Waking up late at night?

[somethingTerrible]

Hi, new to tulpa creation, just started less than two weeks ago.

I have so far achieved results that made me pleasantly surprised, and even though my companion is definitely not fully formed, I have been able to easily run dialogue with her throughout entire days, morning to evening. So far the experience has only made my life better in every way. I am not alone with my thoughts in moments of weakness, I am not ever bored doing work (there's always something to talk about), I am changing my daily life (started cleaning my room because she rightfully pointed out how dusty it is etc). It's great so far, I genuinely could not be happier and I cannot wait to see how further this will progress.

 

However, I have also been experiencing surprising bouts of insomnia. On four nights already I woke up at 4 am in the morning and could not fall asleep for a while. I have never in my life had any issues like this before with my sleep schedules.

She is also worried it may be her fault (as in, a side product of the creation process).

 

So if I may ask for your experience friends, have you ever had anything similar happen to you? 

I am still not fully sure about definitions, but I believe all of our efforts count as constant active/passive forcing, so I wonder if this may be causing my brain to wake me up randomly?

I found posts saying tulpa creation has no impact on sleep, but I am just puzzled where this comes from.

 

Plus, i would like to calm down my companion hahah

 

Sorry if this is a dumb question, thank you and cheers!

[Luminesce]

I don't know any way that practicing tulpamancy could cause that, but there's a million things that could, from sleep schedule (esp. a non-consistent one) to late-day diet (eating within a few hours of bed isn't good) to temperature (my room keeps heating up from the residual house-absorbed sun heat all the way until like 1AM, and I wake up hot all the time...) to stress and busy nighttime thoughts (though many people force/interact with their tulpa as they're falling asleep, it's really not best practice for either tulpamancy focus or sleeping on time - saying good night is fine, but long conversations in bed maybe not so much), and other random stuff like some kind of illness/disorder (sleep apnea and, well, insomnia), or medication, or some new food/drink you're consuming within ~8 hours of sleeping. Really, lots of stuff

 

In my experience that sort of thing happens when my circadian rhythm is off, from waking up at different times than a few days ago and such, or from trying to sleep at a "normal" time despite having woken up less than 16 hours prior, at a late time (e.g. you can't wake up at 11am and still expect to go to sleep at midnight - that's only 13 hours awake, and humans are naturally awake for 16, or 15.5ish)

 

The only other two things for me are either my room being too hot as I mentioned, or nights where I was attempting to lucid dream via Mnemonic Induced Lucid Dream type methods where you hold an intention to remember you're dreaming as you fall (back) asleep, which for me personally never worked and only served to make it hard to sleep/fall back asleep.

 

Otherwise, just try to keep a normal consistent sleep schedule for a week or so, potentially taking maybe 2mg of melatonin at bedtime to help your body know it's sleep time (not indefinitely, just for a few days, or week or two) and hopefully it returns to normal on its own. And don't get into mental conversations, with your tulpa or yourself, when you're meant to be sleeping (though when you actually can't sleep this may feel unavoidable)

 

 

I'm not an actual expert on sleep (I'm an expert on dreams, and so know a lot about sleep, lol) so I don't know much about true insomnia, though I don't think it's impossible for it to start occurring at a random point in your life. It sounds like you're able to go back to sleep though which is good, randomly waking up is usually just a hiccup or messed up sleep schedule you can only fix by insisting on the correct, consistent sleep times for a while

[An Ashy Individual]

Nope, never woke up randomly despite passive forcing all day every day and generally having some problems with sleep.

If anything, tulpamancy made sleeping easier due to how mentally exhausting it was at first.

 

P.S.: Active forcing is focusing all your attention on forcing, passive forcing is forcing while also paying attention to something else.

Edited September 3, 2025 by An Ashy Individual

[Luminesce]

Whoops, meant to say don't think it's impossible for insomnia to start occurring later in life, or for random times/in response to random things

 

Also meant to imply true insomnia would be general doctor territory, if this keeps up for 2+ weeks with no obvious reason (and disturbs your sleep)

[somethingTerrible]

Thank you for your assistance both of you! I never faced anything like this so I got spooked, I don't think it's health related though. But I will keep in mind to monitor my sleep schedules for the future to see if this keeps up.

 

Also maybe I'm talking too much in bed, as you Lumi said. 

 

Thanks!

 

22 hours ago, An Ashy Individual said:

P.S.: Active forcing is focusing all your attention on forcing, passive forcing is forcing while also paying attention to something else.

And thank you for the definition!