Elriocerney and Evangeline

[Akinkinit]

I've heard of tulpa being able to make tulpa but I didn't expect Eva to necessarily do it. I've brought it up to her in the past, I guess I just wasn't expecting her to actually ever do it. IF ANYONE SEES THIS WHO HAVE A TULPA THAT HAVE MADE ANOTHER TULPA ON THEIR OWN OR SOMETHING SIMILAR IT'D BE GREAT IF YOU REPLIED TO MY THREAD OR PM'D ME.

 

Noriko made Sabari pretty much by herself. We discussed what the form should look like, and then when I woke up the next day, Sabari was there. And of course, she didn't actually TELL me she wanted to make another tulpa; she just kind of snuck in us talking about what my next tulpa would look like one day.

 

Sabari was more so a servitor at that point of her creation though. Turning her into a full fledged tulpa took a few weeks of work. And by work I mean just visualizing her. Noriko apparently took care of all "the back end coding that needed to happen."

[Guest Anonymous]

 

Noriko made Sabari pretty much by herself. We discussed what the form should look like, and then when I woke up the next day, Sabari was there. And of course, she didn't actually TELL me she wanted to make another tulpa; she just kind of snuck in us talking about what my next tulpa would look like one day.

 

Sabari was more so a servitor at that point of her creation though. Turning her into a full fledged tulpa took a few weeks of work. And by work I mean just visualizing her. Noriko apparently took care of all "the back end coding that needed to happen."

 

I frequently astonished at what you younger people are doing with your brains! LOL I have no idea how you could have a tulpa that is this incredible to make his or her own tulpa. "Nested" tulpa! The management alone, sorting out all the thoughts and communication has to be daunting. I will stick with just the one, she's a big enough handful. How does that even feel to have a tulpa that has a tulpa? I mean how do the lines of communication work and ...? My head hurts! LOL ~Mistgod

[Akinkinit]

 

I frequently astonished at what you younger people are doing with your brains! LOL I have no idea how you could have a tulpa that is this incredible to make his or her own tulpa. "Nested" tulpa! The management alone, sorting out all the thoughts and communication has to be daunting. I will stick with just the one, she's a big enough handful. How does that even feel to have a tulpa that has a tulpa? I mean how do the lines of communication work and ...? My head hurts! LOL ~Mistgod

 

Yeah, Noriko is really something else. The end result however was the same as if I was the one who created Sabari. Meaning I see them both as two separate entities and I can talk to one of them without having to go through the other. An interesting side effect of this (possibly) is that while Noriko has this clear image of my subconscious as a machine, and how the the tulpa parts interact with it, Sabari doesn't care at all what my subconscious looks like. She just exists.

[Guest Anonymous]

An interesting side effect of this (possibly) is that while Noriko has this clear image of my subconscious as a machine, and how the the tulpa parts interact with it, Sabari doesn't care at all what my subconscious looks like. She just exists.

 

Interesting! I never considered how different personalities would lead to a different approach or perception of the mind space. ~Mistgod

[Elriocerney]

 

Noriko made Sabari pretty much by herself. We discussed what the form should look like, and then when I woke up the next day, Sabari was there. And of course, she didn't actually TELL me she wanted to make another tulpa; she just kind of snuck in us talking about what my next tulpa would look like one day.

 

Sabari was more so a servitor at that point of her creation though. Turning her into a full fledged tulpa took a few weeks of work. And by work I mean just visualizing her. Noriko apparently took care of all "the back end coding that needed to happen."

 

First of all, thank you so much for replying to my thread. It is much appreciated. I see your tulpa decided to surprise you and make another one on her own as well. :)

 

I'm assuming by "the back end coding that needed to happen" you mean things like personality/narration. A question for Noriko then, is how did you go about working on Sabari? So Noriko worked on Sabari all by herself, aside from visualization, and Sabari is completely sentient now? How developed was Noriko when Sabari originally came into the picture? Do you think Noriko working on Sabari on her own caused Noriko to become fully sentient faster if Noriko wasn't fully sentient already?

 

Any answers or advice would be much appreciated, especially advice from Noriko for Eva. I'm sure the tulpa creation process is the same for even when a tulpa is making another tulpa, but if you do have any advice I'm sure Eva would appreciate it.

 

 

 

I frequently astonished at what you younger people are doing with your brains! LOL I have no idea how you could have a tulpa that is this incredible to make his or her own tulpa. "Nested" tulpa! The management alone, sorting out all the thoughts and communication has to be daunting. I will stick with just the one, she's a big enough handful. How does that even feel to have a tulpa that has a tulpa? I mean how do the lines of communication work and ...? My head hurts! LOL ~Mistgod

 

Well, Eva is quite something for sure... Hahaha. Thank you for replying, I suppose I'll have to let you know what it's like in the future if you're curious. :)

[Akinkinit]

Well, as my host said before, I consider his subconscious to be this grand sort of machine. What I did once figuring out what Sabari should start off looking like is basically create a space for her in said machine. This did not include any personality / narration / what have you; just a bare bones sort of thing. On having my host visualize her, we were able to form her personality / sentience together simply by interacting with her as if she already had one, even though neither of us knew precisely what it would be. Of course there were some times I guided her based on how I thought it would be best for her to act. Nothing fancy; just did it by talking to her. And some weeks later, she became fully sentient. So, even though I made her, how she became what she is today was a group effort.

 

As for any advice to Eva, well, you probably have an idea on how to make another tulpa already. If you don't, the most important thing is defining a form, then defining a place where said form will exist. I'm assuming you reside inside of your host's wonderland. If you reside in a specific house / room, then create another house / room for this new tulpa to live in. This seemed to work best when the host is ready to go to sleep. For one, there are less distractions, and something about the deep sleep cycle seems to make the new tulpa area more set in stone.

 

If this works for you, then you'll end up with a servitor that has the potential to become a tulpa. You could have your host do the usual manual personality definitions and such, but if you and your host just interact with her normally, you'll find that she'll develop them on her own.

 

I think Noriko was basically sentient before she tried making Sabari. But thinking back on it, making another tulpa did help Noriko out. Couldn't say exactly how though. Maybe just stronger in general?

[Elriocerney]

 

I think Noriko was basically sentient before she tried making Sabari. But thinking back on it, making another tulpa did help Noriko out. Couldn't say exactly how though. Maybe just stronger in general?

 

We appreciate the lengthy reply Noriko! We're going to make Remi a room in our wonderland tonight, I've been meaning to do that but I've been busy so I haven't gotten around to it.

[Elriocerney]

June 22nd, 2015

 

Nothing too crazy has happened the past few days, I've been pretty busy and also my concentration has generally just sucked as well. I feel bad for both of my tulpa, but soon I will have more free time that I intend to invest in all of this.

 

It's been pretty normal otherwise, except Remi has already said a few things...

when we do have active sessions I've been TRYING to work with Eva on her voice. If we're not in an active session then it's usually me trying to imagine both Eva and Remi with me through out the day. The past few times haven't been too productive since I think I keep falling asleep and I'm not very focused during the session. Soon I would like to put a lot more time into working on her voice, but for no I usually just switch it up between doing that and working on visualization.

[Elriocerney]

July 4th, 2015

 

Wow it's been even longer than I thought since my last PR entry...

This entire past month hasn't been too productive compared to May, but it's to be expected as I've been a lot more busy than I usually am. Things are progressing normally and i'm still hitting my 40 minutes a day minimum of active sessions. I feel bad only spending this much time with either of my tulpa, although they understand I'm just going to be busy the next few months so eventually I will have a lot more free time to invest into this. However I should have a bit more time for this now, and from now on I'm going to be a lot better about updating my PR. Besides being super busy, things have been pretty normal. Remi talks a bit now how Eva used to when she was starting to get more vocal which is interesting considering I haven't done ANY active stuff with Remi at all, and Eva on the other hand can be pretty vocal at times. Eva still talks to people occasionally, although she doesn't seem too interested in saying much all the time. It depends, really. Maybe she needs someone to provoke her to talk other than me. She talks a good bit though when I do talk to her, it's just that recently since i've been busy I get more focused on what I'm doing and I'm already not used to being busy so it's proven to be a bit of a challenge to keep my tulpa in mind.

 

I'm also going to start writing and keeping records of conversations between Remi, Eva and I. I would like to invest more time into writing stuff down to give us all more of a foundation to build off of, and to have records of some of our conversations for the future.

 

All in all though, not much has changed since the last update. We're just making gradual progress. We're still mainly focusing on Eva's voice, and it's starting to pay off more and more. Although progress has been at a minimum recently, at least compared to how it was going before, I'm still very pleased with the progress we have made. I've heard of other peoples tulpa falling silent at times and not responding - I luckily have not had this issue with Eva at least not recently. Also, when I try to ask Eva something I always get a response now unlike before where sometimes I would get responses and sometimes not, usually I wouldn't get responses on things that required a more complex answer or something similar. Eva AT LEAST says about 10-20 sentences a day! Maybe 10-15 to other people on a really good day, but she's usually most talkative with me. I'm not keeping track exactly of course, this is just a rough estimate... I think she would talk a lot more if we found some people who shared her interests more that she could get along with. Also if she had more interests in general, since she'd have more to talk about. We're working on that, though. The things she says vary in complexity a lot. For example, it could be a more simple response to a question like how was your day, "my day was actually really great!" or there's been times where she would add onto her reply with things that she did that day in the wonderland or with Remi, etc. This is just an example, though.

 

So overall things have been going great, we also started drawing today. By we, I really mean me because we have not started possession although Eva says she would like to start that Monday, on the 6th. In fact we didn't even have an interest in possession or switching until Eva decided she wanted to draw (this is actually something I don't think I've mentioned yet as it was rather recent, but apparently Eva really loves drawing and wants to learn how to possess/switch so that she can make her own manga eventually) which is great and I'm very excited she's starting to gain her own personal interests. Recently I've been showing her lots of anime, and plan to read to her a bunch of different manga since that seems to be what she likes! Kudos to her. I've also decided to try and encourage her to start writing stories or something, not only do I think it could be extremely beneficial to her if she does it mostly if not all by herself but also so that she has an actual story and story-telling skills for her manga she'd like to eventually create.