chessmen December 25, 2015 December 25, 2015 Seems like many people here view a tulpa as having a separate consciousness. Meaning one physical brain being shared by two or more consciousness(1 brain <-- 2 or more consciousness). My view is little different.. I think it’s more like one brain having one consciousness with a capability of developing two or more identities.(1 brain <-- 1 consciousness <-- 2 or more identities) Maybe it’s not a capability.. maybe it’s just a glitch in our brains and we have figured out the ways to exploit them... Do you think it’s wrong to view tulpa as just a different identity rather than a full consciousness? If we view tulpa as just a different identity(which stemmed / developed from the same consciousness), wouldn’t this viewpoint make things a lot simpler / easier for hosts?
Guest Anonymous December 25, 2015 December 25, 2015 I say that I have one body, one brain, one mind but two aspects or expressions. It seems almost another way of saying what you just said. My Melian is distinct from me only because I choose to treat her and love her as an independent person. But I think she is imaginary and a figment and an expression. There is a majority consensus on this forum that tulpas are independent consciousness in one brain, like a second consciousness. But that is not the only view or the only valid or plausible one. I have learned not to make general statements about all tulpas, as much as I can. If someone tells me their tulpa is real consciousness, I don't tell them they are wrong. They just might be right. In fact, it is possible that my Melian is a figment and an expression, while another person's tulpa is independent consciousness. There is no reason why Melian has to be the identical phenomenon others are experiencing. I can't get into another person's head to find out. I only know what I have.
IBreakGames December 25, 2015 December 25, 2015 Hmm. Well, can an identity be sentient, i.e. be able to perceive things and have experiences (genuinely curious about that)? I agree that it might make things simpler, but I don't think identity describes a tulpa well enough. I'm IBreakGames, a genuine dude. We gave up on using different colors for each of us, so there's Al, Ollie, and Eva. We're all rabbits, get over it.
Guest Anonymous December 25, 2015 December 25, 2015 Is a tulpa sentient or only apparently sentient? Maybe all tulpas are only an identity and a form of self delusion. IBreakGames, your question shows bias, which is okay. But tulpas may or may not be independently sentient. So can an identity be sentient? I don't know. Can a tulpa? If we view tulpa as just a different identity(which stemmed / developed from the same consciousness), wouldn’t this viewpoint make things a lot simpler / easier for hosts? I want to answer this question, which I didn't in my first response. I want to say YES, it would make it easier. Assuming independent sentience results in all kinds of philosophical, ethical and morale questions and the level of complexity concerning the phenomenon goes through the roof with questions about how tulpas perceive the world, how they live and how they process memories and information. Assuming a tulpa as an identity expression is a lot less complex yes. Viewing your tulpa as an expression or identity is a plausible and a valid view point and there is nothing wrong with it. Just be careful saying all tulpas are that way. People get personal about their tulpas and how they feel about them. All tulpas need not be the same either.
Lacquer December 25, 2015 December 25, 2015 Parallel processing and the tulpa doing things while the host is asleep would disprove it.
NoneFromHell December 25, 2015 December 25, 2015 Well a simple identity like you described isn't enough to represent what a tulpa is all about, in my honest opinion. But I think the idea itself isn't too farfetched, especially for earlier development stages. This would just be an alternative version of yourself, a different way your own ideas get processed. I feel like your "identity" doesn't cover autonomous behaviour or knowledge about things you're unaware of (remembering different details) etc. etc. It is lacking meaning. But to get a bit in the direction of Mistgod, it is quite possible that you have only one real consciousness, which is just simulating a second consciousness for your tulpa, with all necessary aspects. In this case it is still more than a simple identity. Your view is easier, but oversimplified. Tulpa: Alice Form: Realistic Humanoid/Demonic Creation She may or may not talk here, depends on her.
Guest Anonymous December 25, 2015 December 25, 2015 Parallel processing and the tulpa doing things while the host is asleep would disprove it. Parallel processing is only a mental talent. I proves nothing. Tulpas doing things while I am asleep could be a dream or again a self delusion. Again, it proves nothing except for wishful thinking.
nivereno December 25, 2015 December 25, 2015 Consciousness is a vague concept, it is also in a way a glitch in and of itself because it makes it possible for biological organisms to not want to breed / to want to die and such. Having a different view on tulpas is not really wrong since we don't have any hard evidence of anything sorounding it. Althou, indulging a bit of harmless dillusion is a way more ethical thing then telling someone they don't exist or that their beliefs are wrong(Without proof), so from the ethical point of view its a little wrong, but not toooooo wrong. I don't really see how viewing tulpas as separate identities rather the concioussnessess makes anything easier for hosts. Shade is the tulpa, [stuff]=her. Her form is: pegasus mlp pony with dark grey coat and black mane and tail.
Guest Anonymous December 25, 2015 December 25, 2015 Ethically it is certainly easier. Say, for instance you decide to destroy your tulpa. If it is only an illusion, why not? What about your tulpas desires? If it is an illusion, their real desires and happiness are only a figment, so not much to lose sleep over. Note: I choose to treat Melian as a real person, even though I consider her imaginary. Therefore, I am kind of in the middle on this.
nivereno December 25, 2015 December 25, 2015 Ethically it is certainly easier. Say, for instance you decide to destroy your tulpa. If it is only an illusion, why not? What about your tulpas desires? If it is an illusion, their real desires and happiness are only a figment, so not much to lose sleep over. Note: I choose to treat Melian as a real person, even though I consider her imaginary. Therefore, I am kind of in the middle on this. How do you know your identity is not a dillusion? How do you know its ok for one identity to destroy the other? Stuff? Neuroscience and psychology are just not advanced enough to have propper ethiks for stuff like that. Shade is the tulpa, [stuff]=her. Her form is: pegasus mlp pony with dark grey coat and black mane and tail.
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