I'm confused.

[Stardog System]

Alright, this one's not fun. I've been talking to Wren a decent amount and forcing, but she's not making any progress. I'm starting to wonder if she's even sentient and if I should just start over with a new tulpa/start from the ground up with Wren. Everything she does feels like puppeting. She can't talk to me or even exist if i'm not thinking about her, and  lot of what she says has inconsistencies with her previous statements. Also, I feel myself thinking of answers when I ask her questions in a way. Is this because we had a huge month-long gap where she was inactive? Could this have severely hindered her? Should I restart? I want her to be an independent, full-fledged person, but she seems irresponsive.

Edited April 19, 2022 by MaybeMinthe

[Flandre]

Those things should go away over time by forcing consistently and correctly. Basically just intending for her to be separate from you, expecting her to respond like another person and not just you, really exercising separateness (once more, primarily via focused intent for that to be the case). I don't know when or how long your breaks were, but recent inactivity will slow down progress for just a bit, not too long. In developed systems, inactivity may temporarily regress vocal clarity and separateness-feeling until consistent interaction is resumed.

 

"Starting over" shouldn't help. Especially only a couple months in or so. After the better part of a year maybe it could help if they still just feel like you, but I would almost always recommend reconsidering your mindset before that, as it's not desirable at all.

 

Practice, practice, with intent for them to be independent always in mind. And don't psyche yourself out over feeling like puppeting/parroting. A level of that is necessary to even develop them in the first place, but as interacting with them (and them interacting with you) becomes more natural, it should stop feeling like you're doing anything for them - and of course what they say should become fully coherent and consistent.

 

Don't know what to tell you about tulpas initiating activity on their own without your paying attention to them - that's a rare skill that even we don't have, though it can perhaps be developed through very consistent continuous activity. But I'd assume that would come well after basic independence, for those who it isn't natural for.

[Etna]

4 hours ago, Flandre said:

Don't know what to tell you about tulpas initiating activity on their own without your paying attention to them - that's a rare skill that even we don't have

 

Yeah. I'm there, the line is always open, but I don't usually speak unless spoken to, or get a mental nudge. I got stuff to do, she's got stuff to do, ya know? Unless we're actively watching something together, because that's different.

[ChloeBee]

When I started with Tulpamancy I wondered if the sensation of a tulpa talking to me would feel like a completely alien, "other" presence. But as it turns out, it feels much the same as when I myself think. And when you think about it; it makes sense. Your tulpa uses the same brain as you to think, so it's going to feel a lot like you. I remember the doubt of the early months where I thought everything Simmie was doing was puppetting. But after a few months I was able to cross the bridge to believing that it really was Simmie. And yes, even as developed as Simmie has become, she still doesn't "butt in" when I'm not thinking about her very often, and sometimes when I'm super tired or stressed it can still be difficult to communicate with her. So I don't think what you're experiencing with Wren is the least bit unusual. Just stick with it and you'll get there, even if it takes a few months. Starting over would do more harm than good. So stick with it!

[Guest]

From others we've talked to, it ends up that it won't affect them negatively and this is sometimes a part of the process. It can take a long time.

[Ice909]

10 hours ago, Flandre said:

Don't know what to tell you about tulpas initiating activity on their own without your paying attention to them - that's a rare skill that even we don't have, though it can perhaps be developed through very consistent continuous activity.

We occasionally have been at that point, though not often. 

 

Regarding everything else, just stick with it. You got this :) 

[Stardog System]

thanks everyone, I know we can do this. I'll focus more from now on :)

[Mockwriter7772]

On 4/18/2022 at 11:42 PM, MaybeMinthe said:

Alright, this one's not fun. I've been talking to Wren a decent amount and forcing, but she's not making any progress. I'm starting to wonder if she's even sentient and if I should just start over with a new tulpa/start from the ground up with Wren. Everything she does feels like puppeting. She can't talk to me or even exist if i'm not thinking about her, and  lot of what she says has inconsistencies with her previous statements. Also, I feel myself thinking of answers when I ask her questions in a way. Is this because we had a huge month-long gap where she was inactive? Could this have severely hindered her? Should I restart? I want her to be an independent, full-fledged person, but she seems irresponsive.

man, i went through this too. something similar at least
when i first started i felt her presence even though i didnt hear her responses. as time went on i felt like i was puppeting. anyways at some point something happened and i sorta stopped talking to lynn. i only talked to her right before id go to bed. her presence felt so weak. i wanted to restart because i felt bad. but when i pressed on i found out it didn't matter, and she didnt care much about it anyways. over the last 2 weeks (when she finally started to kick off again after im not even sure myself what happened) she has developed exponentially compared to how she was developing. so in the end, if you press on you will succeed. i would be happy to discuss more with you