consciousness vs identity

[Guest Anonymous]

Good point. I don't and I agree. :-) But saying that my own identity/personality may not be real is not a good argument to prove that tulpas are real at all. That proves nothing. It is an interesting thought, but it proves nothing. We will be going in circles now from this point on I am afraid. LOL

[chessmen]

I believe 'identity' is what makes you unique or what defines you, not a consciousness..

Having a consciousness ables you to acknowledge your existence and be aware of raw input from your surrounding(physical world or wonderland)...but it's your 'identity' processing / interpreting / making sense out of the raw input.. So to me, I feel like 'identity' is the real sentient being, not consciousness.. Your consciousness just delivers raw input, your identity decides on what to make of it..

So maybe having a tulpa means we have found a way to make our consciousness deliver raw inputs to two different identity via two different channels?

[nivereno]

Good point. I don't and I agree. :-) But saying that my own identity/personality may not be real is not a good argument to prove that tulpas are real at all. That proves nothing. It is an interesting thought, but it proves nothing. We will be going in circles now from this point on I am afraid. LOL

 

That wasn't trying to prove tulpas just trying to prove that a different view on them is still a thing with no hard evidence thus it doesn't make anything easier.

[Guest Anonymous]

I believe 'identity' is what makes you unique or what defines you, not a consciousness..

Having a consciousness ables you to acknowledge your existence and be aware of raw input from your surrounding(physical world or wonderland)...but it's your 'identity' processing / interpreting / making sense out of the raw input.. So to me, I feel like 'identity' is the real sentient being, not consciousness.. Your consciousness just delivers raw input, your identity decides on what to make of it..

So maybe having a tulpa means we have found a way to make our consciousness deliver raw inputs to two different identity via two different channels?

 

Possibly. That is a very interesting way to look at it!

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That wasn't trying to prove tulpas just trying to prove that a different view on them is still a thing with no hard evidence thus it doesn't make anything easier.

 

Okay. :-) Hmm. I would disagree for my own case anyway. For me personally it makes it easier to understand.

[chessmen]

Ethically, when it comes to dissipation, it would make it easier for a host..

Most people think that

human = physical body/brain + consciousness

We put great importance in consciousness(we allow to pull the plug on people in coma).. So for many people killing a tulpa(consciousness) could equate to murder / killing.

 

If we view a tulpa as an identity..

human = physical body/brain + consciousness + original identity(naturally developed) + one or more extra identities(which can be deliberately created / destroyed by the original identity)

What is so ethically wrong with destroying your second or third identity?

[NoneFromHell]

I believe 'identity' is what makes you unique or what defines you, not a consciousness..

Having a consciousness ables you to acknowledge your existence and be aware of raw input from your surrounding(physical world or wonderland)...but it's your 'identity' processing / interpreting / making sense out of the raw input.. So to me, I feel like 'identity' is the real sentient being, not consciousness.. Your consciousness just delivers raw input, your identity decides on what to make of it..

So maybe having a tulpa means we have found a way to make our consciousness deliver raw inputs to two different identity via two different channels?

 

My answer would be: Kinda. Normally it is pretty acknowledged that a tulpa shares a subconsciousness with a host, which would pretty much cover your raw input part. This subconsciousness is connected to the mind of the host and the mind of the tulpa. The mind part is what makes the tulpa unique, it doesn't defines how your tulpa is going to react, it is the seperated "place" your tulpa owns to process the raw input to think about it.

 

So, you don't know in which way your tulpa should process information, and your brain doesn't make up an answers based on simple expectations. It is this part which makes the term "consciousness" more fitting than "identity", but from what i get you pretty much say "identity" but mean exactly the same thing we mean when talking about "consciousness".

 

Edit: And I don't agree with your ethical view. In this case it would be also no ethical problem to brainwash you, since your consciousness wouldn't change. Just your identity.