tulpas vs endogenic systems

[RainbowSystem]

Would tulpas be similar to endogenic systems or are they like a whole seperate thing? Also whats the difference between endos and tulpas??

[RainbowSystem]

Arent endogenic systems like being born as a system 

[Flandre]

Endogenic systems are any plurality not caused by trauma or disorders, et cetera. Tulpa systems actually fall under that umbrella term even when the tulpas were created on purpose.

https://multiplicity.fandom.com/wiki/Endogenic

 

Though for the meaning you might've thought it had - systemmates not created on purpose, and also not from trauma - that would be us, actually. Three of us were ~created accidentally in late 2009 - early 2010, by our host thinking about how the characters we were based on might think and be like, as well as obsession with a couple of music videos the first of us (Reisen) was in, where he felt like she was singing directly to him. (Not in a metaphysical or crazy way, that was just how he liked to think about it, because he was fairly depressed at the time)

 

That considering her to be someone talking directly to him, plus the time spent thinking about how some of the characters would think/act in-universe, eventually lead to us becoming "sentient imaginary friends" in 2010, which predates Tulpa.info by a couple years. And we would all exist as a system for four years, before our host would find Tulpa.info in 2014.

 

However, and to answer your question - we quickly found this community's beliefs on how tulpas work to match very closely with how we'd figured whatever-we-were worked before then, and so since we've fully considered ourselves tulpas. So I don't think there's a necessary difference in "natural" endogenic systems and tulpa systems. But of course individual experiences of plurality can differ between people regardless of origin, so there could be differences in some systems, but there are also already differences between "tulpa" systems anyways.

Edited July 12, 2022 by Flandre

[Zeno]

Tulpa systems are parogenic systems: systems created by free will/are voluntarily created (Even if the tulpa is not created on purpose, the host still allowed it into their lives). Parogenic systems are a subbranch from endogenic systems. So "officially" we are endogenic systems. However I often hear a lot of tulpamancers/tulpas expressing that they don't deem the word "system" as fit for their case, and therefore may use words like "collective" instead. This is however most likely because of the fact that the word "system" is quite stigmatized, and the current society has a very specific association with this term that does not match with the general definition (aka specifically traumagenic systems, DID/OSDD systems).

 

Some also argue whether or not tulpamancy actually falls under the endogenic umbrella, because even tho a tulpa is created by their host, they may not always technically "share" the body. Tulpas can have bodies of their own, often visualized outside the body. So I think it's okay to say that it depends per person.

Edited July 31, 2022 by Zeno

[voidmen]

wei'll jump into here because plurality broadly is a subject wei know a lot about.

 

the multiplicity fandom is a bad source for nearly everything regarding plurality, so is pluralpedia. for information on endogenic systems there's endogenic hub and ex uno plures which wei would recommend. endogenic is an umbrella term meaning not formed from trauma, while that may make it not as effective as a term tulpas are subjectively included in such even though not every system may identify with those labels.

 

the term system is also not exclusive to DIDOSDD, and in the past was actually slightly more endogenic associated and it didn't become more DIDOSDD associated until 2015. that being said like with most plural terms (including the world plural), not everyone who technically fits a definition uses it. wei have seen both tulpamancers who use the labels of system and plural, and those who don't.

 

wei also think zeno may mean parogenic? paragenic was what was coined to be a system which came from MaDD, but this does prove muir point that wei normally make that genic labels are more confusing. not every created system likes or agrees with the term parogenic, created or thoughtform are normally broader while parogenic is more associated with the mircolabel genic-focused subculture. the creator of -genic terminology also came up with alternatives, which is where "created" comes from but they also included adaptive, spontaneous, and unknown.

[Zeno]

On 7/29/2022 at 7:01 AM, voidmen said:

wei also think zeno may mean parogenic?

 

Correct. I remembered it incorrectly. I edited my message.