Tulpas and Hypnagogic Imagery?

[Wh33lzman]

I just came up with a neato concept about Tulpas, however I bet a couple people don't know what hypnagogic imagery is, so let's slow down a sec. Hynagogic imagery is experienced when attempting to WILD, WILD is a lucid dreaming technique, lucid dreaming is when you are aware of the fact that you are dreaming. WILD stands for Wake Induced Lucid Dream, it involves transitioning from awake to sleep without losing consciousness. Here's where things get interesting though, partway through, you will begin to hear voices, and perhaps see light patterns in the back of your eyelids, this is your dream taking shape. If you open your eyes during this time you will see things, in the room with you, you can hear them, see them, and feel them, sounds like a tulpa! They're the same thing, a subconscious bieng drifting into the conscious brain, so can we combine hypnagogic imagery and tulpaforcing?

[Guest Anonymous]

I posted a thread like this not too long ago :p

 

Anyway yes, I believe it is very well possible to combine the two (by the way, you don't need to try WILD to experience hypnagogia, I get the voices almost every time I go to bed and I didn't try WILD for probably 2 months now.)

It's probably a lot easier to hear them during that phase, in fact the only 2 times I heard my tulpa was during hypnagogia. At least I think it's plausible that it was her.

Or you could use it for imposition if you get visuals.

 

Is there a specific way you open your eyes? If I try to open them I'll snap right back to reality.

[Wh33lzman]

I've just heard of people attempting WILDS, and opening their eyes when they heard the voices, and then typically being terrified by what they saw, and suffering sleep paralysis, a bad mix. Regardless, my question is, how do we create some sort of hypnogogic/tulpaforcing technique? A very direct way to superimpose a tulpa on the surroundings.

[Guest Anonymous]

So you are interested in imposition?

I would say you would have to develop a certain control over the visuals in order to make your tulpa appear, but I don't get hypnagogic imagery (or I never went far enough to experience it) so I don't know how hard that is going to be. If you already have a fully sentient tulpa it could impose itself, making the process a lot easier.

I suppose for the rest you would just do what you usually do.

[Wh33lzman]

It was more of a curiosity than anything else, I'm certainly not trying something so crazy for my first tulpa, and I've never actually experienced hypnagogic imagery, but it is something I may need to keep in mind for le future

[Jack]

Hypnagogia is your FRIEND when tulpaforcing.

Do not overdo it though, because its friendship will consume you - you will fall asleep.

So, each time you are trying to befriend hypnagogia set an alarm clock beforehand.

Comes in handy.

 

In all seriousness now, hypnagogia DOES help to hear your tulpae, and if you play it right, it can also really help you with visualization.

There is a thread about perfect visualization from the half-sleep state lying around somewhere.

Oh, and those "terrifying visuals" MAY(not necessarily will) appear if you are already (sleep)paralyzed and open your eyes(if you manage to do so, that is), but usually when your body is paralyzed you have much more interesting things to do. Like building sky-castles in your head. Or spend time with your tulpae, building sky-castles toghether.

[susurrus]

I also get hypnagogic dreams some nights and most mornings. The first possible response I received from my tulpa came in a hypnagogic state, just to add to the list of those it's worked for. I haven't seen Andy in any full-on dreams, only those hypnagogic half-asleep dreams. If it wasn't Andy, at the very least, it's given me an idea of what losing your senses is supposed to feel like (if/when we decide to practice switching). The experience was one of the most vivid visualizations of my wonderland, as well.

 

My only problem is wondering whether hypnagogic dreams are different enough from full-on REM sleep to make it easier for a tulpa to manipulate. I still have doubts that the experience I had was just a fluke. Are there any reports from tulpae about dreams? Is it easier for them to enter a hypnagogic dream than a REM dream?

[tania]

I do WILD and I thou I rarely go into the hypnagogia before I WILD, I know from the times I have gotten hypnagogic images is that they cant be controlled and they are completely random, so I'd think they'd be useless for this.

[Guest Anonymous]

Uhm, I just noticed this weekend that when I try to sleep in the car while it's moving I will fall asleep but stop just before completely loosing consciousness, and I'll stay in the perfect visualization state (I guess that's the state I'm in, more or less) indefinitely.

 

Try that out, it might help.