Forcing ideas which would work better?

[TheShadowKnight134]

Okay so I had two ideas on how to help me with the creation of my tulpa. 1 is to write a story about her with me in it interacting and stuff. 2 write about as if I had already having succeeded at creating a fully developed tulpa.

 

Method 1 feels like a way to give more attention to my tulpa. Basically an alternative way to force.

 

Method 2 seems like a way to sort of tricking my mind into thinking I've already succeeded and by doing so, making it a reality.

 

My question is, which method would be better to use?

[J.Iscariot]

I don't really think that placebo would work very well in this. It would just be self-deception to your mind. In reality, you cannot really trick your mind, you can make it believe that, say, a rock you place under your pillow is providing you with the power to LD, but you can't trick it in a way that you can pull off stuff that's way ahead of you.

 

People often forget how big a tulpa really is. While it's not apparent on the surface, tulpas also have their own psychological complexes, and it takes such a long while to get that done; it develops over time with the tulpa, their dreams, ambitions and hopes. You can't make a tulpa that will act in consistency within a few days because development occurs over a much longer scale of time, a development that needs to take place slowly and steadily.

 

Placebo was originally coined as a term in medicine more than it was used to designate stuff like self-deception. I met someone who had hypnotized himself once, he had a tulpa... for a while, until she just disappeared. There are quite a few people who come on this place, and leave after a few days because they thought they had a tulpa but their tulpa never talked back after a few days. Those same people tend to have psychological problems such as body dysphoria, gender uncertainty, depression, bipolarity, detachment of sense of identity and, progressively, reality. People don't tell you that they have issues in their heads because they don't want you to know, they don't want people to think that they're some kind of crazy (which they are not, just disturbed is all) person. It does not mean that they have no mental health problems.

 

It's like saying that you can trick your mind into thinking that you've had a baby, as a woman. While you could experience some symptoms of pregnancy (not actual symptoms but you get it), it wouldn't mean you are actually pregnant, as biological conception requires more than just thought. And tulpas also require more than just thought. This community does not, absolutely does not really know how tulpas are exactly formed (nor do I for reference). We force and do wonderland stuff, but the former can come off as ambiguous and the latter could be considered active imaginary self-deception.

 

I'm not saying this because of how it affects me. It doesn't. But you need to know what you are capable of and the virtues of patience. At the end of the day, you could reject all the things I just said and it wouldn't matter to you and me. Tulpamancy requires patience, if you trick your mind to believe that you 'have' a tulpa, it won't mean you have a tulpa, that's not how placebo works. I don't even think that writing about it would work considering that writing is different from how ACTUAL PLACEBO functions overall. It won't make it a reality it would just make it a form of self-deception if you do succeed, but that's just my opinion and I could be wrong, so there's no need to get riled up over the things I said.

 

Method 1 might work, try it out.

[TheShadowKnight134]

I missed your posts... -sniffles-

 

Joking aside I see what you mean but I didn't mean it like a placebo effect. I was kinda thinking it would work in the sense "if you believe you can do it, you can" basically reinforcing that idea.

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An example would be like an old archery saying. "Imagine making the shot 1000 times in your head and you won't miss." of course it's an exaggeration but I thought the same principle would apply

[J.Iscariot]

The 'if you believe you can do it, you can' ideal is one that promotes self-confidence and empowerment more than it allows for anything else. When I was still a kid in hs I was pretty bad and I had official exams, I would stand in front of a glass and say things like 'you can do it, you're smart, you're hard-working and those exams will be easy', I didn't believe I was any intelligent back then, and still don't, but I needed that motivation to keep going, and eventually I passed, if I stayed in a negative mindset, I would have never done it and I'd have flunked my year. Imagine making the shot 1000 times in your head on the actual neurological level won't do you much good because you're going to need to develop the actual muscle memory in the real world to get used to doing archery, what it WILL do though is give you the confidence to accomplish that and not miss, it's not that you won't miss magically, you're just going to be way more confident, focus on the shot, put doubts aside and just do it in the heat of the moment.

 

What I mean is that this type of ideologies is beneficial if you need motivation, the way you put it made it sound like you wanted to trick/convince your brain you had a tulpa. If you write about how you found a magical rock that allows for you to lucid dream, your brain won't buy into it because you're writing it out with the thought in mind that it is fake, but raw thoughts that are directed at nothing, and everything, work with lucid dreaming, it's like training wheels, it does not accomplish anything aside from helping your brain get to lucid dreaming. I think that it won't work because a tulpa is, at least to me, much much bigger than something you can convince your brain you're having, a tulpa is a pretty complex being to me but I'm probably taking this elsewhere so I'll stop.

[Guest Anonymous]

My host and I believe it doesn't matter if you are deceiving yourself with a "placebo effect." If you get something that seems to be a tulpa to you, then it is a tulpa. Whatever method works best for you is perfect. I kinda personally like the story idea the best though with method 1.

[TheShadowKnight134]

So imma let my poll keep running and hope for a general majority view. So far out of 3 people though. 2 think method 1 is better approach.

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Personally I do like method 1 but I question it's effectiveness somewhat.

[Temar]

Heh. Soulbonding aside, my system is, essentially, entirely literary forced, so let's see if I can add my two cents here.

 

Okay so I had two ideas on how to help me with the creation of my tulpa. 1 is to write a story about her with me in it interacting and stuff. 2 write about as if I had already having succeeded at creating a fully developed tulpa.

 

I gotta ask: what's the difference between these two?

 

To write a story about someone, you have to give them traits, form, and all those kinds of things before you start. Nothing wrong with that, of course. Lots of tulpamancers start with form and traits, and my own host does find that writing things out solidifies those traits in a way that just imagining them does not.

 

But then you get to the core of what makes a story, and that is the plot. A plot, essentially, is a series of scenarios you put the characters through, and, judging by the traits you give them, you try to figure out how they'd react or what they'd say. Do this again, and again, and the picture of that character's personality solidifies to the point of being able to react without you having to think about it. Reacting to stimuli becomes a subconscious process, and that builds into something that has its own apparent consciousness and self-awareness.

 

This, essentially, is the basis of authors soulbonding their characters. I'd think it'd be similar with tulpas, assuming you don't assign them a fictional backstory, but the line is pretty blurry, tbh.

 

Anyway, no matter what, when you're forcing through stories, you're pretty much assuming an autonomy that your headmate-to-be doesn't have yet. You're essentially puppeting and parroting them as if they were sentient before they are. Not saying that's bad; it'd be pretty hypocritical if I did! ;) I'm just saying that, either way, the action is pretty much the same, even if you're approaching it from two different angles of thought.

 

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean. Feel free to correct and clarify, yeah?

 

...and the latter could be considered active imaginary self-deception.

 

So... placebo effect? ;)

 

I kid, but I think there is an element of placebo effect in how some (though not all) tulpae are formed. You know all the "when something happens, assume it's your tulpa" advice over in the guides? That's essentially application of placebo effect. "Believe it until it becomes true, even if it's not." So yeah, while you're right in that it does take a lot of time and dedication, placebo effect can be used effectively for this sort of thing.

 

Though it does kinda beg the question: if you know you're tricking yourself into thinking the tulpa's real, can the trick actually work? Cause, uh, being cognizant of the placebo is pretty much exactly what negates it. Just saying.

 

 

The 'if you believe you can do it, you can' ideal is one that promotes self-confidence and empowerment more than it allows for anything else.

 

True for most things, but belief has a lot of power when it comes to the mind. See the placebo effect and hysterical pregnancies examples you mentioned, right? There are complexities, of course, but the fact that tulpamancy is so subjective and so contained within the mind means that things that affect the mind only--such as belief--can have actual, palpable effect.

 

But then, you already know how I think about belief and everything, so eh. I don't feel the need to go into a big thing about it again. :)

 

ShadowKnight, my advice is to do whichever one sounds more fun to you. This is your forcing time, so pick whichever one motivates you more. And hey, if one doesn't work (within a few months, I mean; you gotta give it time), you can always switch to the other.

[TheShadowKnight134]

Well it looks like method 1 won

[Guest Anonymous]

Hurray! Have fun!