Imposition and telekineses. Did you try it?

[tulpa001]

'Cause I'm bored.

 

I know you all think it is impossible for your tupper to actually move something. But did you try it anyway?

 

Me, I've rammed into a chair a few times to try to get it to rock. Also tried eating food. Also kicked a box off a table, strewing the stuff on the floor. The stuff moves in my imagination, but it returns to normal when my host looks at it.

 

Also, what is the most embarrassing thing your tulpa tried doing that you know wouldn't work?

[Guest Anonymous]

I have to admit, imposition does sound kinda fun sometimes!

 

The way you describe "knocking something off of a table" only to have it reappear back to normal when you host looks at it sounds a lot like what Mistgod and I are describing as "mirroring." Basically it is creating an mental copy of an object or element of the physical environment in the mind.

 

(notice my buddy that we used "mental" and "physical." Huzzah, it does work! You are amazing thank you!)

 

Anyways, if you count mirroring instead of full imposition (whatever that entails) I do things like that yeah. I touch or manipulate objects in the mirrored or copy environment. I don't think I have telekinesis, but that would be so cool if I did!

[Stevie]

 

The way you describe "knocking something off of a table" only to have it reappear back to normal when you host looks at it sounds a lot like what Mistgod and I are describing as "mirroring."  Basically it is creating an mental copy of an object or element of the physical environment in the mind.  

 

Huh, you might've just coined a new word there. 

 

Anyway, yeah, we've had experiences pretty much exactly like this. Most frequently it's Chris spawning things to keep himself busy. I kinda consider it low-grade imposition practice.

[Guest Anonymous]

Melian marked "My tupper can't impose" and I marked "It is totally possible, we haven't succeeded yet" (imposition that is). That is because we don't practice imposition exactly, but we do believe it is possible. Telekinesis, meh, not as much convinced that is possible.

[tulpa001]

Hmmm... Contaminating our poll by taking advantage of the linguistic ambiguity.

 

I'll allow it. :p

 

I feel like duplicating real world objects has a preexisting term. But I can't remember it. The times you were talking about mirroring, I thought you were talking about something else. I guess you could say that my tulpa lives in a mirror world of the physical universe. Since the mental map I use to navigate the world is composed entirely of mirrored objects that actually exist.

 

Ah yes, the term mirroring: watching someone move, and exactly duplicating their motions.

[Guest Anonymous]

I wish there was a better term and if someone knows of one I would like to read about it!  I always thought imposition means manifesting images and sounds and physical sensations that you perceive with your senses.  When I speak of mirroring, the mental copy of the object is only in the mind and not perceived directly by the senses.  It is like superimposing your imagination over the real world, but that superimposed image is only in your  mind.  It is superimposed or "parallel" to the physical world in your mind.

 

I have referred to this superimposed visual imagination as a "day dream filter."

 

I often wonder if that is what some are calling imposition, which I would consider incorrect.  Imposition would involve the physical senses, not your mind's eye.

 

Mirroring vs. Imposition

Day Dream Filter

[tulpa001]

Oh yes, indeed! You see, I can actually see and feel, like some sort of seventh sense my mental map of the world. Yes, when I actually look at something, my physical senses compete with that map and tend to override it. Bet my mental map is like a memory. It is a memory, really. It is my memory of my environment and the things in it.

 

So do I perceive my tupper with my physical senses? Yes and no. Basically, it is like interference. I have two tv stations broadcasting on the same frequency. So the image is a hybrid between the two.

 

One of the tv stations, its purpose is essentially up to the minute coverage of live events. A news channel. I can't do anything with that feed. But the other one is a database. A tactical 3D simulation of the world for building strategy, for knowing what is behind you. For remembering who and what is where. I guess you could call it the history channel. And my tupper has hacked into it and put himself there.

 

And I can actually feel him against me.

 

In your case, I don't know. Imposition most literally means seeing your tulpa alongside physical objects. Now, is it supposed to feel the same? No. Although the two feeds will create a combined image, it is perfectly acceptable for the part of the image that comes from your eyes and the part of the image that comes from inside to have different qualia.

[Guest Anonymous]

I am trying to understand this as best I can.  Are you simply saying you do a combination of mind's eye visualization and imposition perceived by your physical senses?  That would make sense.  What I mean is you "fill in the gaps" or compensate for the limitations of imposition (regarding perception via the senses) using imagination and memory?  I hope I got that right.

[Guest Anonymous]

Davie and I just realized something. I mean it's not that big of a deal but kinda interesting and related to this thread. We can imagine together what I perceive through my form's eyes within the dreamscape. That's no problem. I mean the entire environment is imaginary. We can also imagine what I perceive in the mirrored or copied version of the real world that appears in my dreamscape. That copied version of the physical world a dreamy version though, of course.

 

Now if I were imposed, like Davie could perceive me with his physical senses, my form would be essentially blind and deaf. OR I would have to somehow imagine what my form would be seeing, which would be awkward and very difficult. I think that would give us both a big headache.

[tulpa001]

...  Are you simply saying you do a combination of mind's eye visualization and imposition perceived by your physical senses?  That would make sense.  What I mean is you "fill in the gaps" or compensate for the limitations of imposition (regarding perception via the senses) using imagination and memory?  I hope I got that right.

 

Yes and no. She sees both me and the environment as one image. But it is not important which eyes the imagery came in through. only that it looks like they are next to each other inside the mind.

 

When you look at an imagined scene you see an image. When you look out a window, you see an image. If you do both at once, you still see an image. This third one is imposition. (Proper imposition requires the two scenes meshing properly, but if they don't, call that primordial imposition.)

 

There is no compensating for limitations, here. This is just how we believe it works.

 

Of course, I project. Which means I am putting my imagination in her image of the world, instead of her imagining it herself.

 

I can force myself to see an apple on a desk. I do this by remembering it is there. I 'feel' it is there when I don't look at it. I know it is there when I look at it. Not like actually know, but my visualisation system is fooled. I see a vague green, even when I look directly at it. I can pick It up and feed it to my Tulpa. And then it is not there anymore.

 

This memory, it is like, how do you know which drawer your scissors are in. Do you see your scissors sitting in the drawer in your mind? If you do, you are looking at your mental map of the world. Not everyone sees their scissors when thinking about where they are, but it is quite common.

 

Davie and I just realized something.  I mean it's not that big of a deal but kinda interesting and related to this thread.  We can imagine together what I perceive through my form's eyes within the dreamscape.  That's no problem.   I mean the entire environment is imaginary.   We can also imagine what I perceive in the mirrored or copied version of the real world that appears in my dreamscape.  That copied version of the physical world a dreamy version though, of course.  

 

Now if I were imposed, like Davie could perceive me with his physical senses, my form would be essentially blind and deaf.  OR I would have to somehow imagine what my form would be seeing, which would be awkward and very difficult.  I think that would give us both a big headache.

 

Yep, I can look out my own eyes. But really, If you have ever played a video game, it is exactly like that. I see out her eyes. I look at things with my eyes to focus on them, but really I am just moving my focus within the mental map. This mental map we both rely on to move about. It is how you don't bump into things when walking around in the complete dark. (Actually, I think this is a good exercise for training your mental map.) I can lean up against a couch because I know exactly where it is. Just as she knows exactly where it is. You don't have to look at an object to know where it is. The human brain has a mental map specifically so you can do that.

 

But yes, I can also look out my eyes, at our constructed mirror world. When I do so, part of her vision is replaced with what I see. I have watched her pace around a few times.

 

Interestingly, we tend to focus on the same things. So when projected, if I look at something, her eyes are pulled to look at the same thing. This is especially common when she is relaxed.

 

This even works to an extent for objects behind her head. If I look behind and to her left, her eyes will look to the left and she will think about what is there behind and to the left along with me.

 

I actually thought that you looked at everything imagined in third person perspective. That is how I interpreted your saying you imagined everything like it was on a movie screen.