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Safe extended switching?

I have plans to do a switch with my friend up there for... pseudo-scientific reasons, lets say. From what we estimate, it'll last anywhere between half a day and a few days. Needless to say, by no standards do I want to go off the mental deep end and not be able to come back! For the experiment to be successful, however, we will need to sustain this switch for a single prolonged segment of time. I will likely also need to remove myself from my waking senses while keeping contact with my buddy mentally in the event that either of us get in a pickle.

Would anybody have tips on how to train to gain the skills to remain switched for a large amount of time and be able to reverse the effects in the end? I'm not pressed for time whatsoever and am very weary of accidental egocide.

For reference, me and my companion can already shift the dominant weight in under a minute and both of us retain all senses throughout. The longest we've been switched is about an hour and a half, at which point I began suffering nasty head pains. My partner undeniably has the power to be in control for much, much longer, so I'll have to learn pull equal weight.
08-04-2014, 06:05 AM
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RE: Safe extended switching?

You basically answered your question honestly. No point in others trying to give you magic pill answers. You actually seem pretty confident in your abilities with your tulpa, and it's just a matter of just getting used to those sensations. I use some of my experience in switching in lucid dreams as part of my foundations of attempting switching and possession in waking life.

You could find a few days where you can have alone time, and go NEET mode, and spend hours on end knowing how certain sensations of switching and/or possession feel like, and just hammering that out in hopes for a breakthrough. I did that for a few months last year, and boy, I did not regret it AT ALL.


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RE: Safe extended switching?

(08-04-2014, 06:10 AM)Linkzelda Wrote: You basically answered your question honestly. No point in others trying to give you magic pill answers. You actually seem pretty confident in your abilities with your tulpa, and it's just a matter of just getting use to those sensations. I use some of my experience in switching in lucid dreams as part of my foundations of attempting switching and possession in waking life.

You could find a few days where you can have alone time, and go NEET mode, and spend hours on end knowing how certain sensations of switching and/or possession feel like, and just hammering that out in hopes for a breakthrough. I did that for a few months last year, and boy, I did not regret it AT ALL.
It's not confidence with my buddy as much as it is confidence IN him. Truth be told, I'm unsure if I ended up creating him or if he's something more serious.

Lucid dreaming would sound like a decent training ground if I was capable of achieving lucidity without seemingly "derping out". As for learning the sensations, I'm fairly confident in being able to stay switched without too much discomfort. The real issue is intensity and extensiveness; not only would I have to be right on the sandman's doorstep, I'd have to be there for potentially a number of days. I was looking to see if anybody had any suggestions as to methods other than raw practice to help get ready for the big day and to stay sane & safe when it comes.
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RE: Safe extended switching?

TL;DR at the bottom

Oh, so it’s more of finding how to have better emotional resilience to reign in your existence at what you may conceptualize as hanging on a paper thin line between life and death. It’s probably how you conceptualize it like that is what may be hindering how you’ll mentally prepare for it.

Although the cases of egocide may be a probability, and I know you know this already, but you seriously don’t have to take those anecdotal cases as something that will inherently happen to anyone that attempts switching. I think you’re also probably concerned of being prone for escapism, and the type of stigma created here and other communities like it have on something like extended switching that could be affecting you. But it’s really between you and your tulpa, and not the stigma and dogma people create about switching in general.

This is you learning how to reign in your existence no matter what mental state or being you’re in. Allow me to use some links with video clips to emphasize my point of where you’re at right now. And I’ll give you a quick summary of the underlying reasons:

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/3405591

Basically, the character in the clip above is Kenshin who is trying to master the ultimate attack. He’s able to master everything perfectly about the execution of the technique itself, but he’s severely lacking in power. But that could be a double meaning for a type of power from within, which his master suggests he takes some time to look inside himself to find the nature of the technique that makes it the “ultimate” attack.

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/3405583

To connect this to your situation…based on the recent post of yours that clarifies that you seem to believe in your companion, but not so much when it comes to both you and him/her (feel free to clarify if I misinterpreted your post). So it’s really about fixating on what you feel about it rather than what your companion feels about it. You have the potential to execute everything just fine, and you have your own system of remembering the sensations, but what’s really missing, or lacking on your end is probably the philosophy behind your attempts in switching with them.

Which leads me to the last point in my connection to the clips:

http://www.tubechop.com/watch/3405604

Basically, the main villain the main character is going to face later on probably has an ultimate attack with the intent to kill others, even if it means throwing his life away. The main character’s master addresses how Kenshin will have to overcome the manslayer inside of him if he wants to master the technique.

So as he’s approaching Kenshin, Kenshin questions at the last minute of what’s the true nature of the technique, and wonders why he’s afraid of death. And as they’re charging, he gets little glimpses of his childhood, and finally his purpose of doing this all; which is to basically stay alive to protect those he can share happiness and sorrow with. So the secret behind the final attack is really the philosophy that’s supporting the attack.

Instead of using the manslayer as a means of self-sacrifice to protect those dear to him; as an excuse of not caring about death, he values his life and remembers why he’s staying alive in order to master the technique.

In your situation, it’s kind of the same, minus all the swordmanship philosophy. Instead of conceptualize switching as having to be at the sandman’s doorstep for an extended period of time, try to imagine why you’re switching in the first place. This may involve a bit of primitive thinking, and probably existential speculation of everything you’ve done so far in your life.

The idea is that you have to find assurances of how you’re going to switch your existence around with your companion in this life, and knowing that you can reign your existence back and forth just fine, and switch as much as you please just like how Kenshin can finally use the ultimate attack as much as he pleases.

Sometimes the methods and techniques behind possession and switching isn’t so hard when you do the whole trial-and-error thing, but when it comes to the philosophy, intent, and purpose of those concepts, that is probably what prevents us from making breakthroughs. It’s because you’re so concerned about the actual practice is a clear testament that you value your life. It’s probably repressed feelings, and maybe fears you have (e.g. probability of egocide) is what is holding you back.

So for your plans to switch with your companion for...
Quote: pseudo-scientific reasons, lets say...

...or whatever reason, maybe getting into existential thinking might help. This is why before I attempt switching, it’s probably the experience itself with mental prep where I think very deeply about my existence, my tulpas, and the people important to me in my life.

My reasons for switching are many, but one that’s prevalent is:

Knowing that my tulpas can gain experiential learning of what it truly means to be human, and not taking life for granted for being in a state (how they came up to be initially) that would be considered imaginary, thus not having fears of death or weakness. When they learn and gain empathy of that, they eventually develop respect for your existence when their existence is being put to the test as well. When that level of respect becomes established, there’s literally nothing that can stop you from switching as much as you please with your tulpas.

Knowing that my tulpas can get a chance to feel how I feel in my quotidian/daily lifestyle, and vice versa for me knowing how it would feel to be them, (i.e. imaginary senses and sense of being), and having my own silver linings and means of reigning my existence back to this reality at any time is probably the primitive support I have. And being able to see the look on their faces of the adventures and experiences they develop that I can share happiness and sadness with is another reason where I’m confident in not just how I go about flinging my existence around with switching, but knowing my mind and body is unlikely to just go out of sync and send me into something like egocide.

This could be for all sorts of probabilities (e.g. a body that wants to survive and keep mental faculties intact for as long as it can), but they’re just hypotheses that are anecdotal and experiential based.

This leads back to why I felt lucid dreaming, or just recalling my dreams (non-lucid and lucid) was part of my foundation of understanding more about switching and possession. It wasn’t the lucidity that was the key, but more of how I recalled how I existed during those virtual experiential realities my mind created in my natural sleep.

I started seeing that going into a primitive thinking with existentialism, and being as casual in my reaction to those virtual experiential realities is what allowed me to appreciate my existence in whatever circumstance; be it dreaming state or waking state. In other words, I gradually learned how to be comfortable in most states of being (dreaming state mind you) that would have a varying degree of emotional and mental challenges (e.g. fear of death, escapism).

I acknowledge that I exist first, and I don’t let fears of potentially leaving life for quite some time and other mental baggage get to me. It’s the kind of thing where your reasoning is in the back of your mind, and doesn’t need to be referred to you all the time…it just happens when you pour your heart and soul into it.

And it’s knowing that despite of whatever happens in my natural sleep, I have the assurance that I can wake up and go about my day with my tulpas. Just like how I know that in any attempt with switching...communication, confidence, and remembering your reasons and purpose of doing it go hand in hand in succeeding.

Although dreaming is not required to conceptualize tulpamancy in general, it can be a useful supplement, especially in this circumstance you’re in for switching.

TL;DR:

It doesn’t become an experiment anymore, it doesn’t become a matter of seeing a Grim Reaper with a scythe inches from your neck. It’s stepping on that paper thin margin of what you conceptualize as life and death, and remembering those existential reasons and purposes, and knowing you can reign your existence back and forth in this reality and in imaginary senses in a virtual experiential reality (e.g. wonderland).

Instead of seeing it (not saying this is really how you see it mind you) as having to escape from reality, and not caring whether or not you live or die…you see it as temporarily being in an imaginary state, or whatever you conceptualize switching as for sustaining those reasons you want to switch in the first place.


If nothing made sense, feel free to ask for more clarification, because I definitely know how you’re feeling right now, and can probably give 100s of examples to emphasize my point.

When you can climb over that moral and philosophical challenge behind switching (or any concept of tulpamancy), and life in general, things get easier over time. The execution of the techniques this time are merely the end result of your reasons, at least for this circumstance; raw practice becomes more of a joy to do rather than a chore or major challenge.


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RE: Safe extended switching?

(08-04-2014, 08:09 AM)Linkzelda Wrote: TL;DR:

It doesn’t become an experiment anymore, it doesn’t become a matter of seeing a Grim Reaper with a scythe inches from your neck. It’s stepping on that paper thin margin of what you conceptualize as life and death, and remembering those existential reasons and purposes, and knowing you can reign your existence back and forth in this reality and in imaginary senses in a virtual experiential reality (e.g. wonderland).

Instead of seeing it (not saying this is really how you see it mind you) as having to escape from reality, and not caring whether or not you live or die…you see it as temporarily being in an imaginary state, or whatever you conceptualize switching as for sustaining those reasons you want to switch in the first place.


If nothing made sense, feel free to ask for more clarification, because I definitely know how you’re feeling right now, and can probably give 100s of examples to emphasize my point.

When you can climb over that moral and philosophical challenge behind switching (or any concept of tulpamancy), and life in general, things get easier over time. The execution of the techniques this time are merely the end result of your reasons, at least for this circumstance; raw practice becomes more of a joy to do rather than a chore or major challenge.
(I clipped everything above the TL;DR line to keep the quote at a reasonable size. I did read the whole thing, though.)

From my understanding of all this, it's about confidence and faith when it really comes down to it. The faith in my reason to switch, the confidence in the potential of my partner and myself, and the drive from my will to run the experiments are what really matter here. Again, as is frequent with the field of tulpamancy, the toughest limits are the self-imposed ones. When I reach the point that I love to swap places with my partner even more and can look past the self-imposed risks of a prolonged switch, then I'll be ready to take that road.

I have to sincerely thank you, Linkzelda. I know you from other times here and you're still constantly at the forefront to help everybody and anybody who may need it. Your posts are all quality and your messages have power. If everything goes well, you may see an influx of good friends here when I do conduct the experiment; all good people I hope to provide critical information to.

Thanks again, man. You sure know the works.
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