Deviation?

[mluffy82]

Hey guys I have a question. I've herd before that making a tulpa based a character is bad. But lately i also herd that its okay as long as deviation is involved. I want my Tulpa to be based off of a character from the anime to love ru. but I don't know how deviation works could some please explain kindly

[Ricochet90]

Well I'm in not way an expert,but I think that I can help a little.

 

Deviation is essentially when you try to "give" a personality trait to your tulpa,but your tulpa instead of accepting it it makes his/her own personality trait that is different than your initial trait.

 

Deviation can occur with little things and with big,whole traits.

 

Let's say that you give your tulpa a love for penguins.but then she decides that she likes elephants instead,this is a little change,but the possibility of a bigger change is pretty high.

 

In my experience heavy deviations occur at least one time.

 

For example I gave my tulpa the trait of being "mature" but the few times I was able to interact directly with her she is not really mature and acts like a kid sometimes. (but I'm OK with that)

 

You shouldn't try to force your "perfect" personality on your tulpa.

 

If heavy deviation occurs (and as I said the probability is high) just leave it as is...chances are that you will be actually HAPPIER with the new trait as the deviation is caused by the desires of your subconscious mind.

 

Of course you can skip the personality phase entirely and let the tulpa develop one on her own I've heard that most people are happy with the final result.

 

 

As for using an existing character as an inspiration for your tulpa I recommend not using the same traits as the existing character,tweak the personality a little to prevent future identity crisis...as long as you don't try to make your tulpa a carbon copy of the existing character you should be fine.

[Linkzelda]

They only say making a tulpa based off a character is bad because of worst case scenarios (i.e. identity crisis....they're all just negative front loading). Deviation can occur naturally, and there's not really a concrete way to tell you how it works...it just happens. If anything, talk to your tulpa and keep in the back of your mind that they can deviate in a form they're comfortable with.

 

Some people have a tulpa's form based from other characters, but it doesn't mean they're suddenly the totality of that character (personality, identity, preferences, etc.). You'd want to go for deviation either way for several reasons, the most obvious is that you'll probably grow bored of that pink-haired chick that's a panty shot abuse just waiting to happen. And other reasons is to just give the tulpa flexibility to save yourself any potential hassle with how they identify themselves.

 

TL;DR:

 

Rule of thumb, if you need a base form during the initial stages, go for it, but always be open for flexibility and changes in the near future for deviation.

 

And attempting to make their existence the totality of the other character isn't worth the hassle to be honest, but just please take into consideration that your spontaneity of favoritism over that form and potentially the personality/character may be a passing reprieve.

[mluffy82]

Thanks both of you guys. But linkzelda I just want to know one more thing why do you say it's bad using this from I'm interested and new at this. So any type of feedback it's fine

[Hamcha]

IIRC the main reasons that determined the whole "Existing characters are bad" are two:

 

1. If you base it so much that you make believe your tulpa that s/he IS that character, s/he might have identity crisis later on.

2. Some people make tulpae based on some character because they want to make their waifu come to life.. or more generally expect that tulpa to behave like that character.. which won't happen, because s/he ISN'T. It's like trying to raise a child to be like Hitler.

[The-Syreth-Clan]

On 12/15/2013 at 7:58 AM, mluffy82 said:

Hey guys I have a question. I've herd before that making a tulpa based a character is bad. But lately i also herd that its okay as long as deviation is involved. I want my Tulpa to be based off of a character from the anime to love ru. but I don't know how deviation works could some please explain kindly

 

As other people said, if you have a good time forcing with Lala go for it, but keep in mind that she might change both design and personality-wise. You'll know deviation is happening when for example you try to imagine her, but instead of her long pink hair she has a short bob-cut, or whatever, and you can't get yourself to make her look otherwise, or only for a little while. In that case, focus on how she looks at that moment, not on how she would look.

Edited May 10, 2022 by Mel Syreth

[Linkzelda]

Thanks both of you guys. But linkzelda I just want to know one more thing why do you say it's bad using this from I'm interested and new at this. So any type of feedback it's fine

 

 

Hamcha and Mel Syreth pretty much stated what I would tell you. Going for perfect and absolute emulation of a character may end up in a series of unpredictable events. But you don't have to worry too much if you're not in it to create your idealized and most perfect dream girl that must meet every single demand and desire you have entrenched within your mind.

 

Which is why with deviation, you may be able to get the general concept of the tulpa, but they'll still have that individuality compared to the base model/form. There's nothing wrong or bad about using the form if you and your tulpa agree to stick with it, and I'm sorry if I implied that it was.

 

We're focusing more on their aspects of their self-schema (e.g. personality, character, behaviors, belief systems, and other things they would use to define the nature of their existence beyond just their form) and how it's pragmatic to help your tulpa have some individuality in that respect.

 

Individuality would be something common for any sentient being that can rationalize and observe their existence that wants to distinguish themselves from the rest.

[Fredrikorex]

I could tell you something that happend today that is related to both deviations and existing characters.

 

My tulpa was planned to be based of an existing character but I've always told her that she could deviate if she didn't like it, recently I've had trouble visualizing without really knowing why and every time I saw a picture of the character she was based of she would respond with "that's not me."

Because I was an idiot I responded with "yeah she's only the character your looks are based from" because I thought she was trying to point out that she was nothing like the character.

 

Turns out she wanted to tell me she did not look anything like the character at all and that I've been an idiot for not picking that up untill now, it sure explains why she's been upset with me as well.