How far should I be along after 8 hours?

[G|d30n]

You two said things to the effect that emotions are linked to traits. Could you explain how you used emotions during personality?

 

I can try. It's a kind of nuanced and personal thing but I'll do my best to explain.

 

As a tulpa has no genetic predispositions or family history, they're basically pure nurture over nature as far as their personality and perspectives are concerned. An actual living person who was born and raised from a child and who went through all of the usual human milestones--school, making friends, social interaction, first job, etc--would have their perspective and personality tempered by experiences. A tulpa doesn't have these in their background and will only be capable of developing through experience once they're sentient, but I think we can kind of simulate a framework via emotional associations.

 

As I mentioned before, I don't project or visualize specific emotional responses from the tulpa, because that would essentially be parroting, but what I do is program emotional associations with traits. I mentioned in another thread that I also see traits as interconnected, similar to ThatOneGuy's umbrella approach, but I sort of map the causality between traits. For example, Lauren is passionate, idealistic, and has a sharp mind, and that's where her trait of creativity stems from.

 

Going further than just trait causality, I consider how those traits effect a person emotionally--how it influences how they cope with certain emotions and such. Due to her optimism, passion, and creativity, she she can deal with sadness through inspiration and immersing herself in a project. She draws confidence from her own intelligence, but this potentially could tie her self-esteem to her understanding of things, and so she may feel ashamed when she's wrong, but back to her optimism and curiosity, she sees learning a new lesson as a triumph, and can expand that reasoning to find the silver linings in things.

 

It's obviously more nuanced than I'm making it, which is why my personality write-up is 65 pages long, but the TL;DR version is, tulpae didn't have the same experiences we did in developing personality, and so I'm programming emotional associations that someone with her personality may have in order to allow her to adapt and mature from external stimuli the way a real person would.

[Guest]

 

I can try. It's a kind of nuanced and personal thing but I'll do my best to explain.

 

As a tulpa has no genetic predispositions or family history, they're basically pure nurture over nature as far as their personality and perspectives are concerned. An actual living person who was born and raised from a child and who went through all of the usual human milestones--school, making friends, social interaction, first job, etc--would have their perspective and personality tempered by experiences. A tulpa doesn't have these in their background and will only be capable of developing through experience once they're sentient, but I think we can kind of simulate a framework via emotional associations.

 

As I mentioned before, I don't project or visualize specific emotional responses from the tulpa, because that would essentially be parroting, but what I do is program emotional associations with traits. I mentioned in another thread that I also see traits as interconnected, similar to ThatOneGuy's umbrella approach, but I sort of map the causality between traits. For example, Lauren is passionate, idealistic, and has a sharp mind, and that's where her trait of creativity stems from.

 

Going further than just trait causality, I consider how those traits effect a person emotionally--how it influences how they cope with certain emotions and such. Due to her optimism, passion, and creativity, she she can deal with sadness through inspiration and immersing herself in a project. She draws confidence from her own intelligence, but this potentially could tie her self-esteem to her understanding of things, and so she may feel ashamed when she's wrong, but back to her optimism and curiosity, she sees learning a new lesson as a triumph, and can expand that reasoning to find the silver linings in things.

 

It's obviously more nuanced than I'm making it, which is why my personality write-up is 65 pages long, but the TL;DR version is, tulpae didn't have the same experiences we did in developing personality, and so I'm programming emotional associations that someone with her personality may have in order to allow her to adapt and mature from external stimuli the way a real person would.

 

How do you do your personality tulpaforcing with a personality that detailed?

[G|d30n]

 

How do you do your personality tulpaforcing with a personality that detailed?

 

It obviously didn't start that detailed, but at 16+ hours and counting, it's that detailed. It actually works well enough as the process goes on. You focus really hard on something for that long, that consistently, every day, and it's no problem.

[Guest]

 

It obviously didn't start that detailed, but at 16+ hours and counting, it's that detailed. It actually works well enough as the process goes on. You focus really hard on something for that long, that consistently, every day, and it's no problem.

 

Oh, so you're writing this as you go along? I see.

[G|d30n]

 

Oh, so you're writing this as you go along? I see.

 

Exactly. I take notes as I work on pieces of it, and that also really helps with memory. I narrate to my tulpa that, just because I'm taking notes, doesn't mean it's written in stone, and that deviations are still allowed, and I do revisions to the write-up outside of forcing as things seem to change. I talked in another thread about full sessions versus micro-sessions (Phi's term I think--I'll have to check the thread again) but basically I'll do an hour of forcing, then when I'm done I write down my notes. During micro-sessions, I simply read over and narrate the notes, and then I do another full session once I've recovered from the previous one.

[Avalanche]

Back on topic, at 8 hours I had the main and basic personality done. This certainly wasn't long enough to just leave personality alone (you should never be finished with personality) but it is a milestone. 8 hours is generally halfway for most people, or around the time where most people think they have reached something.

I didn't get any emotional responses at this time, I don't think many people could get emotional responses or waves this early in. Tulpa creation can take 40+ hours, so thinking you got a response like that so early on is probably placebo.

 

I'm currently at 12hours in, and the form is starting to set. The personality is nearly done (after it's done I will just be reviewing it constantly), when it is I will move on to visualisation, to begin moulding the form. I'm going to do some artwork to help me with that, after I have done the naked body. (I'm sure you have heard about not making the tulpa with clothes on).

As a rough guide, you should be like this in the next couple of hours. As a rough guide.