The Impossible

[dillionchurchill]

For the sake of clarity, this is somewhat long. I hope you enjoy it.

 

I have a longstanding history of fascination with the metaphysical. My passion is the surreal: I savor the feeling of my grounded understanding of reality falling out from under me. I love to experience those moments that challenge my understanding.

 

 

When I discovered the practice of Tulpaforcing, I couldn't resist.

 

 

I am a dreamer and one who wraps himself in fantasy. I know there are others in this community that share my desire to believe that tulpae can be more than solitary hallucinations. I know there are others in this community who want to see them expand out of the box of imaginery friend-ness.

 

 

The tulpa community is filled with self respecting science-heads and there's no problem with that. This is not for them. This is for the dreamers. Those who can't help but imagine that the world doesn't work like we all accept it does.

 

 

Since the beginning of my exploration of the tulpa community I have brainstormed and dreamed of this. We are founded even nominally on the principle of thought-forms becoming solid. Tulpa wasn't the tibetan word for a creature made in imagination. A "tulpa" by that name was SPECIFICALLY one who had become energized enough to be solid.

 

 

Spare me the cinisism, though. I know that if there's any shred of a chance that this can work, it will only work if I believe blindly and dive in. This post is not about making a case for the impossible. I leave that for those who believe that our understanding comes from the world. I believe that the world comes from our understanding.

 

 

Yaknow, stereotypical quantum non-causality bullshit. ^___^

 

 

I wanted to organize my thoughts on approaches to manifestation of a tulpa here, in case others have additions or comments, or if they just want some inspiration too.

 

 

In talking with my tupperware Zephilia about this today, we decided on three possible ways this could come to fruition, assuming it is in fact possible.

 

 

1. Physical Manifestation Approach

 

The underlying metaphysical principle behind this concept is that all energy is of course of one nature, yet in seperate forms. Psychic emotional energy is in short the same energy as electricity, light, and most importantly... matter. The theory is that everything we see and feel and experience is merely a different expression of the same underlying energy field. Whether you put any stock with this idea is defined by what you think everything is made of... whether reality is a product of thought, or whether it is a given "solid" constant.

 

Beyond all of this broad theory, the mentality simple dictates that if psychic emotional energy we're made compact enough, it could be given a more solid, perceptible form. An approach to manifestating a tulpa from this perspective would likely need to involve a heavy focus on the developement and manipulation of psychic emotional energy, to condense it to a state of perceptibility.

 

Of the three theories, this one would likely be the toughest to implement.

 

 

2. Shared Hallucination Approach

 

The principles of passive telepathic communication and emotional energy fields pervades the various worldviews behind metaphysics. The simple concept that we are all of One mind and thus share an inherent connection is compelling for many, and those open to the idea, placebo or otherwise, may readily claim their experiences of emotional connections with surroundings.

 

If you support the concept of this subtle connection, the question then is presented: is it possible to utilize this connect to communicate more complex thoughts, images or sounds? If so, it would only be a matter of mastery before people were able to "share" their conditioned hallucination with others.

 

It would seem that of the limited accounts available of tulpa becoming perceptible by others, this concept would dominate others for plausibility. Such accounts seem to be discreet incidents, as opposed to the creation of any sort of matter. Like two people who both suddenly have and say the same thought at once, seemingly by a fluke, their minds perhaps synced for a moment and the conditioned hallucination was momentarily communicated.

 

A focus on this approach would rely on the ability to connect to other minds, whether passively or otherwise, and convey feelings/images through intention, or perhaps surrounding the concept of instilling the hallucination serparately in different minds, and using various clever methods to "train" them to syncronize.

 

 

3. Hybrid Approach

 

This approach simply looks at the two previous and states that they are One in the same. It treats the world as a whole as resultant of a deeper placebo effect. Given the perspective that the world is merely all 3 dimensional illusion projected by our interpretation of quantum energies, what is physical is merely our perception of a hallucination we already all share.

 

A focus on this approach would rely on the influencing of consensus reality.

 

 

If you are already in interest of metaphysics, then you already are curious of the possibility of the world no working wholly has accepted science claims.

 

 

Those against metaphysics laugh at that proposition and trumpet that our understanding of the physics of the world is tried-and-true and it's preposterous to assume any of this could even be credible.

 

 

After all, if it WAS possible, why don't we see it happening? Where are all the psychics? Why haven't they won the lottery consistently or something? If it's possible, why is there no one performing it and reaping instant fame and fascination worldwide?

 

 

Depends on what you believe about emotional energy... and the placebo effect. I've seen these forces even down to my own life effecting the world actively in ways they shouldn't... I can't shake my belief in their autority.

 

 

But then, why don't we see people performing miracles??? Simple. Because we're in a culture utterly saturated by thousands of people nearby us all the time, projecting their emotional placebo beliefs onto their world. If we passively influence and control everything in our world with our beliefs... of course the miracles wouldn't happen when we're surrounded by thousands whos beliefs suppress and overpower ours... This is called consensus reality.

 

 

Perhaps, to perform a true experiment to bring a thought-born life into the physical, we either need to overpower consensus reality, or escape it.

 

 

Put an ancient Tibetan monk, skilled at manifesting tulpae physically, into modern day America, and perhaps his ability would evaporate. Under this theory... OF COURSE no one can prove psychokinesis, or telepathy... as soon as he has an audience to prove it to, the ability evaporates.

 

 

Even if you're a total skeptic, that idea may simply intrigue you. Placebo reality would explain so much....

[Queen Chrysalis]

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And in explaining so much, it would explain it away. Perhaps dragons did exist. Perhaps the stories of myths are historical accounts. Perhaps they became myths because we called them fake. In the realm of the mind, there is no "fake;" it is all imagined. Fake, then, is an invented concept. It was invented for the sole purpose of explaining why this universe-scale RP we're all caught up in is so consistent, yet dreams are so real. Simple: We say they are fake. Now they are not part of "real"ity.

 

You, sir, have earned my instant respect. You've said well and fully in a comprehensible way many of the same reality-centric thoughts I have cognized in myself already. Tell me, stranger... Have you ever felt "reality disphoria?"

 

You wish to elevate modern tulpa to egregore status. You will encounter some problems. There is still plenty of frontloading going on in this community beyond the limitations of "success only after 100 hours." For example, one recent user came to the forums asking for help with their unruly tulpa, and they feared the implications of imposing them. They were immediately frontloaded with the idea that tulpa can't be seen by others. To no avail, however, because said user eventually divulged that their other tulpa had been seen by other people already.

 

Not that I am recommending J learn how to physically manifest or anything...

 

But we're going to need something a bit faster than forums to accomplish this. Look around this board, find the IRC channel you need to show up in. There is much to discuss. I look forward to collaborating with you to rip open the gates of reality. The goal, as you have stated, is not merely to manifest tulpa physically; but to alter our consensus reality. I'm sympathetic, but there is a problem. I like reality how it is.

 

How about we make another universe like we did this one?

 

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[7yphoid]

dillionshurchill, sorry to break your bubble, but there is absolutely ZERO scientific basis for anything you said.

[Queen Chrysalis]

[[ I'm glad you agree with us. ]]

[Chupi]

Well, there *is* scientific basis to everything being energy. However, the amount of energy required to produce the mass of an average adult human, if I recall, is the equivalent of hundreds of H-bombs, assuming perfectly efficient mass-energy conversion. Needless to say, you'd have an awfully hard time getting ahold of and controlling this quantity of energy. Therefore I would say the shared hallucination approach is far more plausible.

 

An extension of the hybrid approach is the possibility that we could all be beings that exist in some higher being's mind, or some advanced simulator. In which case all of this could work, and depends only on the arbitrary rules set by this mind or computer.

 

As for the validity of metaphysics itself, I'm not really convinced either way, but I would be inclined to try and make myself believe in it for purely practical reasons. My thinking is that there's two possibilities here: One is that it truly works, and using it will result in a stronger tulpa more quickly. The other is that it's just a bunch of symbols that have been developed and refined over millennia to be highly effective at deluding the subconscious; in which case using it and believing it will work will result in a stronger tulpa more quickly.

[Queen Chrysalis]

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We could all be beings that exist in some higher being's mind, or some advanced simulator.

"Or"?

 

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[dillionchurchill]

I'm sympathetic, but there is a problem. I like reality how it is.

 

How about we make another universe like we did this one?

 

I agree, I love this world deeply, in all honesty. My goal is not to harm the established order in any way [Though if things go as we've been seeing it's going to change harshly on its own in a little while]. I'm here simply to experience amazing things.

 

The key is to not necessarily alter consensus reality in any permanent way... but perhaps to find a place to experiment with this outside of the range of the "consensus reality field" that modern societies automatically impose against the impossible?

 

There's record, albeit sketchy of the impossible happening in this universe, on our planet. People have done incredible things. But they did not do them in our consensus reality field. So perhaps that is key? Maybe this is why so many "adepts" achieved power through isolation? It's conjecture but it's a start.

 

dillionshurchill, sorry to break your bubble, but there is absolutely ZERO scientific basis for anything you said.

 

Well the fascinating part is that while tons metaphysical followings have talked about these very prinsciples, we're actually seeing science now wrap around full circle and starting to discuss true physical reality AS subjective to the observer.

 

If you're looking for more solid evidence, perhaps just read a tad of David Wilcock's "The Source Field Investigations". That book blows my mind every few minutes. Or perhaps something like this is more your fancy...

http://www.scribd.com/doc/51152020/Air-Force-Research-Laboratory-Teleportation-Report

 

As I said before, I'm not here to convince anyone. I believe this because I choose to and that's that. It's way more fun to live in a world where fantasy is possibility. It's why we make tulpa.

 

Regardless, I always found that document linked to be amazing. Air force research document on the compiled findings surrounding physical teleportation of objects. Observe how section 5 of 6 is distinctly concerning "P-teleportation", the military's term for teleportation performed strictly by psychic influence. Take that how you will. ^___^

[Chupi]

Take that how you will. ^___^

 

Some of the Cold War era U.S. military research stuff is to be taken with a giant grain of salt. This, for instance. (This paper has a little of everything -- "tulpoids", UFOs, quantum mechanics, materialized projections, cattle mutilations, changing the past; this diagram probably sums it up best.) It's not entirely clear to me exactly why this document was made. Perhaps this was an attempt to cover all bases on the off chance that it may be possible. Or it could have been an attempt to get the Soviets to waste resources on something we knew to be bunk.

[Queen Chrysalis]

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Something we knew to be bunk.

I think you mean, "Some we thought we knew to be bunk."

 

It is, of course, not a falsifiable hypothesis.

 

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[dillionchurchill]

Sorry for my involvement atm being kinda slow. I'll be able to finally crack down on this after my semiconductors exam this afternoon. Anywho, to answer a few more of these:

 

You wish to elevate modern tulpa to egregore status.

 

Actually, to stay true to classic terminology, I don't wish to elevate tulpa to egregore status. I wish to elevate thoughtform to tulpa status. In tibetan terms anyway, tulpa was the term specifically for physical manifestations of thought forms.

 

Arguing over terms is not my goal, I only mention this distinction because I don't intend to bestow any great power to my tulpa, as the word egregore may imply. I don't know if that is how you use the term egregore around here, but in my experience with the word it implies that the entity has great power in influencing others. That is not my intent, beyond allowing her to be real to people.

 

To no avail, however, because said user eventually divulged that their other tulpa had been seen by other people already.

 

This is to my great interest. Upon finding this community to begin with, I assumed we'd eventually see this happening in the community on its own, on accident even. I assumed stories like this would gradually pop up more and more.

 

After all, even though the three methods proposed require great attention, this community is full of people ALREADY doing all those things: building up energy and focusing greatly on the projection of their tulpa's image. If it IS possible, I figured we'd see it happening on its own now and then due to the sheer energy and willpower people already dedicate to their tulpa.

 

As for the validity of metaphysics itself, I'm not really convinced either way, but I would be inclined to try and make myself believe in it for purely practical reasons.

 

When I first stumbled upon metaphysics, I was mystified, and all it took was a couple websites claiming it was true with no proof to inspire me to become dedicated to finding out for myself. I imagine this is very similar to pretty much everyone in this community with respect to tulpae. You guys didn't ask for scientific verification, you just heard a bulk of accounts and grew inspired enough to find out for yourself.

 

Granted, the inherent difference is that tulpae are a good deal more scientifically justifyable in modern science and thus you required less proof to allow your self to have faith enough to try it.

 

Fact is, you're absolutely right: choosing to believe in metaphysics can only be beneficial to you. Once you make that decision and start believing in it, you'll be open to the principles, and you'll see them start to apply themselves even down to your day-to-day life. The principles will prove themselves to you, albeit never solidly enough that you'd be able to prove them to others. Sadly, it doesn't seem that modern concensus reality will allow that atm. Or at least it seems to restrict it strongly. I've had my fair share of debateably impossible events, but they've managed to remain JUST out of the range where I could use them as evidence to other people.

 

Hence why no one takes metaphysics seriously. My story is the same as the rest. IT HAPPENED I SWEAR is all I'm able to give you. Instead, I'll keep my story to myself.

 

Perhaps that's life's way of forcing people to go experiment and find out for themselves?

 

Oh and also

 

Cold War era U.S. military research stuff

 

It's worth noting that the link I posted contains research data from the late 70s all the way through 2003. The concept of outputting false psychokinesis research to waste the Soviet Union's time doesn't convince me at all, given that historically speaking America only began researching psychic phenomena in direct response TO the Soviet Union, which poured huge amounts of cash into it long before America took it seriously. Programs aimed at psychic intellegence popped up around the world in response to the Soviet Union's pioneering, so it's not likely at all that America attempted to fool the Soviets into researching something that isn't real. They were there long before we were, and apparently their scientific results were strong enough to warrant them pouring ever larger sums of cash into researching it.

 

Not to mention that 90s-2003 isn't typically considered cold war era, though it's easy to argue that the cold war is everpresent so I'm not going to argue that in itself.