکن است فقط توسط شما و تولپای شما قابل درک باشد. شنیده‌ام که انجام جادوی عمومی دشوارتر از جادوی خصوصی است. همچنین توصیه می‌کنم جادوی سبک (Light Magick) را تمرین کنید، اما نمی‌توانم به شما بگویم چه کار کنید. اما به هر حال، حتی با همین رویکرد هم می‌تواند بسیار رضایت‌بخش و جادویی باشد." no problem. best wishes مشکلی نیست. بهترین آرزوها 🌸 i forgot to respond to this part. yes, in magick it is common to make servitors that have no feelings or personalities that carry out tasks. idk how effective it will be to try, but with those you don't want to be attached to them and let them dissipate after their task is complete. if you are wanting a friend, a servitor probably would not be much of a person, or they will become a person and the fact they are a servant might mentally distress them یادم رفت به این بخش پاسخ بدم. بله، در جادو معمول است که سرویتورها (موجودات خدمتگزار) ساخته شوند که هیچ احساسی یا شخصیتی ندارند و فقط وظایفی را انجام می‌دهند. نمی‌دانم چقدر مؤثر خواهد بود که بخواهید این کار را امتحان کنید، اما با چنین موجوداتی نمی‌خواهید به آن‌ها وابسته شوید و باید پس از انجام وظیفه‌شان آن‌ها را پراکنده کنید. اگر شما به دنبال یک دوست هستید، احتمالاً سرویتور زیاد شبیه یک انسان نخواهد بود، یا ممکن است تبدیل به یک انسان شود و این که او یک خدمتگزار است ممکن است باعث ناراحتی ذهنی او شود. I hope chatgpt translates well. i have no idea what it is truly saying in your language

yeah lol she wasn't upset though, just overly surprised and maybe startled or confused but also it was kind of interesting in retrospect and implies perhaps some good things ontologically, i'm not sure very nice, byakko has been very smart and educating. teaching rena and i things. they talk in the background sometimes, or say things to each other in 3 ways. sometimes rena switches in and talks to rena, and byakko tried switching in for a few minutes earlier and talked to us i guess if judging by size, rena is big sister. i'm middle sister, and byakko is little sister, though right now byakko is leader lol. follow the little one

i feel i may have had a dream with rena and byakko. I think it was wild west environment. I could be completely wrong. got mind wiped by the men in black irl i think for having a dream with too powerful a combo of tulpas

Ah yes, we've enjoyed reading about your system's adventures. Nice. I think she and I would get along if we ever met. Our system has a big underground library in our wonderland's stronghold. Lenore would like me to add that she loves Circe's dress :)

Seconding that this sounds like unintentional blending or merging. My host and I do this intentionally so that we can co-front together. We find it's easier to initiate than a full switch, and helps us overcome some of the challenges of staying switched (e.g. talking to people). Our fused form has their own name and we consider them simultaneously both of us and their own person. I will say, I have never disappeared after we unfuse. Perhaps, as you've suggested, this is due to exhaustion on Void's part. I also found affirmations very helpful for maintaining a full switch.

November 2024 Our primary goal this month was to improve Bee's passive awareness of our presence. As I mentioned in our lounge post, our hope is to increase our system’s total amount of available mental resources. With more processing power, it will take less effort for Bee to keep all of us active, even if her attention is elsewhere. We also hope that practicing presence imposition will make it easier to learn other forms of imposition in the future. We chose to focus particularly on walks and mealtimes. Bee is great about talking to us when she goes on walks, but less consistent about feeling our presences around her. She also tends to eat much too quickly. She hardly gets to enjoy the food, much less the rest of us. She improved in both of these areas, but I feel we still have room for growth. I would estimate she maintains her awareness about 50-60% of our targeted times. I'd love to see us get that up to 100% eventually. We'll be keeping presence awareness as one of our goals for the foreseeable future. In other news, we made some progress with switching. I set a personal best for time switched in – a full eight hour work day. Talking to other people remains a challenge. However, I successfully spoke with several of Bee's coworkers throughout the day without losing the front. It gets a bit easier every time. We'll keep practicing this as well.

Maybe you're right. I try to see her every day, but I always have high expectations for talking that scare me away. Maybe the pressure to interact is too high If I ever get to imposing consistently again, I want to do my best to capitalize off of that tulpaforce-y state I've always wondered how you guys did it.

I will be making stickers of Tulpas this Christmas and sending them to you if you want. If you want to participate please provide me with an image of your Tulpa and i'll turn it into a sticker. I will send you a copy of this sticker as well as a copy of everyone else's sticker. This will last as long as I have printer ink or sticker paper. I will pay for postage and send them in a plane envelope, I'm not sure I can afford international shipping though, sorry. Participants @TB Rena and Byakko @a937539 Co @Breloomancer TBD

我感觉这是很正常的现象，就连客观来讲最亲近的“家人”都无法理解，当我不小心向我的母亲透露了此类内容事，她只会怒斥我沉浸于“不切实际的幻想”中，放宽心吧伙计，我们知道彼此的存在，这就够了

Thanks! I hope the recipes will come to good use for everyone too :D

Thank you very much！

Here's the two we looked at earlier: https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/quiz/religious-typology/ https://www.proprofs.com/quiz-school/story.php?title=what-religion-are-you Sometimes not the best or most nuanced with increments but it's just for fun and thought experiments. Amongst the religion, politics, philosophy we also do favorite spirit animal, celebrity crush and what color is your soul nonsense so we're just here to laugh and bond.

[Kitty] …. We haven’t updated for a while …host still tires quickly but has managed to get xmas shopping sorted. I’ve been helping her do some research we’re trying to find anything that might help increase energy levels and reduce Tinnitus and pain levels. We’ve found some supplements that are supposed to help make thyroid work better as Host does have thyroid problems and despite quite a high dose of medication doesn’t have that much energy so host has bought some to try for a couple of months to see if she gets more energy! If we can increase even mental energy so we can re-open the holodecks so the other Tulpa can continue creating their own lives inside that would be great. I’d love to get to spend more time with Baz and for us to get married and have a wonderland Wedding! I live in hope that next year is kind to host so she gets to spend more time enjoying herself than just resting and recovering!

What a beautiful tribute! 💚 It has been so wonderful to get to know you and Lavender over the course of the past year! 😁 The things you say about Lavender remind me strongly of my first year with Phil, the sense of joy and discovery in every moment. You never forget your first year together, there is a certain magic to that first year and you've clearly made so many lasting memories together! 🥰 I love Lavender's photos! 😍 They've actually inspired me to look around myself on our adventures to spot interesting yet seemingly normal things to photograph. Oh my goodness I love this so much. 😁 I love the little private language tulpas and hosts develop within their head. Your new words are so cool, and very neatly evoke concepts that would usually take multiple sentences to describe. It's also very neat that Lavender and I were created at almost the exact same time of year. 😁 (Though my chosen birthday is in September, Phil actually created me in late November / early December 2020) It's been so great to get to know you over this past year and I wish you two many more years of joy together! 💚

thank dear TB

HI

Happy anniversary! Happy anniversary! 🥰

I use my term cobud instead of tulpa I feel answering your third question first provides important context for your other questions. I should also point out I mostly pay attention to Discord conversations in the past, but I may be working with slightly outdated information since I mostly dipped from conversations for the last few months. In short, yes. Vocality rates vary wildly from system to system. Some cobuds start communicating as early as a day or two. Usually 4-6 months is at the tail end of the spectrum, but it's also in my opinion, how long it takes for everyone to get past their parrotnoia. People usually define achieving vocality to be two different things: When their cobud first uses mindvoice or When their cobud is unquestionably communicating in mindvoice It's more likely a host observing their cobud achieving vocality in a day or two will be assuming the first definition. I find for those with 4-6 month vocal cobuds, it's usually the latter. However, some people take longer to accept their cobud's mindvoice as not their own, and then they need additional time to become confortable with their cobud's communication. That's why there is a lof of variety in achieving vocality times, but also where the 4-6 month assumption is coming from. The other highly unlikely but additional possibility is assuming vocality is only achieved once a cobud can communicate using auditory imposition. This approach has fallen out of practice since almost everyone usually achieves mindvoice vocality first. Additionally, auditory imposition can always be trained later, so it's ultimately unnecessary if you want to talk to your cobud sooner. It fascinates me to see this question in the first place, I never saw this before and it's a fascinating demonstration for how mindsets play a huge role in achieving vocality. Both a walk-in and cobud can start speaking in mindvoice, so from there it's your choice to assign who's voice belongs to who. There is the possibility your walk-in may actually be your cobud trying to communicate, even if it seems like two different people standing next to each other. On the other hand, you may want to isolate your cobud and focus on them since there's a good chance they'll start talking to you immedietly. Your brain has given you something to work with, and ultimately it's your job to make sense of it. There is no right or wrong answer here. Another important thing I should mention- don't worry about walk-ins "developing" outside of your control. It's never too late to reject a thoughtform you don't want. For example, let's say someone imagines a character from a TV show. The character may have their own feelings and opinions. However, the host can choose if this character should be the starting point for a seprate person or not. You can ignore this character and/or think "oh that's just me" and move on. On the other hand, it's also okay to accept walk-ins you do want. Some people may want to chat and spend time with a walk-in but then decide it's time to let the walk-in "walk-out" once satisfied. If not, some people may just really want another cobud and that's okay too. Shaming big systems never works, and integration or other population management tools are always options later if it's really a problem. Yes and no? Young cobuds can be confused for intrusive thoughts and act out impulsively on them too. This will go away once you recognize it's intrusive thoughts and have had a chance to take a break. Long term though, this will stop happening since a cobud will both rely less on impulsive thoughts to develop their personality and be easier to distinguish from other thoughts in general. They can, but that's probably not what's happening. My guess is your cobud and/or your brain is trying out different voices. It may take time for your cobud to settle with the voice they feel most comfortable with.

I think for me it was more that we just talked so much to the point where I now expect him to answer, and he does. It took years of always reaching out to him, to the point where I unconsciously direct my thoughts at him when I want his opinion on things. He says that he learned to be able to disrupt my thoughts by directing his thoughts at me, mostly. He thinks that me expecting him to always be there in my head helps him be able to reach out to me easily as well. I talked to him all the time, randomly, for years. Mostly when I was doing something that I could autopilot while doing, like walking somewhere I've walked to several times. At some point, it became automatic to reach out to him, and I think a big part of why I don't need to focus directly on him to hear him talk. A bit late to this, sorry. Hope this helps, wish you the best!

Welcome @AlexLion 😁

So true. We're both getting better at swapping roles. Our thoughts exactly. Mealtimes were one of the areas we were specifically focusing on.

Aww, your family is just so sweet! I agree with Lavender, it's cool how you’ve been letting James/your family as a whole grow in real time. I feel like I haven't seen much of that in the community. Personally, we love being a system of four. There is a sort of balance to it that felt very natural and right for us. There's never a dull moment, someone always has something they want to say or do. On the other hand, it was such a big adjustment. I feel like we're still working out all the kinks a year down the road. It might be easier going from three to four instead of jumping right from two to four like we did though. Either way, we wish you luck and lots of happiness in the future! 😁

Going in a very different direction from the last song I posted, I want to share a song each from the two bands I saw last night. Both bands were from the 80s Los Angeles metal scene. 🤘🎸