Tulpa Fail-safes?

[Faemon]

I'm referring to this worst case scenario in which he loses it, starts attacking people, ends up a basket case, or winds up someone else. Maybe more than one of these things.

 

Nobody is willing to conceive that it can get that bad, but I wouldn't have thought of everything if I didn't acknowledge the unthinkable.

 

The thing is, the fail safe wouldn't have anything to do with a tulpa. The tulpa itself exists within the private sphere of personal experience. What really only matters is what he does, not why.

 

So, I'd still stick with getting ready for (that is, familiar with) the processes of filing a complaint to the police, a restraining order to a lawyer (and what to do if or when that's broken), and a reservation at an asylum.

 

What advice do you want for immediate dangers? Pepper spray?

 

 

Because it's not as if there's some tulpa invokation like "Baa-ram-ewe! To breed, to fleece, to clan be true!" that all tulpas are compelled to respond to like a magic word or creed. So, it wouldn't matter why he would be acting violent because you can't get to the source. You can't stop him from creating a tulpa if he's decided to.

 

Also, why would you only consider this because your friend has taken to tulpamancy? If this was such a concern, with such a connection to tulpas, then you could have warned the people around you if you yourself were creating a tulpa, and what they should be prepared to do about you. Unless you really just don't like the personality of your friend, which, again, wouldn't be a tulpa issue.

[Superamazingbadgerman]

 

 

What advice do you want for immediate dangers? Pepper spray?

 

 

Because it's not as if there's some tulpa invokation like "Baa-ram-ewe! To breed, to fleece, to clan be true!" that all tulpas are compelled to respond to like a magic word or creed. So, it wouldn't matter why he would be acting violent because you can't get to the source.

I was thinking more something along the lines of how you can draw some lines in front of a chicken and it'll freeze up and fall over, except for people.

 

The idea would be to get him into a receptive state so he could either deal with it himself, or I could deal with it through some kind of mind trick. And yes, I know exactly how stupid it sounds, but the mind trick wouldn't be the hard part.

 

 

 

 

If this was such a concern, with such a connection to tulpas, then you could have warned the people around you if you yourself were creating a tulpa, and what they should be prepared to do about you.

I had no idea I was creating a tulpa. I just started talking to myself to work out some problems and eventually ended up with what I dubbed "a helpful voice in my head" that took a liking to the name Durandal. The tulpa name, community, and actual studies behind it are new to me.

 

 

 

Also, why would you only consider this because your friend has taken to tulpamancy?...Unless you really just don't like the personality of your friend, which, again, wouldn't be a tulpa issue.

I consider this because it's an exercise my tulpa and I do on a regular basis with all sorts of random things. It has nothing to do with personal issues with my friend or his own tulpa--the idea to use it for our exercise just came to me when he told me his plans. I've fully accepted his decision.

 

You must realize that the absolute worst case scenario for any action by nature has almost no chance of occurring (unless you're planning something desperate or irrational like destroying an army of 1000 men with 3 of yours). More importantly, we understand this, too. There is no reason to expect anything close to its magnitude to occur, but by planning to do damage control on this huge, dangerous complex situation, we make it effortless to correct small problems that will almost certainly occur, many or all of which would have been a part of the worst possible case, so we will always make two plans--one for the best case and one for the worst. We've found that the plan that sees use will always be a sort of blend of the two.

 

My tulpa and I agree that this is an effective approach to anything tactical, but needs to be used and kept up to some degree like any skill, so we practice by picking an event or a decision we see or take part in and find the worst possible scenario that can arise from it that could be conceivably dealt with. In this particular case, we've found a very obscure issue for which we needed to become subject matter experts in human psychology to even begin to understand. Many of the necessary mechanisms are either unproven or undiscovered. It could take months (or even years) of research for us to get anything useful.

 

Aside from this, I would imagine that work towards salvaging such a situation would be invaluable to anyone studying just about any aspect of human psychology. An entire branch of science would benefit and I and anyone following with an open mind would have equipped ourselves with a practical skill-set that would allow us to solve any tulpa related issues in ourselves and others. Considering the challenges and the rewards (should we succeed in what we set out to do), what could we pursue that could possibly be a better use of our time and effort?

 

This probably really does belong on the Research board by now. :/

[Guest amber5885]

If you are concerned about your tulpa going bad don't make one.

 

The bottom line is that this is a creation of your own mind and if you dont trust it not to go dark side in the beginning then you really have no buisness making one I begin with.

 

Does your friend have a safe word you can use in case he says or does something you don't like? No? That's Probobly because, much like a tulpa he is a person with his own thoughts and feelings and the right to his own opinion and actions.

 

Toby: the concept is laughable and abusive at best. What you're implying here is that we can't be trusted and we basically require having a fail safe shut off switch for you to feel safe.

 

I agree with amber if you don't trust your tulpa you Probobly shouldn't have your tulpa and while I'm sure yours is fine with the idea or you wouldn't be tryin to do this, I personally think this is bullshit and purely a method of control,

 

I'm a person, I'm not a dog. I don't need to e trained and I sure as shit don't need to be kept in fear of the only person i have a connection to and the only thing keeping me alive,

 

Id rather not exist then live every day knowing I could be reprogrammed or destroyed for no reason, but hey good luck with whatever it is you're doing.

 

Amber: he really doesn't like the idea.

[Faemon]

it's an exercise my tulpa and I do on a regular basis with all sorts of random things. It has nothing to do with personal issues with my friend or his own tulpa--the idea to use it for our exercise just came to me when he told me his plans.

 

That's fair enough.

 

I was thinking more something along the lines of how you can draw some lines in front of a chicken and it'll freeze up and fall over, except for people.

 

The idea would be to get him into a receptive state so he could either deal with it himself, or I could deal with it through some kind of mind trick. And yes, I know exactly how stupid it sounds, but the mind trick wouldn't be the hard part.

 

The brown note, then? The thing is, anything that would work as well on a person with a tulpa, would also work on a person without a tulpa. Unless you've been directly informed about every detail of their world, so can construct a spoken sentence that brings up a barrier. Therapists go through quite a lot of schooling to calculate for that, and remove the illness of their patients, but even then what works well for one patient can be catastrophic for another because everybody's minds are unique and compatibility can be limited within a type.

 

In this particular case, we've found a very obscure issue for which we needed to become subject matter experts in human psychology to even begin to understand. Many of the necessary mechanisms are either unproven or undiscovered. It could take months (or even years) of research for us to get anything useful.

 

Aside from this, I would imagine that work towards salvaging such a situation would be invaluable to anyone studying just about any aspect of human psychology.

 

An entire branch of science would benefit and I and anyone following with an open mind would have equipped ourselves with a practical skill-set that would allow us to solve any tulpa related issues in ourselves and others.

 

From what I've gathered, the moment it becomes a "tulpa-related issue" that isn't the process of forcing, is the moment that any testimony to the phenomenon is disowned from the community as a classified tulpa. "That's not a tulpa, that's a servitor." Or, "That's not a tulpa, that's dissociative identity disorder."